California to De-Legalize Gay Marriage

I am a Christian and I support gay marriage. You can't force Christian beliefs on people like that. First of all, marriage is more legal than religious. Atheists get married and they don't even believe in God. But we stop homosexuals from getting married because of Christian beliefs? That's just wrong. They're still human beings who deserve that right.
Forcing them to divorce is especially awful. How can you do that?

I think one of the main things in the way, if not the main thing in the way, is the fact that church and state are still not separated in the US. I haven't heard any arguments against gay marriage that hold up that well, but the one that's really responsible for this is that it's against Christianity, which just shouldn't matter. Religion should be for individuals, not a whole government.

I also think that people need to realise that marriage is not strictly a religious thing. There has been marriage in secular form for ages, it's not specifically by religion, for religion.

Well, church and state are actually separate in the U.S. federally, It´s just that some lobbyists and politicians forget about that, as they live in a fantasy world. BUT, the states do have the right, when it comes down to individual state constitutions and governments to make laws pertaining to religion and even stating in their constitutions: "The official religion of the state of_____________ is __________". I think that the first step to ending these kinds of propositions would be to amend the national constitution to include a law against states being biased toward particular religions.

New York legalized gay marriage!.
Not sure if this in an appropriate place to post it, but whatever.

Thoughts? A lot of the usual bitchy arguments are coming up, but I like that the linked article touched on the national impact that will be caused by NY legalizing it.

Okay... they can go back to living in domestic partnerships. It's not like marriage hurts or helps anyone. It's just a term.

I feel gay rights looks like this:

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Okay... they can go back to living in domestic partnerships. It's not like marriage hurts or helps anyone. It's just a term.

It's not "just a term". it's totally cool to not want to get married or to think it's an outdated institution, but to flat out lie (or maybe you're simply misinformed) and say it's no different than living with someone is wrong. There are over 800 rights that come with marriage that you simply cannot get any other way.

dru will save you.:

It's not "just a term". it's totally cool to not want to get married or to think it's an outdated institution, but to flat out lie (or maybe you're simply misinformed) and say it's no different than living with someone is wrong. There are over 800 rights that come with marriage that you simply cannot get any other way.

You serious? Dayum!

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i didnt know so many christian were being so physically hurt due to the fact that gay marriage was legalized. i know it kind of harch but i truely dis-like conservative christians. why cant they bide by the biggest message of the bible. LOVING ALL GOD CREATES AND NOT JUDGING CAUSE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE FIT TO JUDGE HUMANITY.

I will be so disgusted if California de-legalizes it. That is just complete bullsh*t right there and horribly rude to all of the couples whose marriages that will be ruined. The government and the people in any state do not have the right to tell someone who they can't and can marry. It isn't their place.

Isn't this unconstitutional that they outlaw it in the first place? In ANY state. Isn't it the... first I believe? It sort of ties in with freedom of religion because of how most Christians (and other religions) believe that is wrong. I could write down on a napkin making up a religion that approves of gay marriage, and they would have to honor it. Freedom of religion.

There is no point to take the case to the Supreme Court for verifying whether it is indeed an unconstitutional law or not, in my opinion. It will just hold up things even longer and the Supreme Court could take their time deciding when to answer the case or not. Is the case even appealed yet to the SC? And if it is, is it even picked up by them?

The thing is, I don't see why they would appeal this. The proposition passed only by a small margin; it would have been easier instead, thanks to California's direct democratic government system, to set up another initiative that will revoke that law and keep gay marriage legal. And by the time for the elections, many new young people will become voters (such as myself) and will most likely vote that initiative and turn it into a law, seeing the strong support LGBT get from the young generation. I honestly believe that if an initiative revoking prop 8 is placed instead of bothering with an appeal, they have a better chance of revoking the current bill.

People deem prop 8 unconstitutional, and it is. But so is the fact that many other states ban gay marriage and that our nation even still has (if I'm not mistaken) that ridiculous definition of marriage law that Clinton made & Bush kept. This law in Cali is really no different from what a lot of other states think. I have no clue if Obama revoked that specific law made by Clinton or not though... but in my polisci class we discussed it and never once heard of a revoke so I guess not. And Obama still isn't flat out for gay marraige, though he seems to also support it at the same time, so I doubt he revoked it.

Another thing you guys have to understand is that marriage is STATE thing. The federal government cannot control marriage laws; it is up to the states. So if a state says no to gay marriage, it will be hard to take that case to the SC, say it violates the Constitution and make sure it is revoked. By doing that, you might as well just make gay marriage legal nation-wide. The problem is that they can't unless they want to face heavy scrutiny and lawsuits from states for violating the constitution for actually making states do something marriage-wise when it should all be up to the state itself without government interference since it is they who had governing and dealing with marriage handed to them in the Constitution. It's hard to explain and I'm probably all over the place since I'm tired and whatnot but basically... this is really all in the states' ball of the court.

I'm just hoping that someone places another initiative on the upcoming election so that prop 8 can be revoked.

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I could write down on a napkin making up a religion that approves of gay marriage, and they would have to honor it. Freedom of religion.

See, there's a fickle problem. While freedom of religion is a given, there are also still things the nation can choose to not permit and such. For example, in many religions (a major example is Islam which is the 2nd largest religion in the world and very existent in the U.S.) polygamy is allowed. But, the U.S. as a nation still does not allow polygamy, therefore you cannot practice it. See what I mean? You can practice your religion, but only to an extent that the government basically gives the OK to.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has rejected the request to rehear the case on Prop 8 and review the ruling given in February of 2012 by a three judge panel. If they had accepted the request, Prop 8 would have gone before a full panel of eleven judges to decide its constitutionality. With the rejection, the ruling of unconstitutional given back in February will stand. The ruling will most likely now be appealed to the Supreme Court. It's expected that it'll take around a year for the Supreme Court to make their decision on whether to hear the case or not. If they do refuse to hear it, it'll go back to the 9th Circuit for another appeal. If the Supreme Court refuses to hear it, the law will still have a stay on it that will need to be appealed to the 9th Circuit. From there, the 9th Circuit can choose to lift the stay and overturn Prop 8 or keep the stay on indefinitely.

It looks like the long battle over Prop 8 is finally nearing its last stages. One can only hope it'll end with the law being overturned.

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I think this is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed to happen However I think it's unfair to blame this all on Christians, I'm sure everyone filing for this isn't a Christian. Plus a lot of Christians aren't the hypocritical douche bags that make so much noise for the rest of them. Sorry just has to comment on that

And Airi I'm glad this is drawing to a close, fingers crossed that everything turns out well!

Theres a lot of reason behind people not liking or allowing gay marriage...but its love and it should be a right. But for thousands of years the definition has been and is a legal constitution between a man and a woman (not to mention a few biblical quotes against homosexuality). We're fighting for a people with a hormonal mistake to have a right to any type of love. Its like slamming yourself against a wall of core beliefs and tradition. I believe gay marriage should be a human right, but I am aware that I am going against a people that have a great, however bigoted argument they can use against me.
Although we can argue, that however flawed, love is not logical, it is an emotion, and people who love each other should have rights, for the sake of paying health insurance, taxes, and other bills. They should be treated as one by the government, because like heterosexual couples, it is still love that bonds between them. And if God hates gays so much, why were they created? Gay couples getting married won't hurt anyone, and if they get married, it will not cause the human race to die out, gay couples donate sperm or get inseminated anyway, and no matter how many homosexuals there are, there will always be heterosexuals to keep the race alive. Also, there is such a thing as overpopulation, yes? Heterosexual couples are not harmed in any way by homosexuals, homosexual marriage, or homosexuals themselves. Yes, people are going to be annoying, rude, or mean, but calling homosexuals that is a huge rude indecency. Heterosexuals can be just as douchy.
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I don't think "love" is a good enough reason for something to be legal. I think equal rights for individuals and not judging them is a good enough reason. But I'm not going to say that I think teens should be able to get married legally without consent from parents because "it's love".

Love has no place in laws; fairness and equality do.

This is sick and twisted. Is there no voting anymore? Did they vote to de-legalize gay marriage, or is the court just doing this? Because then the Supreme Court must get involved to right the injustice.

raroman:

Theres a lot of reason behind people not liking or allowing gay marriage...but its love and it should be a right. But for thousands of years the definition has been and is a legal constitution between a man and a woman (not to mention a few biblical quotes against homosexuality). We're fighting for a people with a hormonal mistake to have a right to any type of love. Its like slamming yourself against a wall of core beliefs and tradition. I believe gay marriage should be a human right, but I am aware that I am going against a people that have a great, however bigoted argument they can use against me.
Although we can argue, that however flawed, love is not logical, it is an emotion, and people who love each other should have rights, for the sake of paying health insurance, taxes, and other bills. They should be treated as one by the government, because like heterosexual couples, it is still love that bonds between them. And if God hates gays so much, why were they created? Gay couples getting married won't hurt anyone, and if they get married, it will not cause the human race to die out, gay couples donate sperm or get inseminated anyway, and no matter how many homosexuals there are, there will always be heterosexuals to keep the race alive. Also, there is such a thing as overpopulation, yes? Heterosexual couples are not harmed in any way by homosexuals, homosexual marriage, or homosexuals themselves. Yes, people are going to be annoying, rude, or mean, but calling homosexuals that is a huge rude indecency. Heterosexuals can be just as douchy.
There.

I think you bring up many valuable points.

@ Aly Dreamer Jones
Why thank you. I had a long talk with someone the other day and learned the heterosexual/homophobic argument

@ Aly Dreamer Jones
Sadly yes, Proposition 8 became law by voters choosing to pass it. The courts aren't responsible for the passing of Prop 8. What the courts are trying to do now is decide whether or not Prop 8 is unconstitutional and violates peoples' rights. Prop 8 has been given two rulings. Once in 2010 and once in 2012, both rulings decided that Prop 8 was indeed unconstitutional. Prop 8 is headed for the Supreme Court, but we'll have to wait and see if they'll take the case. If they deny to hear the case, the 9th Circuit will get to decide to repeal Prop 8 or keep a stay on it.

@ Airi.
What? So they're saying gay marriage is against the law? Uh, I read the constitution, and they say that you cannot deny anyone their rights no matter gender, race, or anything else.