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    Whoops.
    September 4th, 2014 at 08:29pm
  • independence.

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    @ January Rose
    Yes, it does seem fair because I believe the sentient human being has more rights than a fetus inside that body that has no concept of time, feelings, no ability to think, etc. The pregnant person means more to me than a non-feeling fetus, simple as that. The pregnant person has a say in what gets to use their body, and if they don't want a fetus there, then it doesn't get the chance to be there. And again, as I said before, making abortion illegal won't stop abortion. You know what it does stop? Safe abortions. On top of that, pregnancy is about 14 times more dangerous than abortion. Dying due to abortion is about .6 per 100,000 while dying from pregnancy is about 8.4 per 100,000 (here). So yeah, I believe the pregnant person deserves the right to an abortion. The fetus (which cannot feel, think, etc, and has no concept of time or the fact that is living, unlike the pregnant person, so therefore yeah, it doesn't have a choice/say/etc because it isn't possible for it to have a choice because it is incapable of thinking or feeling anything) does not get to use someone's body without their permission for it to be there. A fetus is not a person. It is not a human being. Yes, it has human DNA, so don't play the "you're saying it's not human" card on me. It has human DNA, but it is not a human being like you or me. It does not get to have more rights than the pregnant person, which is considered a person. Also, interestingly enough, the United Nations classifies pregnancy without access to abortion as torture (here)
    September 4th, 2014 at 08:36pm
  • January Rose

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    @ dru is beautiful.
    Wat do you mean by the world is overpopulated? As in there isn't enough food for everyone? Cause that isn't true.

    I agree with you that babies shouldn't be shoved into a system, unloved by parents. But mothers have the choice to have their baby adopted before it comes out. They can set up meetings and meet the people (or not, it is there choice) who are going to become her baby's parents.

    And I'm not saying that being pregnat should be a punishment. I'm just saying it doesn't seem fair to the unborn baby who never had a chance.
    September 5th, 2014 at 01:39am
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    @ January Rose
    Okay so, I've asked this before to other people and now I'm going to ask it to you, since it's all well and good to be against abortion. Really, it is. I mean, after all, no pro-choice person actually likes abortion. It's just a matter of whether or not you believe abortion should be an option. That being said, let's say, hypothetically, that tomorrow we woke up and abortion was made illegal again. What then?

    What exactly do we do as a society to keep women from aborting if they truly do not want to continue through with that pregnancy? Currently in America, gay adoption isn't really technically legal, and we've got a lot of people being against that, but even beyond the adoption route (which, you have to admit that the process to actually foster/adopt a child is a lengthy and expensive one that a lot of couples can't afford), there's the issue of making it so that the fetus lives.

    So what do we do with those desperate women with no choice? Do we imprison every desperate woman that gets a back alley abortion? Do we imprison women before they can attempt to get a back alley abortion and keep them locked up until they deliver? What then happens to that baby once it's born? Do we set up even more foster homes and hope that there are enough eligible people to adopt them?

    Sorry about how lengthy this is, and I do wish that abortion was less common than it is, but it is a necessary evil, because it is the woman's right to choose. I know it sounds calloused and cruel, but when it comes to the rights of a blastocyst/embryo/fetus versus the rights of a woman? I choose the woman.
    September 5th, 2014 at 03:17am
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    @ CallusedSilk
    I agree with this one hundred percent. You worded this wonderfully, and way better than I ever could've. Thank you. Cute
    September 6th, 2014 at 08:35pm
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    January Rose:
    And I'm not saying that being pregnat should be a punishment. I'm just saying it doesn't seem fair to the unborn baby who never had a chance.
    But then it also doesn't seem fair for a woman to go through with having a baby she may not be able to care for, for financial, mental or emotional reasons, or for any reason at all.
    September 15th, 2014 at 02:05pm
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    @ Alex; periphery.
    I also pointed out though that she could give that baby up for adoption, giving him or her their best chance.
    September 16th, 2014 at 02:20am
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    @ January Rose
    You're neglecting the fact that pregnancy is not cheap, even a healthy one and those with insurance.
    September 16th, 2014 at 02:42am
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    @ January Rose
    Might I also add that I saw you post in another forum saying that you don't think same-sex couples should be able to adopt. With the way you're thinking, there's a lot of children already waiting for parents to adopt them and with all these babies being born and the mother's putting them up for adoption because they couldn't get an abortion, what would happen then? Lets just open up more shelters for children because no one can adopt them if same-sex couples can't. Let's overpopulate the world even more.

    Seems legit.

    The point is, abortion is necessary. If the mother is unfit to take care of the child or if she just doesn't want a child to begin with, then she can do what she wants with her body and get rid of it. It's HER body, not yours.
    September 16th, 2014 at 02:55am
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    @ January Rose
    You seem to be insinuating that women should be incubators against their will just to give an unborn foetus a chance with no consideration of the emotional and physical damage that could occur to the women. Women's bodies change significantly during pregnancy as well as childbirth and I don't think any woman wants to suffer that for a baby they don't want. Emotionally, it has the potential to damage a woman badly, not to mention the fact that you're placing this UNBORN foetus's rights above a LIVING woman's rights.
    September 16th, 2014 at 02:57am
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    This commercial is making me so angry.
    October 6th, 2014 at 11:28pm
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    Went to pick up birth control today and saw dead baby posters and protestors. Early in the week, we saw people protesting abortion and birth control outside a Lutheran hospital. My boyfriend's pro life dad was even mad about protesting birth control.
    October 10th, 2014 at 04:10pm
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    CallusedSilk:
    This commercial is making me so angry.
    Honestly watching that pissed me off.
    I get that some women feel angry and guilty and upset because they've had an abortion but that doesn't mean all do and all should. It's like people are trying to drill it into women's heads that abortion : guilt/distress/murder when it could save the woman from countless other struggles if she had her baby. I don't understand why people feel it's necessary to attempt to control whether not women can get an abortion and then go ahead and demean them if they did.
    The right to have an abortion comes with the right of a woman to do what she pleases with her own body, I'm sick of people shaming others for doing what's within their own rights.
    October 10th, 2014 at 10:31pm
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    @ fauvism
    It's especially obnoxious, because the site itself tries to look like a site that could potentially give out all options to women in terms of pregnancy. Which that is clearly not what they're really doing if they're going to run an ad that is basically them going, "Well, you can either go through with your pregnancy or be a depressed murderer that basically raped herself. You know, options."
    October 11th, 2014 at 12:08am
  • Inactiveaccount18

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    For me I have been and always will be pro choice.

    Abortion isn't a black and white subject, there are always exceptions and reasons which I'd assume the average person will never experience personally.

    If you are raped and forced to carry your rapists baby how is that healthy for mother or baby? The mother is left with a constant reminder and should the child ever know how they were conceived could you begin to understand how distressed they'd be?

    Likewise a child born with severe disabilities and a terrible quality of life? Surely as a parent the responsibility is to provide a secure and healthy life for your child - should that decision not lie in the hands of the parents, not the government.

    On the other hand there are those who treat abortion as a form of contraception which is wrong, and not what it's purpose is.

    I also don;t agree with how some pro lifers disgustingly treat the doctors and nurses, I read one report that doctors and nurses at a clinic had to have security escort them too and from work. How can people justify treating medical personnel like that?

    http://earthe.tk/post/91969857814 This picture really does make you think.
    October 12th, 2014 at 02:19am
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    @ EternalCosmos
    The majority of women who get an abortion are nt raped nor aborting a child because of health reasons. The majority of women who have an abortion already have one child and report they aren't ready for another one. This is a situation the majority of women who abort will most likely find themselves in.

    Your post brings to light what have been deemed as "acceptable abortions". When Weny Davis released her memoirs and admitted to have two terminations for health reasons, this was an example of a woman being allowed to talk about her abortion because it was of the acceptable variety. I doubt she would have shared the information of she had chosen to abort because she wasn't financially prepared for another child.

    Neither reason is less acceptable but one is deemed so by society and the media. I wish people would focus less on rape babies and more on all women havin the right to abort for whatever reason.

    Also, most women do not use abortion as birth control. By even if they so, so you think that women should be forced into motherhood instead? She still has rights.
    October 12th, 2014 at 04:19pm
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    @ dru is beautiful

    I can't say the majority of women get abortions for whatever reason is because I haven't looked at the statistics. Furthermore I said nothing about "acceptable abortion or unacceptable abortion" at the end of that day it should be the choice of the women, that said my personal opinion is that it shouldn't be used as a form of contraception, I cannot speak for the United States but here in the UK contraception is free, there isn't really any excuse to be having multiple abortions, (obviously I understand there are exceptions people subject to long term abuse but that's a different subject). But hey that's just my opinion so it doesn't really stand with the law does it? Granted the sex education in this country is terrible and perhaps that has a knock on effect...

    Likewise if a woman already has children and feels she needs no more than that should be her decision should she want to terminate her pregnancy, I don't recall stating that one reason is more "acceptable" I completely understand a woman aborting for financial reasons, when you raise a child you literally pay for everything the child will ever need. Any one with an ounce of common sense can understand that concept.

    As for your society comment, magazines aimed at older women have touched on the subject of abortion. Elle magazine a few years ago interviewed a number of women who shared their stories, one who already had a family and didn't want more children and another who couldn't afford to have a child - whilst it may not be as talked about as regularly it is spoken about.

    I also never stated anything about a woman who chooses to use abortion as contraception as not having rights - my opinion and I will stick to it it that is wrong - abortion is not contraception and people need to understand that.

    I understand your overall point but you have completely attacked me over my opinion which is unfair.
    October 12th, 2014 at 07:42pm
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    @ EternalCosmos
    I'm sorry you got the impression I was accusing you of saying those were the only two acceptable abortions. I tried to careful choose my wording and say "your post brings to light" not "your post says".

    Your post simply reminds me of the safe pro choice argument I hear that paints women who get abortions as a rape victim or a woman having a differently abled child. I decided to comment on that trope.
    October 14th, 2014 at 06:16am
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    @ January Rose
    I'm sure I've replied to you before, but hello again. Did you take anything I said before into consideration? I was /looking for ways to take my own life/ when I found out I was pregnant because I literally could not deal with the mental/emotional strain of it. If I would have had to carry the fetus to term I would not be alive right now. Your entire focus is centered around a fetus inside a human being. You don't seem to care what happens to the woman with it inside of her.

    I'll tell you now, I have zero regrets about having an abortion. I'm healthy, I'm alive, and most importantly /I Am Happy/. If I would have had to carry the thing and hadn't tried to off myself in the process I would still be depressed and suicidal. I cannot cope with even the concept of a child, just the idea makes me feel sick to my stomach and scares the hell out of me. Please don't assume that carrying the baby to term isn't going to potentially emotionally damage the woman because I can attest to the fact right now that in some cases, it will.

    I want you to stop looking at what happens to just the fetus growing in the woman, and also consider her too. She is a life. and If you're Pro-Life, shouldn't you take into consideration her well-being and whether or not she wants to live through the process as well?
    October 17th, 2014 at 07:11pm
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    So many woman here use the argument that it is their body and they should have the right to do with it as they wish but that doesn't stand true in many regards. They cannot amputate a limb just because they choose to. They cannot sell an organ just because they choose to. Suicide is frowned upon even though one might prefer that to living their lives. There are limits to what one, anyone, should be ALLOWED to do even to themselves. As to pregnancy and abortion...Sex can lead to a pregnancy, we all know that, and she should and does have the means to avoid it. How many birth control devices, not to mention abstinence, are on the market these days? When a woman has an abortion it is not because she wants to get rid of a random growth in her body "when does life start?" it's because she is not ready or does not want to have a child. The arguments that it is not a life yet are ridiculous because if that was so why the fight to have control over it? Every woman knows what it is that they are fighting for or against. It's a child. Those who do not want to have the one growing inside them will ignore that fact as it suits them and do everything in their power to bring others into their own train of thought. You DID have control over your body yet failed to exercise that and this is the consequence. A consequence you should now have to face. We are not teaching our children that they need to take responsibility for their actions if we ourselves are not. The health of the mother and victims of rape are unique cases they are not the norm but when people are arguing for or against it as a whole they are usually looking towards that, the norm.
    October 20th, 2014 at 02:45pm