Thin hate and fat hate are not the same. Seriously. - Comments

@ The Zac
No, calling my view stupid is insulting and bashing. Please do not comment on any of my blogs again.

@ little motorkitty;
I'm being honest. Not insulting. I'm not going to sugarcoat my opinion to be nice. The same way I'd hope people would do for me. I have to get ready for work. I'm leaving.

@ The Zac
No, it seems every time you are on my blogs you insult my. Right there you called my views stupid. I'm happy to debate with people but I don't wish to talk to someone who insults my views. So like I've said already, please stop commenting on my blogs.

@ little motorkitty;
If you don't like my opinion don't make your blogs public. Why post something about a dividing issue if you don't want people to disagree? Did you just want people to come here and be like "Omg you're so right you're the best". Sorry but I think you're wrong and you're not getting a pat on the back from me. It's well written, and you seem intelligent. But your views on fat hate are stupid to me.

@ The Zac
I'd appreciate it if you no longer commented on my blogs because I don't particularly like discussing with you as to be honest I find your opinions offensive and these are my blogs and I'd like it if you didn't comment on them.

@ little motorkitty;
Obese people make up a good portion of the medical system. In Australia our medical system is facing all kinds of problems and one of them is obese people taking up resources and staff's time with their conditions that could have been prevented by a decent diet and lifestyle. My tax dollars go to paying for the medical services of this country and I don't like the fact that I'm paying for these people who just didn't feel like looking after themselves. I know overweight people who are decent human beings, one of my best and oldest friends is obese. But to call fat people "oppressed" is a bit much.

Overweight in what sense? According to my BMI I'm overweight, but my bodyfat percentage is low. The BMI cut off in Australia is 33, and I find it hard to believe someone in the military is very overweight considering the workload. I'm in the middle of the recruitment process of the Australian Army, and I know that obese people who don't meet the BMI limit are rejected.

@ The Zac
Fun fact for you: Someone's health has nothing to do with their worth as a human being. And there are plenty of people I know who have terrible health and aren't typically 'good' weight. There's a guy in the army with my brother who'd be considered overweight and I'm pretty sure he could run rings around most 'fit' people. Someones health is their business, not yours and you shouldn't shame people for that.

I know this is old but I just had to comment.

Being oppressed is a big word. There is no way fat people can call themselves oppressed. Black people were oppressed in America. They were beaten, whipped, forced into slavery. Gay people are oppressed. They are bashed, their funerals are protested and they are not given equal rights. That's oppression.

Someone telling you that you should lose weight? That's not a big fucking deal that's health advice. Obesity leads to an insane amount of potential health problems. Being thin and unhealthy is not okay either. In my opinion everyone should strive for good health, and for obese people, that generally means losing weight.

Obesity is a choice. You choose to eat shit and not exercise. Being gay, or a racial minority is not. If fat people feel so oppressed why not get yourself in good health? If thin people are so privileged, why not lose weight? Because it takes a bit of work. I'm sorry but laziness is not an uncontrollable thing.

I may be kind of biased because I'm very into bodybuilding and fitness and take care of myself. What irks me is that it's acceptable to make fun of muscular guys like me and thin people. "You're a meathead", "You're arrogant because you wear tank tops", "You're a showoff at the gym for lifting decent amounts of weight". Or what about thin people "Only a dog wants a bone", "You're anoerexic". But if you even point out someone is obese. All hell breaks loose.

"huurrr duur magazines, fashion industry" blah blah blah. Ignore all that shit. The fact of the matter is that obesity makes you much more susceptible to a wide range of health problems. And you do it to yourself. Unless you're one of those medical anomalies that literally can't lose weight you can do something about it. And don't feed me that "thyroid" or "genetics" bullshit. Sure it might take some work but it's not impossible.

If you eat too much, and exercise too little and let your body go to shit. You are not oppressed.

Women and men* men are bullied too.

You're blatant honesty, this no-bullshit and lack of sugar coating makes this feel really powerful. There was a vibe of raw emotion emanating from this, it felt like utter, almost manic, frustration. I wish more people could have your views, because every person is beautiful (with the exception of some twisted mother fuckers who enjoy raping kids and brutally murdering people, but hey, that's just my opinion), and it's not that this is just bullying, it doesn't stop there. There are discriminatory factors within this as well, and the media seems to only encourage that, which leads to products of biased, ignorant bigots who look down at people for not being a size 5 and below (I'm in the United States, so our size ranges may differ on that). 
I also believe that society has misconstrued the image of fat, chubby, and/or curvy women. I completely agree that we are seen as the epitome of laziness and unadulterated gluttony. 

@ dru saves the songs
Shit, I never thought about that, I will work out how to re-word that point for future complaints immediately.

This seems so obvious and simple but every time I read something like this there's the guaranteed comments stating "but I'm [non-oppressed characteristic] and I get bullied/feel bad about it." As if you hadn't just addressed that in the original post and explained how it's different.

Completely agree with all of this though. The same argument also applies in discussions about racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. and the amount of people who don't understand (or refuse to accept) the differences is just frustrating.

@ The Real Mitt Romney
Well maybe where you are it's not a problem, but here it is. And someone's health is nothing to do with you, and isn't related to how much respect they deserve.

@ Queen Obscene
You don't even have to have a vagina to be a woman. My sister still has the penis she was born with, but she is a woman. I know you didn't intend any trans* discrimination in your statement, but statements like that are trans-exclusive and cis-inclusive and they hurt women who do not fit your criteria.

Well, But people being mean to you is not the same as a socially constructed opressive culture where my body type and body types bigger than mine are constantly held up as undesirable, unhealthy, an epitome of laziness, greed, sloth, gluttony, ugliness that's not entirely true. I mean we have some porn sites that only uses larger women. We have plus size models. We have stores only for people size 12 and up. We also have stores building their size charts up, for example Debs. Not sure if it's there in the UK or not. But maybe that's just something the UK hasn't embraced yet?

"Skinny bodies" are everywhere in media but so are fat bodies.

It seems like you want us to be praised for being fat? That's a little weird if that's what you're trying to say, sorry. If one is overweight at risk for diseases and illnesses; why would we want to praise that? There's nothing wrong with being fat, but if someone is 300 pounds and 4'11 they might want to start losing weight before they come into health complications. And you cannot tell me the whole "Oh I'm so and so height and so and so weight and I don't have any health problems." Yes, right now you might not. But in 10 years you might have diabetes, poor joint health, etc. I'm not doctor so I don't know what exact heath problems affect those overweight, but it's a fact.

Yes I am aware that there is a thing called "skinny diabetes" too.

But what exactly are you trying to say? We should be praised for being fat? Some of those people in the media work their asses off to stay skinny. I mean, they sort of deserve a spot in the limelight for that to begin with because anyone who's overweight knows how hard it is to lose weight, workout, keep a steady calorie intake, etc. but unless they're a model they're only in the limelight for whatever acting/musical production/etc they do. They're not simply in the limelight because they're skinny.

But it's still not the same. Skinny bodies are still everywhere in media, everywhere you look and if you're not skinny, then you're ugly. No, not really. Like I said before: we have plus sized models, porn stars that are praised for their curves, etc.

I've never, not once, been called ugly or fat by anyone. The only person who ever called me it was mad and she's low, but at the time I was 5'1 and 90 pounds so that explains that. No one has ever made fun of me for being fat. It might just be an area thing? I don't know.

Edit: yeah, it probably is just an area thing.

As a "thin" girl I can say that I do not have a flat stomach, flat abs, I have love handles, I think I'm too fat for a bikini, and I have a muffin top in certain jeans. Just because I have some similarities to women in magazines doesn't mean I look just like them either. I still don't feel good enough. I don't get teased for it, but a statement like yours just makes me aware of how apparently all thin girls have washboard abs and flat stomachs. I don't.

I often feel like shit because while those girls in magazines are super thin, they also have ridiculously long legs and waists. I have shorter legs than my mother (who is three inches shorter than me) and I'm incredibly short-waisted. I look nothing like Kate Moss or Kate Upton or Angelina Jolie.

I understand your point, but the way for people to go about changing something about society is not to simply subvert the hate.
The path to body equality is not slogans like "Men like meat, only dogs like bones." or "Real women have curves." because last time I checked it was having a vagina that made you a woman.
I refuse to let these people make me feel guilty or feel less like a woman because my natural size happens to mean you can see my ribs occasionally.

@ Psychotic Secrets
BMI has been widely discredited, it's no longer accepted as an accurate indicator of health because it's just deeply unhelpful.

Amen.

I can't stand when people judge others because what size they are. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so society cannot deem one size to be the prettiest. I have a friend who is deemed "fat" because she is big. I honestly think she is one of the most beautiful girls I've seen. She always is knocking herself down because of her pants size. I have another friend who can't get past the weight of 80 pounds and she is always being made fun of for being "anorexic" even though that girl eats twice as much as I do.

Weight doesn't define a person as a whole. Because someone is big doesn't mean they are pigs and are lazy, it means they are big, that's all. Same with smaller people. The only time weight should be talked about is when it's a health hazard. As in the weight is causing the health hazard. Because I have a friend who is considered obese because of BMI, she went to the doctor to gets tests done. You want to know what? Every test they did she did well in. No diabetes, no heart problems, she was pretty much healthy. That's all that matters, is your health.

It's sickening to see people make fun of others because of their weight. What is there to joke around about? Some people are naturally larger and smaller. Humans aren't the same size, and we aren't meant to be. My cousin is big too, he can't get the weight off. Doctors out him on special diets and nothing has changed. His doctor actually told him some people are just meant to look a certain way.

Which is true. Gosh that is long...I'm sorry. This hits close to home and I can't stand it when people harass others because of their pant sizes.

If you think about it, the type of physical beauty that really is accepted by society is a photoshopped picture of a model whose entire body has been caked in make up prior to the photo shoot. There was an image going arouo on the interwebz of Katy Perry wearing a bikini with no make up or photoshop and you know what? She looks like a normal woman.