Gay Marriage

  • mayme_moo

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    At the end of the day, you can't choose who you fall in love with or who you are attracted to.
    I am surprised at some streotypes that are still places on gay people and wonder why we bother to critisize.
    People that are gay are just people and just because they are different doesn't mean that they are wrong.
    Most of us on this site are the "misfits" we're the ones who know what its like not to be accepted for what we are.
    Do you want to make other people feel like they can't be them selves just because they are attracted to the same sex?
    February 21st, 2007 at 09:42pm
  • the optimist.

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    Well, marriage is defined as union between a man and a woman, by law, in a church. So really...they can't just get married like that because it violates the system by which marriage is made.

    There'd be controversy not only among the government, but among churches as well. This is where it gets pretty confusing with Separation of Church and state, but that's where they relate since it's defined in both law and religion.

    If it could be allowed without controversy, I'm all for it...but I'm pretty sure we're all aware that's basically impossible. So I am fine with just the fact that some states are now allowing civil union which is the equivalent of marriage.

    Oh, and it pisses me off when people think that gays aren't allowed to marry because of "homophobia" amongst the government. It's not ALL because of homophobia. There's some people who can accept that gays are who they are and there's no changing that. It's more of a problem with the general public throwing a big fit than anything. The way people are these days, I'd hate to see gay marriage legalized for the plain fact that there would probably be mass riots and a lot of dead people.
    February 22nd, 2007 at 08:00pm
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    There was an intersting article on Yahoo today... it's a good read.

    New Jersey allows civil unioins
    February 22nd, 2007 at 08:13pm
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    Well, marriage is defined as union between a man and a woman, by law, in a church. So really...they can't just get married like that because it violates the system by which marriage is made.

    There'd be controversy not only among the government, but among churches as well. This is where it gets pretty confusing with Separation of Church and state, but that's where they relate since it's defined in both law and religion.

    If it could be allowed without controversy, I'm all for it...but I'm pretty sure we're all aware that's basically impossible. So I am fine with just the fact that some states are now allowing civil union which is the equivalent of marriage.

    Oh, and it pisses me off when people think that gays aren't allowed to marry because of "homophobia" amongst the government. It's not ALL because of homophobia. There's some people who can accept that gays are who they are and there's no changing that. It's more of a problem with the general public throwing a big fit than anything. The way people are these days, I'd hate to see gay marriage legalized for the plain fact that there would probably be mass riots and a lot of dead people.
    I agree with you but I feel that it's somewhat unfair that a gay couple can't be married in a church. It might seem impossible, but there are many people out there who are gay and religious and want to be married in churches. I find it really sad, I had someone close to me who was rejected and he had been very religious all of his life, it's crushing that one feature about a person can be so painful. People commit so much sin and they canmarry in a church with no problems but gay people can't. It just seems so wrong.
    February 22nd, 2007 at 09:22pm
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    I agree with you but I feel that it's somewhat unfair that a gay couple can't be married in a church. It might seem impossible, but there are many people out there who are gay and religious and want to be married in churches. I find it really sad, I had someone close to me who was rejected and he had been very religious all of his life, it's crushing that one feature about a person can be so painful. People commit so much sin and they canmarry in a church with no problems but gay people can't. It just seems so wrong.
    Well, consider it this way.
    Sin has nothing to do with whether or not you can marry in a church. Show me where in the Bible it states that you can't marry if you've sinned.
    In the Bible, it says man shall not lay with another man (something to that effect...I don't read the thing, I've just heard it said so many times.) and that sort of thing. It doesn't directly state that they can't marry, but that it's sin to be with someone of the same sex.

    Even the government states marriage is a union between a man and woman. That's just the way it is.
    And I do agree, it is unfair. Gays should be allowed just the same as heterosexual couples.
    I mean, come on, judging someone by their sexual preference is about as bad as judging someone by their race.

    This is why I'd be afraid if gay marriage became legalized all over the country, I think that there would be a lot of problems amongst the general public, especially the extremist side of them in allowing gay couples to marry. I would hate to imagine what would it happen and the thought terrifies the crap out of me.
    February 22nd, 2007 at 10:06pm
  • folie a dru.

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    I'm going to point out the obvious.

    God didn't write the Bible.
    Everything has been lost in multiple translations.
    We have no idea what God wanted Man to write down.
    They wrote what they wanted.
    In the old Testament Man hated the Egyptians who were extremely sexual beings in all ways: heterosexual and homosexual. Orgies weren't uncommon.
    It is possible that the politics of the time came into play when writing the Bible.

    Just remember that Man wrote the Bible.
    And you don't answer to Man.
    You answer to God.

    [If you believe in God.]
    February 23rd, 2007 at 01:42am
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    Even the government states marriage is a union between a man and woman. That's just the way it is.
    And I do agree, it is unfair. Gays should be allowed just the same as heterosexual couples.
    I mean, come on, judging someone by their sexual preference is about as bad as judging someone by their race.
    Wasn't that an amendment or something?
    I don't know though.

    But my view is if it's a religious thing, let the different religions and sects/whateveryoucallems (that's the wrong word) decide for themselves.
    If it's government, keep the religion out of it.
    But that's not gonna happen.
    Well, I'm proud to live in Massachusetts. And hopefully gay marriage is still legal here by the time I want to marry. Because I want to be able to get married, dammit.
    February 23rd, 2007 at 04:10am
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    remake of a classic.:
    Wasn't that an amendment or something?
    I don't know though.

    But my view is if it's a religious thing, let the different religions and sects/whateveryoucallems (that's the wrong word) decide for themselves.
    If it's government, keep the religion out of it.
    But that's not gonna happen.
    Well, I'm proud to live in Massachusetts. And hopefully gay marriage is still legal here by the time I want to marry. Because I want to be able to get married, dammit.
    Um..I don't really remember if I'm honest. It's been a long time since I ever had to study that stuff.
    It's both a religious and a government thing, that's the problem. Government doesn't want to change it but then they use the bible as an excuse...:|
    It's times like that I wanna pull out my hair and say Whatever happened to Seperation of Church and State?
    Screw what the bible says and just make it legal, y'know? But there's more complicated issues with it than that.

    To be honest, I think where I live (Ohio) would be one of the last states to legalize it (IF the whole Country ever has it legalized.)
    February 23rd, 2007 at 04:37am
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    ----------- i am catholic, and personally i think the systems fucked up.
    so a girl loves a girl and a guy loves a guy. why shouldnt they be able to seal theyr love with the sacred act of marriage? a murdere can be forgiven by god for his sins, so why cant a homosexual? which brings me to another point, how can love be a sin? coz thats where this is headed. you love another human, and your frowned upon for it. who really gives a shit if its same sex, if you love someone that much and you are really truly ready to make that sort of commitment to the then FUCK YEAH!! good on ya for being so fucking happy.
    thats what this is about, people are just squeamish, cant stand to see others happy.
    suck it up, deal with it, and when your at home fucking your boyfriends, girlfriends, wives, husbands, whatever, think of how happy they make you. now picture life without them, if they were never yours, you were ashamed of your love, you had 'sinned' or whatever the fuck against 'religeon' (which i admit has been around FOREVER, but god talks about love and treating eachother as equals, well its not fucking equal when you discriminate against someone because they happen to be attracted to someone of the same sex) but get over it, and yourselves...

    note this is NOT an attack on anyone here, its generaly to the government, its Australia and America, and wherever gay marriages are illegal.

    shalisa x
    February 23rd, 2007 at 05:14am
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    Being gay does not define who your are...it's if you think it's right or wrong.
    There is nothing wrong with homosexuals. A guy who loves a guy is not any less different than a guy who loves a woman. A person should have a right to choose between the sexuality.
    If you've ever seen 'The Real World Denver', one of the guys on their is gay and another is a homophobic. They're roomates. The gay guy is genuinly gay and genuinly christian and the homophobe didn't think that anyone could be both of those things at the same time. You can. He goes by what the bible says and like the homosexual said, "The bible says that a man should not lay with another man. But when you go to church and see all the woman that prey without their heads covered, it's not a big deal."
    Homosexuality is not wrong. For some people, it's a way of life.
    And for those of you who are afraid of homosexuals, it's not contagious, so don't be afraid of them.
    February 26th, 2007 at 02:10am
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    "The bible says that a man should not lay with another man. But when you go to church and see all the woman that prey without their heads covered, it's not a big deal."
    Here here! It's already been said, but society just loves a pick-and-choose religion. Homosexuality is frowned upon, but so is slavery. Hooray for hypocrisy.
    February 26th, 2007 at 07:40pm
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    One of the main reasons why homosexuality is frowned upon by Catholics is because it defies one of the two major reasons of marrige - conception.
    If two men or two women could concieve together, I'm sure that homosexuality would be no worry today.
    But honestly; so what if a few babies aren't born everyday? It's love.
    Love is not a crime no matter who it be with - man and woman, woman and woman, or man and man.
    Love is one major component the world seems to be lacking, and one of the reasons of this may be because people can't respect others desicions or partners.
    If you're against homosexuality, leave all the homosexuals alone.
    Don't go on and on about how "wrong" it is. Just leave them be, and maybe show some respect for them at least.

    ...
    But that may be just how I feel about it. :file:
    February 27th, 2007 at 07:02am
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    One of the main reasons why homosexuality is frowned upon by Catholics is because it defies one of the two major reasons of marrige - conception.
    If two men or two women could concieve together, I'm sure that homosexuality would be no worry today.
    But honestly; so what if a few babies aren't born everyday? It's love.
    Love is not a crime no matter who it be with - man and woman, woman and woman, or man and man.
    Love is one major component the world seems to be lacking, and one of the reasons of this may be because people can't respect others desicions or partners.
    If you're against homosexuality, leave all the homosexuals alone.
    Don't go on and on about how "wrong" it is. Just leave them be, and maybe show some respect for them at least.

    ...
    But that may be just how I feel about it. :file:
    I believe [I may be wrong, but I THINK] I read somewhere that two women can give an egg, and in a laboratory, scientists can make an embryo from that.
    February 27th, 2007 at 10:29pm
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    Well there is a way for gay women AND men couples to have children.
    Women can find a sperm donor, and then have a child from that although I guess it doens't have both women's DNA in it.
    Men can get a surrogate mother(or something like one) but again it isn't both parent's DNA.
    However, I do not think it will be long before it will be possible.
    Science is an art these days.
    February 28th, 2007 at 07:31pm
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    One of the main reasons why homosexuality is frowned upon by Catholics is because it defies one of the two major reasons of marrige - conception.
    If two men or two women could concieve together, I'm sure that homosexuality would be no worry today.
    But honestly; so what if a few babies aren't born everyday? It's love.
    Love is not a crime no matter who it be with - man and woman, woman and woman, or man and man.
    Love is one major component the world seems to be lacking, and one of the reasons of this may be because people can't respect others desicions or partners.
    If you're against homosexuality, leave all the homosexuals alone.
    Don't go on and on about how "wrong" it is. Just leave them be, and maybe show some respect for them at least.

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    But that may be just how I feel about it. :file:
    I believe [I may be wrong, but I THINK] I read somewhere that two women can give an egg, and in a laboratory, scientists can make an embryo from that.
    Yeah, but it needs a sperm.
    Its completely impossible to fertilize an egg without a sperm. A woman can give an egg and it can be fertilized in vitro by a random sperm, and it can be implanted in her and two women can have a kid that way, but there is no way you can do that with two eggs. I mean, there wouldn't be the right choromosomes. I mean, males have XY and females have XX. Its a totally different thing.

    Howeverr. I'm not sure if the fact that the eggs got their half-set of chromosomes through meiosis could mean something. Because thats why meiosis happens in the egg and sperm, to give a half-set of chromosomes to make one baby. So maybe, in theory, both the half-sets in the ovule could combine together to make a full set?

    I'm still not sure if thats possible at all. It would be vastly complicated, and the chromosomes (which are minute, btw) would need to be cut out of one cell and stuck into another, and I don't see how that can happen. Its too small.
    February 28th, 2007 at 07:33pm
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    Yeah, I know what you mean.

    Amazingly complicated and difficult is the word but I haven't lost all faith in having kids when I am older. I mean, 100 years ago it was amazingly complicated and unthought of that there would be a line we could log on to and talk to people on the other side of the world instantly.
    February 28th, 2007 at 07:41pm
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    mayme_moo:
    Well there is a way for gay women AND men couples to have children.
    I mean naturally, while having sex.
    February 28th, 2007 at 10:13pm
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    Well there is a way for gay women AND men couples to have children.
    I mean naturally, while having sex.
    But that is hypocritical because then all hetrosexual couples that cannot have children should not be together.
    March 1st, 2007 at 12:01am
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    I believe [I may be wrong, but I THINK] I read somewhere that two women can give an egg, and in a laboratory, scientists can make an embryo from that.
    Yeah, but it needs a sperm.
    Only currently.
    Scientists have taken the genes from two female mice--and no male--and created a baby mouse from it.
    Humans can't do it yet, but eventually...
    March 1st, 2007 at 03:17am
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    I believe [I may be wrong, but I THINK] I read somewhere that two women can give an egg, and in a laboratory, scientists can make an embryo from that.
    Yeah, but it needs a sperm.
    Only currently.
    Scientists have taken the genes from two female mice--and no male--and created a baby mouse from it.
    Humans can't do it yet, but eventually...
    Yeah I did kinda say that XDD
    You know, thats the problem with quoting six words out of 186. Contexxxxxt.

    Looks like Asexual reproduction isn't just for geraniums anymore, heh. Although I do find the prospect of chopping up the chromosomes really creepy. I mean, females only have XX, right?
    So females would only be able to fertilize their own eggs, producing only female children. Right?
    Ah well, I suppose thats only a problem if you're Chinese.

    Plus, people always say a child needs a father figure. Well, I don't always agree with that, but I think that at least a sperm would be cool, you know? at least keep something natural about reproduction, before we're all being grown in pyrex petri-dishes.
    March 1st, 2007 at 07:12pm