California to De-Legalize Gay Marriage

California plans to de-legalize gay marriage.
Eighteen thousand gay couples are legally married in the state of California.
The state plans to forcibly divorce them.

The Christian right is making even less sense than it used to.
They say gay marriage is wrong, but they think divorce is, too.
So . . . where is the logic?
To force couples to be divorced, to force childrens' parents to be divorced.
It's disgusting and sick.

Video and Courage Campaign's Letter to the Supreme Court.

This thread is about more than gay marriage.
It is about forcing married couples to divorce.

Discuss.

So, do they actively force people to initiate divorce proceedings?
Or does the marriage license become null and void automatically. I think there's a difference in that.

It hardly seems fair to legalise something and then take it away so quickly. If people were forced to get divorces it would be somewhat hypocritical because surely that makes a mockery out of the institution of marriage more than anything else. It's like forced marriage; there is a general consensus throughout the western world that such a thing is wrong, so the same principle should be applied to forced separation.

Bloodraine:

So, do they actively force people to initiate divorce proceedings?
Or does the marriage license become null and void automatically. I think there's a difference in that.

It hardly seems fair to legalise something and then take it away so quickly. If people were forced to get divorces it would be somewhat hypocritical because surely that makes a mockery out of the institution of marriage more than anything else. It's like forced marriage; there is a general consensus throughout the western world that such a thing is wrong, so the same principle should be applied to forced separation.

If they are stemming from Christian beliefs, there never really has been too much wrong with forced/arranged marriages in the history of Christianity. It was just more of a social norm established that forced marriages were wrong, especially as human rights and freedom of choice became more common. However, that is probably a erroneous generalisation.

Though, some people may perceive these divorces as alright though, because that's the whole controversy isn't it. Were their marriages considered marriages in the first place? Some people wouldn't perceive them as marriages since the matrimony wasn't that of a male and female. So their divorces wouldn't be considered "divorces" in their eyes.

Regardless, I think it's rather ridiculous because the government has just dug a hole for themselves as hypocrites. Instead of advancing and creating more equality in living, they're still discriminating.

I just can't help but wonder about their reasoning behind the decision. :think:

It's technically a forced annulment.
They simply say that 'yes, you were married and now you're not and there's nothing you can do about it'.

druscilla; mermaid.:

It's technically a forced annulment.
They simply say that 'yes, you were married and now you're not and there's nothing you can do about it'.

And exactly what was the government's reason behind this annulment of their marriages?

Sunny Shines:

druscilla; mermaid.:

It's technically a forced annulment.
They simply say that 'yes, you were married and now you're not and there's nothing you can do about it'.

And exactly what was the government's reason behind this annulment of their marriages?

I think it'll try to prove that they were never married/the marriage was never valid. So technically they're not forcing people to divorce.

Sunny Shines:

druscilla; mermaid.:

It's technically a forced annulment.
They simply say that 'yes, you were married and now you're not and there's nothing you can do about it'.

And exactly what was the government's reason behind this annulment of their marriages?

I'm assuming it's something along the lines of 'we're making gay marriage illegal so if you're gay and married that's illegal'.

Sunny Shines:

Regardless, I think it's rather ridiculous because the government has just dug a hole for themselves as hypocrites. Instead of advancing and creating more equality in living, they're still discriminating.

Depends on what you define as 'the government'.
I would argue that it isn't all that unusual for the three branches of government; the executive, the legislature, and the judiciary, to disagree or contradict eacother, as is the case here. In fact, it's normal, rather than hypocritical.

Bloodraine:

Sunny Shines:

Regardless, I think it's rather ridiculous because the government has just dug a hole for themselves as hypocrites. Instead of advancing and creating more equality in living, they're still discriminating.

Depends on what you define as 'the government'.
I would argue that it isn't all that unusual for the three branches of government; the executive, the legislature, and the judiciary, to disagree or contradict eacother, as is the case here. In fact, it's normal, rather than hypocritical.

And what branches are contradicting in the matter of gay marriage?

None of this really makes sense to me, considering the fact that politics shouldn't even be based on religion in the first place.

Oooh Zing:

None of this really makes sense to me, considering the fact that politics shouldn't even be based on religion in the first place.

Yeah, well that's America for you.
Land of the free, void where prohibited, some restrictions apply.

America. Land of the free. Where everyone is equal.

But God forbid you try to be yourself in society. California made it legal. And everyone was happy. Then came Proposition 8. Now they want to divorce all these couples? That is preposterous.

You can't help who you fall in love with. If you love someone of the same gender, what makes it so much more wrong than loving someone of the opposite gender?

Do they stop to think, what if they were a married homosexual couple, and the government was trying to divorce them?

Well, everyone knows the answer to that.

My (gay) friend is Mormon,
And before he told his Mum he had to go to these meetings with the church,
About how they were going to help them de-legalise gay marriage.
He was well angry after.
He ranted for days.
:file:

kafka.:

And what branches are contradicting in the matter of gay marriage?

Judiciary, Legislature and Executive...as far as I can see.

Okay, so the fact that gay marriage is illegal is stupid enough, and now they come up with this "We allowed you to be married for a few months, now we're making it illegal and forcing an anullment/divorce" shit? America is ridiculous. I can't even fucking talk about--that's how angry it makes me. What happened to "seperation of church and state" and those things called the Constitution and Declaration of Independence--where all people are created equal? Isn't that supposed to be the foundation of our society?

:grr:
This whole situation makes me PISSED off to no end and really sad to even be American. This is just cruel. I know some gay couples that were married back when it was legal in San Fran the first time, and then were forced to annul and then married again when it was legal in Cali. And they have to get force anullments AGAIN?!?
Some of these people have been together for DECADES.

It's alright for someone to marry and divorce someone in a month but these poor couples don't deserve the same rights because of something as petty as gender?

I remember that back when Interracial couples weren't allowed to marry and their argument was also something about how it's not religious and not what god meant. :roll:

This is simply the civil rights movement of the new millennium and those moronic people that keep holding it back can't see it.

To me, this makes no sense.
At all.
Religion isn't supposed to take over politics.

^ It shouldn't, but unfortunately it does.

I just don't see why a religion some people may not even believe in is dictating their lives in such a way. It's ridiculous. And annulling the marriages, frankly, is disgusting. I'd really like to know the point in letting gay couples marry only to tear it away from them a matter of months later.

Christians are supposed to think that divorce is wrong and a sin.
So I don't understand the "Christian" thinking behind this one at all.

Is it just me, or do Christians seem to be some of the biggest hypocrites ever?
They're not even supposed to be against homosexuality - just the act of gay sex.