Abortion

@ Collin Berend
As cruel and unfair as it sounds, while it does take two to create a fetus, one side is a bigger aspect of the pregnancy than the other. Genetically, it's absolutely 50/50. Beyond that, it's more like, 98/2. The vast majority of the time and the effort is on the part of the individual with the working uterus. They're the ones that deal with 9-10 months of pregnancy. They're the ones that deal with all the risk and it is their body. They're the ones having another life form inside them altering their blood sugar levels, moving their organs around, controlling their hormones and potentially causing intense pain and a lot of hardships. A pregnancy will take a toll on that female physically, emotionally, mentally and financially. So no, the male in the equation does not have a say in it because the male is not the one carrying the pregnancy to term.

@ CallusedSilk
Financially, that I would not agree with, mainly because he, if he wants it, I would expect to do the pay. My only time this notion would come to thought if it was people being pretty silly. Like two teens having sex or a player of both female and male. But I can agree to that statement.

@ Collin Berend
Financials go beyond just paying for the hospital bills. It's also the time she has to take off work for doctor's appointments and maternity leave which could very possibly limit her ability to get promoted or to get a raise.

@ Collin Berend
The male doesn't carry the fetus to term. He doesn't have to go through pregnancy. He gave her the sperm. It was a gift. If he didn't want to give her the gift of sperm, he should have wrapped it up. A gift is the recipient's to do with what they will.

Men should never be able to force women to give birth. We aren't human incubators.

I found some new statistics I was unaware of. People like to bring repeat abortion up and suggest women are using it as birth control. I found information that says women who present for repeat abortions are 2.5 times more likely to be in an abusive relationship than a woman getting her first abortion.

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Abortion is wrong. Some people even go thru with it without telling the father and that to is wrong it is his baby to. And yes maybe the woman do have to go thru the worst part of the pregnecie but that's nature, I'm sure if the father could swap places with you he would. Abortion is murder you are ending another persons life! And you might say its not a baby its fetus but if that's the case your not pregnent so no need for an abortion.

The only time an abortion should be allowed if the parent has been raped.

If you get pregnent then its your fault, deal with it don't kill it.

Maleficent A:

If you get pregnent then its your fault, deal with it don't kill it.

That's pretty harsh.

@ stillborn.
And murdering an innocent life isn't?

Maleficent A:

Abortion is wrong. Some people even go thru with it without telling the father and that to is wrong it is his baby to.

Women are not incubators. The male is not the one who would need to carry the pregnancy to term; the male does not get to force a woman to give up her body for nine months because women are not incubators. If a woman decides to carry the fetus to term for the male then fine, it is her choice. But never does a man - or anyone - get to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term that she does not want to carry.

Maleficent A:

Abortion is murder you are ending another persons life!

No, an abortion does not end the life of another person. A fetus is not a human being; it is a developing human being. Yes, a fetus is alive. However, it is not alive in the same way that you and I are. At the time of abortion, a fetus is incapable of conscious thought and it is incapable of feeling. At the time of most abortions, a fetus is not a viable living thing. In all essence, a fetus is alive in the same way that bacteria is alive. Equating abortion to murder is comparing oranges to apples.

Maleficent A:

And you might say its not a baby its fetus but if that's the case your not pregnent so no need for an abortion.

But that is technically correct by scientific standards, which should always be used in debating the legality of abortion. By scientific standards, at the time of abortion, it is not a baby. It is a fetus. So I'm honestly not sure what you're saying here...?

Maleficent A:

The only time an abortion should be allowed if the parent has been raped.

If you get pregnent then its your fault, deal with it don't kill it.

What if the mother's life is in danger? Is a fetus' life worth more than an already breathing and sentient woman?

Even if the pregnancy is not a result of rape and the woman's life is not in danger, it is still a woman's right to have the choice of an abortion. In actuality, most abortions are not performed on "irresponsible" women who didn't try to protect themselves. Most abortions are done on women who did use protection and it failed. Contraception is not 100% effective; it can always fail. If a woman has used a contraceptive and it fails then she has a right to have an abortion as one of her choices. A woman should always have that choice.

Abortion is not as black and white as you seem to be making it. It is not a simple subject. Simply put, some women are unable to be mothers and/or to even carry a pregnancy to term. I can use myself as an example for this. If I were to somehow end up pregnant, I would probably have an abortion as I am not fit to have a child. I am not financially stable; I'm working a part-time minimum wage. I couldn't afford a child on my salary. Furthermore, I am not mentally stable. I would not be able to care for a pregnancy nor for a child. At the moment, abortion would be the best option for me. If I were forced to carry a pregnancy to term at the current time in my life, it would probably push me to suicide. Do any of those circumstances matter? Or is a fetus' life more important than a woman's life is?

Abortion is never as simple or black and white as some people might want it to be.

@ Airi.
I'm going to start of by saying you haven't changed my opionion. I stick by all the things I have said but incase you wanst getting my point ill explain agein,

ABORTION IS WRONG SOME PEOPLE EVEN GO THRU IT WITHOUT TELLING THE DAD:

What I meant by this was its the fathers baby just as much as the mothers he has just as much right to want to keep it as her. And even tho he might not carry the baby its not his fault! That's how nature works. If I was having a baby and didn't want to keep it but the dad did I would much rather have the baby and give it to its dad after it was born no way would I go and kill after knowing it could of been alive with a happy home.

ABORTION IS MURDER AND YOUR ENDING A PERSONS LIFE:

A fetus IS a baby, if it isn't then your not pregnent. When you take a pregnecy test it doesn't say FETUS its says PREGNENT there for it is a baby and when you kill that baby it is MURDER and murder is sin. And even if you haven't got enough money to care for a baby always rememeber that god even feeds the birds in the trees.

THE ONLY TIME ABORTION SHOULD BE ALOUD IS IN THE CASE OF RAPE:

And its not even right then after all it isn't the babys fault. And if they was a chance I may not survive during pregnecy that a chance I would be willing to take, what sort of mother are you if you didn't?

Also now way could I have an abortion and then go on to have kids in the futer nowing that I killed one of there brother or sister.

Aborion is never your only hope, if you can't look after a baby then give it up for adoption so sombody can love it.

@ Maleficent A
Have to say I completely disagree with most of what you've said. Just my opinion, but abortion is not always wrong. I know, personally, that if I were to fall pregnant, I'd be in absolutely no stage to have the baby. I would without a single doubt abort. I could not live in a world knowing that there was a child out there feeling loveless because it's mummy had to adopt it out to someone else, because she simply doesn't want kids right now, if ever.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting kids. I'm not an incubator, and am able to enjoy sex without needing to prepare to be a mummy. Of course, I try my absolute best to not fall pregnant for both my own sake as much as the unborn's because it's easier to stop a problem occurring before it does.

I have more sympathy for a grown woman already planted into the world than I do for an unborn fetus. I wouldn't wish rape upon anybody and if it happened to make a woman fall pregnant, I'd not be telling her she was a monster for being unwilling to have it.

@ Join the Masquerade
I agree with you about the rape part.

As for rest I don't. You say you wouldn't be able to live with yourself knowing a adopted baby of yours is out there wondering why its mommy didn't love them enough but you can live with knowing you killed your unborn child? People mess my head up sometimes. You can say anything you like to convince your self its not murder and not a baby but at the end of it all YOU a choosing to end your unborn child's life.

But people have there own opinions I guess.

@ Maleficent A

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You say you wouldn't be able to live with yourself knowing a adopted baby of yours is out there wondering why its mommy didn't love them enough but you can live with knowing you killed your unborn child? People mess my head up sometimes. You can say anything you like to convince your self its not murder and not a baby but at the end of it all YOU a choosing to end your unborn child's life.

To be perfectly frank I'm convinced that if I were to have a kid at any point from now till whenever I feel ready (if there is to ever be such a time) I'd be killing myself or hating that child forever. I'm not mother material. I'm just not. And that's fine. Not everyone is born to be a parent, just like some people are born unable to parent and feeling like that's all they want in life. BUT, my not wanting to be a parent should have nothing to do with my sexual activity as I was not put on this planet simply to have babies. If I were by some terrible chance to fall pregnant, having that baby would do everyone more damage in the long run. I value my own life over the life of something unborn.

And let's not get into the overpopulation crisis. The last thing this planet needs is more people on it, especially people that will grow up unwanted and unloved, unnecessarily.

@ Join the Masquerade
Well if that's the case love I say you should get yourself sterilised

@ Maleficent A
Wow. Because people stay in the exact same place in their mind forever. Note that I said "till whenever I feel ready" which may be a point in time someday. I may want children. But not right now. I'm in my right to have an abortion and I wouldn't feel bad about it, is all I'm arguing, because my life and personal joy is worth more to me than the life of something unborn, given that I take appropriate care not to fall pregnant.

@ Join the Masquerade
You have cracked my tiny mind right up. I'm just gonna draw a line in the sand and say your opionons should stay with you and mine will stay with me I'm not going to argue with a person who will have kill there baby just because they think to much about them selfs.

End of.

@ Maleficent A
So a person taking their emotional health into consideration when making adult decisions is selfish now?

@ stillborn.
For f*cksake I think a baby's life is much more important than a selfish adults 'emotional health'

Sorry for bad language

Maleficent A:

@ Join the Masquerade
I'm not going to argue with a person who will have kill there baby just because they think to much about them selfs.

What exactly is wrong with a woman considering her own livelihood - financial situation, career, physical and mental health - over that of a foetus that has yet to even become registered as a citizen of any society, let alone anything else?

@ Maleficent A
The thing is, a fetus is not a baby. A newborn is a baby. A fetus hasn't got a consciousness. It is not self-aware. I would feel very, very differently killing a newborn baby as opposed to a fetus, as would I think most people, because they are very different things. If given a choice of a. killing a fetus and b. killing a newborn child, most would choose the fetus over the newborn.

If I had to make the choice of killing a fetus or destroying my own and quite probably the newborn's life if/when it arrived safely into the world, I'd be killing that fetus. My life is worth more than that, and it would not be fair to raise something that wasn't wanted and cannot be supported financially, emotionally etc. into a world that already struggles to deal with people like that.