Religion and Homosexuality

  • delirium.

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    That's what I don't get. I know my view on God is far from normal and I get a lot of hate for it, but I just don't understand why people say that God "hates" whatever. He LOVES people, it doesn't mean He won't be disappointed by how we act, but because of Jesus God won't hold out sins against us. From what I've gathered, He will always love me, regardless if I'm sexually active, pansexual, nosexual, whatever, same goes for others. Shifty Just my view on it though.
    June 8th, 2013 at 11:54pm
  • Park Jimin

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    @ Gollum G' Bunny
    I agree so much. As you may have noticed, I'm pretty shameless and straight forward when it comes to sex. I've had a lot of people call me a dirty whore because I'm pansexual and I don't feel the need to hide the fact that I'm interested in kink. First of all, the omnipresent slut shaming makes me cringe. And second, why would God hate me and condemn me to hell just because I like getting spanked when I do the deed?
    This whole mentality is just a really duma attempt at making people feel guilty about enjoying sex. You know, getting a penis up your vagina is such a sin and all Facepalm
    June 9th, 2013 at 12:07am
  • delirium.

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    I was actually watching a documentary the other day on Lucifer/Hell and it went on about the Seven Deadly Sins that people love to talk to, and how those are man made because of this priest who wanted to make everything worldly sinful. Shifty So, lust has never been something I find too sinful. Not to mention people seem to forget that the bible has changed and so as of now it is behind us, the only reason it can't be "updated" is because if anyone said, "Yo, God talked to me last night and he said that sex is okay" they would think he's done drugs. Shifty I personally think, that sex shouldn't be on everyone's mind, who I have sex with, how I have sex is none of anyone's business but mine and my partner, and the only one who can judge me is my partner and God, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't sit outside my window like, "oh-uh, she let him cuff her, going to the pits of hell now..."
    June 9th, 2013 at 12:11am
  • Park Jimin

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    @ Gollum G' Bunny
    Guh I just feel like punching a baby donkey everytime someone condemns any form of sexual freedom. I've had people tell me that I should get an abusive bf/husband to fullfill my BDSM needs. Like... I am unable to can. So, we're supposed to have sex only when we want children and we must do it in the dark and in missionary's position with the lights out and then never ever talk about it. Yeah, I'll get right on that File
    June 9th, 2013 at 12:26am
  • delirium.

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    I don't get the whole "you need an abusive husband/bf" if you like to have rough sex... I don't want to be abused, I just like things rough. Shifty Also,only if you want children, not everyone CAN have children, so are they not supposed to have sex EVER just because of their body not being able to produce/handle the stress of a child? I mean, me personally, I don't even know if I can, so just because of that I shouldn't be able to get intimate with the person I am attracted to/love? Shifty
    June 9th, 2013 at 12:29am
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    @ Gollum G' Bunny
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    You should never experience sex or masturbation and you should stop reading those nasty stories by Kinki Jinki aka the Lucifer. Save your soul, woman!
    June 9th, 2013 at 12:41am
  • delirium.

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    I'll enjoy what I want. Hurhur. Though, like I said I don't understand people's fascination with other's sexuality, especially from a religious standpoint. Shifty If you don't agree with something don't look at it. That's how I feel, though I do realize it's not always that easy.
    June 9th, 2013 at 01:07am
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    @ Gollum G' Bunny
    Exactly! How is it relevant for society that I like rough sex? It literally doesn't make the smallest difference.
    June 9th, 2013 at 01:16am
  • folie a dru.

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    People who use Jesus/God as an excuse to justify their discrimination and judgment of homosexuals (or anyone) are, in my opinion, committing the sin of blasphemy by putting themselves on an equal level of God, saying they are worthy of judging people as He is.

    Blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin (to Protestants).
    June 9th, 2013 at 02:29am
  • Fly_you_foolz

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    @ dru's not growing up
    Only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

    But I agree that people shouldn't be judging homosexuals, especially christians (don't really know about other religions). They aren't God. James 4:12 ------> There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you – who are you to judge your neighbour?
    June 12th, 2013 at 03:01am
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    You know, getting a penis up your vagina is such a sin and all Facepalm
    Can we not spam a homosexuality thread with PIV? I realise people who are attracted to the opposite gender face various social strictures but these are entirely different from the many and layered issues that gay people face and it would be absurd to pretend society doesn't by and large celebrate man-lady relations.
    June 12th, 2013 at 07:57am
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    @ Fly_you_foolz
    Yes, but for people who genuinely believe that homosexuality is a sin and that people need to repent of it [and believe that if they don't repent they will go to Hell], and aren't hateful about it, it can be disheartening for them if they have family members or friends who come out. It can actually be quite a devastating experience.

    Of course, discriminating and judging aren't the same as being genuinely anxious for a family member/friend who comes out. But, the outcomes and actions taken can appear the same.
    September 13th, 2013 at 07:17pm
  • youme.atsix

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    I have my own difficulties and struggles when it comes to my faith and religion but in this particular argument, I believe the following ;

    If I'm going to believe in God, then I have to believe that He is all about love. He loves us, and he wants us to love each other.
    On that thought - I believe that God created homosexuality because how can loving someone be a sin when that's something that God has asked of us?
    September 26th, 2013 at 06:06am
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    @ youme.atsix
    And the Bible says love "comes from God". If it's love, it's of God. It's that simple.
    September 26th, 2013 at 04:20pm
  • Peponi

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    What religion are you and what effect does your religion have on your opinion of gay people, gay rights, gay behaviors, etc?

    I'm Christian and I'm for gay rights. I think God loves us all unconditionally and he didn't write the Bible, man did. He wouldn't create homosexual people, just so he could hate them.

    Do you think religion is one of the main barriers of gay rights?

    Yes. Not the actual religion, but individuals who take God's word out of context in order to preach hate.

    What do you think of gay marriages in a church? Should they be allowed? Should they not? Under what circumstances should they be allowed?

    Ummm. That's a tough question. I think it's up to the individual church. I'm for gay marriage, however I don't think any church should be forced to perform it if they don't want to.
    October 11th, 2013 at 07:47pm
  • memphisveil

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    I'm more of a deist than anything. Which is basically just a belief there is/was a God that created us but doesn't govern our lives and whatnot. I find it hard to believe that any god (one that controls most of the happenings on earth) who would let small children and babies get cancer and illnesses that kill them could really have any say in who someone loves.

    I mean, people were given the ability to love the other. And people say that God may hate the sin but still love the sinner. (Also, my parents weren't very religious so I've never been raised in a religious home so I don't exactly know all the facts. So kindly, do not attack me. That's just my opinion from a not exactly educated on religion stand point. But I mean, I think what I said makes sense.)
    October 12th, 2013 at 06:39pm
  • This.Useless.Heart.

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    This is a subject I have struggled with recently. I just... I can't conceive of the idea of a loving God condemning someone just for loving someone, and I have trouble believing that same sex attractions come from the devil or anything like that because, I mean, it involves consenting adults. And I mean, I experience same sex attractions and to me it has never felt any different than my attractions to men. I mean, in my own case, I have recently concluded that I can't act on my same sex attractions, but that's because I'm married, which would make those acts/attractions lust; this is something I struggle with at times, but I think that it's right for me to avoid them.

    And I know when it comes to others, well, that's between them and God, and it isn't my place to worry too much or to judge or anything like that, but somehow I can't help but worry over it at times. Being supportive of LGBT+ people and believing that it isn't wrong or sinful has been one of my core beliefs for a long time, and I fear changing that. But I have people telling me basically that I should. Not that I should become intolerant of the people (well, some might tell me that, but they aren't anyone I would respect or listen to because being intolerant and/or hateful of people is entirely unchristian.) And I know there are LGBT+ people who are Christians and I know there are resources for LGBT+ Christians and I do want to look into more of them, but at the same time I have such fear and anxiety that these resources are false teachings and that all along I have been wrong and that I am still wrong for trying to cling to my old beliefs and justify them. I am worried that by trying to cling to such principles and to look for resources to provide relief for all my anxieties related to the topic that I am, in fact, looking too much to "the world" when I should look to God or "The Word".

    But at the same time, I worry so much because, well, my husband and I want kids someday, and I used to be so sure of the fact that if we had a LGBT+ kid they would be fine and be blessed with great and accepting parents. As my husband goes further down the path he feels God is leading us, I have seen him change in his views on this; he's still nice and tolerant and all that towards people but he thinks it is a sin to have same sex attractions. I know he wants and expects me to eventually reach this conclusion, but so far the only conclusion I've reached is that, in my heart, it doesn't feel right to think of it as a sin-- I don't know whether that feeling is coming from me, the world, or God, but I feel it and I don't know what to do about it-- and that I may never know for sure and that I'll just have to be content with the fact that God doesn't want me to understand. In that way, I force myself not to think about it, but I fear someday I will have no choice. What if we have a gay kid? I know for a fact I will never love the kid less and neither will God and I believe my husband wouldn't love them less either, and that's the most important thing and I'm thankful that I know that much, but still I never wanted to be a parent that was anything less than totally accepting and the idea of being that way just... doesn't sit right with me.

    I wish I could be as sure of everything as I was the last time I posted in this thread 6 years ago when I called myself a Christian despite not really understanding half of anything nor really being saved. Also, sorry for this post being so long and rambly, but I needed to vent and this is the only place I have found that I felt truly safe to (outside of discussions with my husband that have ultimately ended the same enough times that I am, admittedly, discouraged with discussing it with him and resigned to not doing so, for the most part.)
    May 15th, 2017 at 11:39pm
  • LeonaH

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    It's OK to be gay
    January 12th, 2018 at 01:55pm