A Warning of Sorts to Consider - Comments

@ Haylie Jaed
Haha that's nothing - I have the bodies in the barrels here

Ha ha, right? My friend in Wisconsin watched Wolf Creek and it scared her so much she said she'd never come visit me - even though I live in suburban Sydney!

@ Haylie Jaed
Some have stories I guess but it's different. It's still only used to entertain sexually.

Yessss. I think even if it was coming across as the scene being wrong (ie a rape or something), to describe that in graphic detail with a kid involved would be wrong.

I was looking up cold cases all night Australia is a creepy place lol

I'm pretty sure you're spot on in the sense that to be considered child porn, it would need to be pure smut without a plot. Like with a pornographic film, there's no story - the whole point of the film is to watch two people having sex. (Or so I've been told. I've never actually watched one.)

There would probably be an issue if people were writing graphic sex scenes involving a child, too. Child as in, twelve or younger? Because plot or not, that is dangerous territory.

(Also, serial killers and cold cases are awesome. The crime channel is practically a permanent fixture in my living room.)

@ Fusion Gem Hina
Well according to the law fictional is apparently not fine o.O But I think it's on the intention of the author.

It makes me wonder about an old slash i wrote where a 14 year old boy goes out with a 20 year old musician.... Lol. Oh well.I think as long as it's fictional it's fine because there are tons of stories of underage sex that are written across the web. I even know a website or two from my time of reading some smutty stories late at night...

@ pocahontas.
Lol I think as long as it wasn't like... ugh why is this so hard to explain. Probably because I'm not into child pornography lol. But I mean, I think you'd know if you were reading smut and it was something that one could consider to be child pornography, you know? I think in the same way that if you were looking up porn videos, you could tell when the line was crossed. Like, not just that the video doesn't mention/show proof of the ages of the participants (which would be a sort of gray area if they looked young enough to be underage) but that it sort of glorified the fact that the participants were young, you know? I think that sort of thing can be portrayed in writing and that sometimes, some things really do get very close to the line on that.
The wrongest thing I ever read on Mibba was a story that detailed how to have sex with a dog and I don't even know how the hell that made it onto Mibba. Like it was so fucked upppppp.

Ohhhhh that makes sense Still, it seems like there's a ton of room to fuck up or accidentally read something considered child pornography haha Like I'll probably never read smut again omg & T R U E; my school actually banned it from campus eventually because it turned from reading into a huge-ass distraction

@ pocahontas.
Forgot to @ you.

My interpretation of the law is that it's okay to write about underage people having sex until it comes to a point where that is the main thing going on. Like, it's just a story about minors having sex/performing sexual acts with the intention to be read as something sexy and nothing more. Like I mean just the smut part. Nothing else. The story is supposed to be read as pornography and it involves minors as a means of turning people on, like, because they're young or under-developed or whatever.

I wonder why that's the case I mean obviously schools ban these sorts of books. Maybe it's just generally accepted that as long as kids are reading something, who cares what it is?

Both I suppose - that it's accessible, and there's "child porn" a la teacher/student or even high school relationships or college relationships because one character is 17 or whatever. I should have taken down the titles, they weren't from major publishers I don't believe.

But omg yes! I couldn't buy a non-smutty R-rated movie but I was able to buy 50 Shades (what even), additionally over-the-counter meds (Pamprin, Motrin even) are unable to be purchased by minors here (even at 17). It seems like the world has some wild priorities hahah

@ pocahontas.
You mean that smut is common or child pornography is common in adult fiction you check out? I can't say I've heard of any published works that would constitute as child pornography... it'd cause a big fuss, surely. Though I guess it's actually sort of weird that a kid can walk into a bookstore and purchase something smutty, if that's what you mean? Whole other can of worms. Surely there'd be laws against that... like, books that have been flagged as "do not sell to a minor" sort of like how DVDs are. I mean where I work, I can't even sell plastic knives (like disposable plastic picnic knives) to people under 16 by law and a big message pops up on the screen every time I scan them.

There clearly need to be some laws, or specifications, for authors and their colleagues/fans. Some people read smut because they enjoyed other writing by a particular author. And anyways, what about PUBLISHED books? In California, at least, there's nothing stopping me from checking out or buying adult fiction, where it's common.

@ pocahontas.
I'm a little scared lol. I mean I haven't written anything I'd consider pornographic but boy oh boy have I seen it around. And people have no clue...

I think in something like scenario A that the legal age of consent would be determined as the state the author resides in and nothing to do with the actual characters. But I also think that with a story line like that, it'd be safe and considered a story and nothing much more...

And I think in scenario B you're right; it'd be illegal for that person to read it. I think it'd go by the law in the place where the person that is possibly breaking a law resides.

@ mk ultra
See I think that's okay. I think if it were sexualising a younger person and that was all it was then that'd be wrong, but I also think it'd be really hard to write something like that without feeling dirty about it.
I haven't seen Lolita. I can't understand how a movie that would be promoting a sexual relationship with a minor would get past the screening process, if that's what it's about. But from reading the wiki it's not like, a pornography film, I gather? Like it's got a story. It's not entirely sexual.

I actually know a guy that was dating a 17 year old (he's mid 20s), thinking due to lies from her own parents that she was 19 but then staying with her once he learned the truth. Like??? Get outta there man. It's weird. Kids are kids. Period. I sort of understand the argument from the minor's side of things if they're dating someone much older than they are, believing that they're mature enough for it, or that "age is but a number" etc. but the adult in the situation should back off, at least sexually. I mean, they know better.

I don't think I've ever written about this, although I do remember writing a story where a girl was secretly in love with her older neighbor. But then he died and she went to someone else, who made her realize that it was wrong. I've never written about it in a sexy way because I don't think it's sexy. I really don't get the appeal. I just watched the movie Lolita this morning and I don't get it. Why isn't it considered straight up pedophilia? Why would it be romantic or appealing? I don't understand. It creeps me out how people think that pedophilia is okay if they make it cute and make it seem like the younger person likes it and is mature. First of all, if an underage person liked an older person, it's probably because the child was abused. Secondly, that's sick.

I think in America it would vary by state because the age of consent here varies - I think the youngest is 16, 18 being most common. Honestly I've never even thought of this, of course I delve into reading the whole teacher/student trope and have even written the hs freshman/senior. I feel like I need to re-evaluate and take anything I have up down, or at least cite some laws.

I wonder if there would be a grey area for things like this:
Person A lives in an area where age of consent is 18, so she takes to writing stories set in Australia where AOC is 17. *Harry Styles falls for 17yo fan, they make love, blah blah blah* WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY WRITTEN TO BE REALISTIC OF THE SETTING

Or what about:
Person B lives in an area where age of consent is 18, but she happens upon a really good story where the FMC is 17 - which is the age of consent in AUS, the location of the author. *Harry Styles falls for 17yo fan, they make love, blah blah blah* If the story itself is factually legal, was written legally, is it illegal to read it if you live in an area with a different AOC?