Death Sentences

  • schrodinger's cat.

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    I completely agree with you, I think it's an outdated and illogical view.
    In a system where it is stated that murder is wrong, then the only logical answer is to not kill anyone.
    April 21st, 2013 at 06:53pm
  • Juliet16

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    I really don't want to start a debate so please, please just don't start a debate with me, I really hate fighting..

    I use to be against the death sentence but, I watched something about this guy David Parker Ray, and I watched the episode and before I ever watched him, I thought people should have life in prison but, not a death penalty but, this guy made me so furious that I wished him dead... So certain people like him deserve to die.. So in some cases I do think the death penalty is required...

    I am just stating my opinion, please don't try and start a debate with me, I really don't like to, If you disagree it's your opinion, just like this is my opinion... Thank-you for reading though!
    April 22nd, 2013 at 06:49am
  • Name Of Misery.

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    Death sentences just cost a lot of money. Money to keep the person alive until their death, money to pay for the appeals the person makes, and money for the killing itself.

    And, at least in the US, state governments put off the paperwork for as long as they can to either kill the person or let them live. So they stay in prison for years, waiting for their sentence.

    So, if a person is on death row, either kill them or don't.

    I don't really agree with the death penalty, but if it's going to happen, just do it. Don't make the person wait for thirty years because no one signed the paperwork.
    April 22nd, 2013 at 07:08am
  • Airi.

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    I'm against the death penalty. The death penalty is a subject I think I've always kind of struggled with. There have been a lot of things I've seen in the news that have shaken my views and made me ask myself if I'm really against it but in the end, I can never bring myself to support the death penalty for anyone. I have a strong belief against killing so it's hard for me to support the killing of anyone, no matter what they've done.

    How expensive the death penalty costs really differs from area to area. Here in California, sentencing someone to death costs more than giving them a life sentence. California allows death row inmates a lot of appeals to ensure that we aren't executing an innocent person. The number of appeals and legal action is largely what makes the death penalty so expensive in California. It would simply just be a lot cheaper for us to have life without parole as the highest sentence. Most people in this State on death row are essentially serving life sentences anyway, hardly any of them will be executed.

    We had a chance to repeal the death penalty last November but the majority rejected the amendment because they thought it would be costlier to abolish it. It's a shame the amendment wasn't more talked about, a lot of California voters didn't seem very educated on just how the death penalty works in our State. I don't really know if the cost should be a reason for keeping it though, even if it would be cheaper. It just kind of unsettles me for human life to be lowered to just an amount of cost. It just seems a little bit degrading to me I guess, I don't really know how to explain it.
    April 22nd, 2013 at 09:12am
  • folie a dru.

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    @ Juliet16
    I'm not going to start a debate with you, but the Specific Discussion threads are for discussion and debate so if you don't want to take the chance someone will disagree with you and reply, don't post because people have every right to respond to you in these threads. They are supposed to encourage discussion.
    April 22nd, 2013 at 05:01pm
  • Juliet16

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    @ dru saves the songs
    I don't care if people disagree and they can respond about their disagreements, I was saying just don't expect me to go into a debate. These threads are for debates, and discussions, yes. It's also for just your opinion, I stated my opinion that's all I'll do. I've never seen a debate be civil so, I'd rather not be part of one, as I said I stated my opinion.. You can state yours but, I'm not going to start telling anyone they're wrong about their opinion because, I could be wrong or others could be wrong, it's just an opinion and I don't care if other support it or not. We all have minds of our own and I support people that do say what they believe, even if it's not my belief. Sorry for rambling: ( I just wanted to let you know what exactly I meant....
    April 22nd, 2013 at 05:08pm
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    Warning: Triggering information about rape.

    The Delhi rapists were sentenced to death, except the juvenile.

    For those unfamiliar with the case, they gang-raped a woman in India and also raped her with a rod so badly her organs punctured and she died.
    ^ Highlight that if you wish to read about the crime, minimal detail.

    I'm not always for the death penalty, even in cases of murder. I think it strongly hangs on the case and I'm not usually for it. Unless the crime is especially heinous, which this one was. I am actually for the death penalty in this case.

    There are strongly mixed feelings on this. What are yours?
    September 14th, 2013 at 03:18am
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    @ gonna hear dru roar.
    Although it goes without saying that this was a horrifying crime, I still cannot see a rational reason why death was an appropriate sentence. It hasn't solved anything as far as I can see.
    September 14th, 2013 at 09:48pm
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    @ Alex; periphery.
    They can never rape and kill another woman again, can they?
    September 14th, 2013 at 11:05pm
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    @ Alex; periphery.
    They can never rape and kill another woman again, can they?
    Sure they can't; they can't do much of anything now, but I would dispute the idea that killing is the only way of stopping someone from reoffending.
    September 15th, 2013 at 01:00am
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    @ Alex; periphery.
    I don't think it's the only way. I just believe in an eye for an eye when the crime is especially heinous.
    September 15th, 2013 at 03:40am
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    I just read this entire thread, and ultimately, I am for the death penalty. I live in Virginia, and (according to Wikipedia) since 1976 when the Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment, there have been 110 executions.

    Also, a couple years ago, there was a family of four killed in my county (here). As it says, the man was drunk, underage. It wasn't the first time he'd driven drunk (I believe. If you care to double check me, google 'family of four killed in car crash in Frederick County, VA). As many people have said, you could hear the parents (the kids apparently died of blunt force trauma before the fire started) crying for help while they were burning in the car. I'm sorry, but I can't help but think he should've got the death penalty (he got 20 years). Call me terrible, but I honestly don't care. As far as what was said by people who stopped to call for help, they heard cries for help from the car while it was burning. While I'm semi-sure he'll get what he deserves in prison, I would've rather him got the death penalty.

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    [Edit]: Apparently, if you are convicted of one of these crimes in Virginia, you are eligible for the death penalty: (Wikipedia)
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder in the commission of abduction,
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder during a robbery or attempted robbery
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder by a person engaged in a continuing Criminal Drug Enterprise
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder in the commission of rape or attempted rape or sodomy, or attempted sodomy, or object sexual penetration
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder of a person under the age of 14 by a person over the age of 21
    -Contract killing
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder of a law enforcement officer
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder of more than one person (within a three year time frame)
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder of a pregnant woman
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder by an inmate while in a correctional facility.
    -Willful, deliberate and premeditated murder committed during an act of terrorism.
    September 15th, 2013 at 08:12am
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    @ Alex; periphery.
    I don't think it's the only way. I just believe in an eye for an eye when the crime is especially heinous.
    Hmm. I just see that as revenge rather than justice, which I'm not really comfortable with as a concept.
    September 17th, 2013 at 01:35pm
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    @ Alex; periphery.
    I think that especially heinous crimes show the lack of a soul inside of a person. I don't think evil souls should be kept alive. I don't think they can be rehabilitated or made to feel remorse for what they've done. I think they should be killed so they can begin the cycle of karma that is their next life. That, to me, is actual justice.

    Granted, not everyone believes in reincarnation or getting the sins of your previous life put back onto you in the next.
    September 17th, 2013 at 04:15pm
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    I think the death penalty is totally and completely a by case thing. Death isn't something you can just assign to someone because they were convicted of first degree murder. However, sometimes I think it's needed. Some people won't feel remorse, they won't even care if you put them in jail for the rest of their lives so true punishment would be to take their own life.

    I struggle with this a lot though because I also don't think I, or anyone, has a right to 'play God' and decide who lives and dies, so I'm not 500% sure on my opinion. I can't say totally no and I can't say definitely yes.
    September 19th, 2013 at 12:28am
  • renaenotrenee

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    Honestly, there are criminals that go to prison with life sentences, have a warm bed to sleep in each night, and are provided with three meals a day.

    I'm not sure of the exact figure, but I know this costs a shit load of tax payer's money.

    Yet education reforms are being denied left and right.

    We can afford to take care of criminals but not to supply children with what they need to grow.

    I feel like the death penalty is not used enough. It's completely stupid to me to house a convict for 30+ years. After like 25 years, I say either let them go free, have their family start paying for their stay, or kill them.
    December 22nd, 2013 at 05:57am
  • My Eternal Trivium

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    Death is too quick. While you are there suffering the loss of a loved one (for example), the other guy isn't forced to think about his actions. He just gets to die. Wouldn't it be better to just let them rot in a hole somewhere? People worry about taxpayer's dollars, but let's face it, we can just change that to no warm bed, very minimal food, and no outside contact with anyone. Just let them curl up in a hole with no sunlight and let them naturally expire. That's the best solution, IMO.
    December 23rd, 2013 at 04:08am
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    @ renaenotrenee
    What if they aren't guilty? Most death row inmates are black men. I think we need to consider wrong convictions. One innocent man dead is not worth it.

    Also, I've been in jail on false charges. They aren't warm beds, they are thin mattresses on metal frames with no pillow and one thin blanket. Fucked my neck up for weeks. In five weeks I lost thirty pounds because the food was so horrible. It isn't the lovely place you're making it out to be.

    Also... People get life sentences for marijuana possession. Do they deserve to die?
    December 23rd, 2013 at 05:02am
  • renaenotrenee

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    @ close dru's eyes.

    That thin mattress and horrible food is still a step above homelessness.

    You do have a point with the wrong convictions though. That's pretty much the real hole in what I think should be done, that's why I doubt it would happen and don't think I could truly completely support it.

    However, if there is cold hard proof against a person, and after 25 years they still have no chance of parole or anything like that, I say to kill them.

    And please please please don't get me started on my views pertaining to marijuana, lol. I will go on and on for days about how conviction for possession is stupid.

    @ My Eternal Trivium

    You're right, it is a worse and better punishment to make the criminal live in the prison conditions, but like I said, our economy is in no state to be spending so much money on revenge. Killing them might be the quick solution, but it effectively makes sure they won't be committing any more crimes, and provides some form of punishment.
    December 23rd, 2013 at 10:45pm
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    @ renaenotrenee
    Well, to be fair, if you say you want to "use" the death penalty "more", you are saying it within the confines of the currently existing justice system. And the one in America is not good unless you have money. I support the death penalty in extreme cases, personally, but I think legally it shouldn't exist because the justice system is so full of liars we have no idea who we are killing.

    In America if you shoot a black kid and kill him, you go home but if you have too much weed you spend life in jail. We really don't need to be using the death penalty more here, at all.
    December 23rd, 2013 at 10:50pm