Abortion

@ sheepcat;
Well its very hard to keep your legs shut when your being raped

@ Maleficent A
It still shouldn't take a woman being raped in order to get you to show some sympathy though, and even then, if she had chosen to get an abortion, would she suddenly become a terrible person in your mind? Have you ever gone through a pregnancy or a rape?

@ CallusedSilk
If she did choose an abortion as her age I say its abserlutly fine at the and of the day she is just a child herself and I think anyone under the age of 16 should be aloud to have an abortion being as their only kids themselfs.

And no I have never went thru a pregnecy and as for the other question I'm don't really wanna anwer it.

@ Maleficent A
You didn't outline that in your original post.

Also, how is that a girl of fifteen is a child, yet a sixteen year old is an adult?
People aren't legally adults until eighteen. What makes the difference so clear cut for you?

@ sheepcat;
Ok the reason I never put that she had been raped in my post because Its non of my business and the reason I think a 15 year old is a child because at the age of 16+ you can have legal sex so this giving you the responsibility of a pregnancy

@ Maleficent A
Well now you've gone and changed the rules. Initially you made it seem like anyone, no matter what, if they ever got an abortion, was committing murder.

At 16 they have the legal responsibility of a pregnancy because they can have sex? What makes a 16 year old better equipped than a 15 year old to handle a pregnancy? Do you think a 16 year old is ready to set up doctor's appointments for themselves, handle the hormonal changes in an already hormonal body and deal with the pressure of maintaining everything? Adult women sometimes aren't even capable of it. What about in other areas? Did you know the age of consent in Mexico is thirteen? I mean, by law, a 14 year old in Mexico can have legal sex. So what does the legal age of consent have to do with physical, emotional or financial responsibility for a pregnancy?

@ CallusedSilk
So now your saying a 16 year old is responsible enough to have sex and act like woman but their not responsible enough to deal with the consequences? Maybe if they kept their legs shut until their older (or is that to hard for them?) Pregnancy wouldn't even be a problem unless ofcoars their raped and if that's the case like I said abortion should be ok in that situation

@ Maleficent A
Having sex is not the same thing as acting like an adult. Once again, cut out your judgment. Also, you keep changing what is and is not acceptable when it comes to abortion. First it was never, then it was below 16 and now it's below 16 and if it's in the case of rape.

I'm honestly sick and tired of dealing with your back and forth hateful rhetoric. You say things and then deny you ever said them or you just flat out change your mind without acknowledging it while still being hateful toward everyone around you.

I'm done with you. I'm just done.

@ CallusedSilk
Ya know I would say it but I don't want to get banded from this site instead I'm just gonna be an adult

I am sorry for thinking that killing innocent children is wrong maybe when I do settle down and get pregnant I should have an abortion 'just in case I go homeless or something'. I am also sorry for putting my cultures beliefs out there just in case it offended anyone I am sorry their not my beliefs just my culture. I'm sorry for letting people change my mind about some thing on abortion like how are teenagers meant to cope with pregnancy that's why I said anyone age 16 or under should be aloud but being as you don't like me changing my opinions than I shall go back to the start and say nobody should have an abortion no matter what. I'm also sorry for defending my own personal beliefs.

Please please please forgive me for thinking that killing innocent babies is wrong.

:l

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Maleficent A:

Maybe when I do settle down and get pregnant I should have an abortion 'just in case I go homeless or something'.

No one's saying that. If/when you get pregnant it will be your decision what to do. However, what people are simply pointing out is that the same freedom of choice should be given to all women - whether because they were raped, or because they're financially unstable, or physically/mentally unprepared for child-rearing - no matter why.

I know it's easy to think that it's "selfish" for a woman to abort, but really, in many cases a woman could actually be thinking about the possible life of a child. A woman who didn't have enough money to raise a child, for example, might be horrified at the idea of bringing that child into the world with little or no chance of a good, healthy upbringing.

And hey, even if it could be argued that a woman is being 100% selfish in her decision to have an abortion, that's okay too, because it's her uterus, her body and her life. Yes, a potential life is in the equation, but so is a complete, already-formed, non-potential one.

@ Maleficent A
It was valid to the point you were making and so that you didn't contradict yourself.

Just because someone is of a sexual maturity doesn't mean they are of a mental and emotional one. Hell, if you wanted to get down to it girls are technically sexually mature when they first get their periods, but you don't see eleven and twelve year olds swanning around with pregnant bellies. I think sixteen is a reasonable age to be legally able to have sex, but that doesn't mean I think everyone should be having sex on their sixteenth birthday or having babies nine months later.

Sexual maturity =/= emotional and mental maturity, nor does it equate to "have babies now and if you end up pregnant accidentally, whoops".

Also just because someone is of sexual maturity in the eyes of the law doesn't mean they aren't also classified as a child. A legal guardian still has jurisdiction over most aspects of that individual's life; hence they are not legally an adult. Case in point, I'm of sexual maturity and I have a legally adult boyfriend. If my legal guardian were to change their mind about allowing my relationship it would, for all intents and purposes, be "illegal", regardless of if my boyfriend and I engage in sexual activities. I am not allowed total control over all facets of my life until eighteen.

@ Maleficent A
I have a documented mental disorder and have to go off my meds if I get pregnant. That is a medical condition that could make me want to kill myself and a fetus. So it's okay to kill myself and a fetus but not just the fetus?

Murder is defined as requiring malice. Abortions are not malicious. Most women experience relief after having an abortion. Most women have another child at home when they get an abortion. Most women use birth control jn the month of becoming pregnant. Most women who get multiple abprtions are in abusive relationships.

Please tell me this is a joke.

@ valerie;
^ wow...

I don't understand how men can think it okay to introduce laws that exclusively negatively effect women.

@ Join the Masquerade
“just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it.” Get real.
Can't believe some of the comments supporting this

@ valerie.
What is wrong with a father wanting to care for his unborn child, exactly?

Maleficent A:

@ valerie.
What is wrong with a father wanting to care for his unborn child, exactly?

Nothing per se, but the idea that a woman should be required by a man (or anyone for that matter) to continue with a pregnancy she does not want to continue with, that's what's wrong.

@ Maleficent A
Nothing, if he doesn't take a woman's body hostage to do so.

Maleficent A:

@ valerie.
What is wrong with a father wanting to care for his unborn child, exactly?

There's nothing wrong with a male wanting to take care of the child once it's born. However, there is everything wrong with stripping a female of her rights and forcing her to become nothing more than a human incubator. Females are not merely incubators who should have their bodies held captive because someone forced them to. Women are human beings with rights and emotions. This bill is not about a male wanting to take care of their child and it helps no one. This bill is about stripping women of their reproductive rights and lowering their status. This bill is about controlling women.

If a woman wants to talk abortion over with the father of the fetus then that will be her choice. If she doesn't, however, then she should not be forced to. Why? It is her body. Simple. A man does not get to force a woman to give up her body and carry a fetus she does not want for nine months. There is nothing right or justified about that. There isn't anything right or justified about this horrible law and the others like it.