Religion and Homosexuality

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    ^Actually I think I've refrained myself well quite a bit. I didn't even point out anyone in particular, and no bad words were used. So get off my back, irrational omnipoliteness isn't the site's particular rule and I'll be impolite as much as I like.
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    Would I be going too off-topic here if I were to mention the WBC? :shifty There's a separate thread for them, but...
    One of the arguments they use which tends to annoy me slightly is that homosexual relationships aren't loving in the way that heterosexual relationships are, and that homosexuality is more about lust and dirty sex. I really feel like that's them trying to link the sin of promiscuous sex with homosexuality and it really turns out to be a weak argument.
    May 26th, 2009 at 09:52pm
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    ^Actually I think I've refrained myself well quite a bit. I didn't even point out anyone in particular, and no bad words were used. So get off my back, irrational omnipoliteness isn't the site's particular rule and I'll be impolite as much as I like.
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    Impoliteness isn't really courteous or respectful, to be honest.

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    Would I be going too off-topic here if I were to mention the WBC? :shifty There's a separate thread for them, but...
    One of the arguments they use which tends to annoy me slightly is that homosexual relationships aren't loving in the way that heterosexual relationships are, and that homosexuality is more about lust and dirty sex. I really feel like that's them trying to link the sin of promiscuous sex with homosexuality and it really turns out to be a weak argument.
    Many people (Not tring to be mean, but Christains) say they woun't judge a person by race,gender,religion etc. but yet everyday they do. They come up to me saying I'm going to hell because I'm Gay and I'm a Wiccan Witch. To me They are the ones going to hell(even though I don't believe in Hell or Satan).
    May 26th, 2009 at 10:07pm
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    Ok, well it's pretty hard to remember everything when I have to reply to like five people at a time. But...don't think your listening either, or else you'd understood what I said.

    Im saying it's perverse.

    I'm a Christian, doesn't matter denomination, we're all supposed to be of one body and spirit.

    My moms a minister, and she ministers to me, of course I'd regurgitate it. Don't talk about anyone you haven't been exposed to
    Because my mom and my pastor would leave all you guys cry, and that's the truth.

    I'm not going to waste my time on bigots.
    Well, this 'incest' relation is going to get me to heaven.

    Yes, God loves everyone, but children of God are Christians, not, sinners.

    Everyone judges, even if they don't mean it, Christians aren't supposed to but,
    everyone human, right?

    All the insults, wow, you don't know me, neither I you. What's the point?

    This is my last reply, nice argument, though. Bye
    May 26th, 2009 at 11:54pm
  • folie a dru.

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    Cresent_Moon_126:
    Im saying it's perverse.
    Okay, so now we're clear.
    You're saying it's perverse.
    God isn't.
    May 27th, 2009 at 12:38am
  • Xsoteria

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    Xsoteria:
    ^Actually I think I've refrained myself well quite a bit. I didn't even point out anyone in particular, and no bad words were used. So get off my back, irrational omnipoliteness isn't the site's particular rule and I'll be impolite as much as I like.
    Rules:
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    Impoliteness isn't really courteous or respectful, to be honest.

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    Would I be going too off-topic here if I were to mention the WBC? :shifty There's a separate thread for them, but...
    One of the arguments they use which tends to annoy me slightly is that homosexual relationships aren't loving in the way that heterosexual relationships are, and that homosexuality is more about lust and dirty sex. I really feel like that's them trying to link the sin of promiscuous sex with homosexuality and it really turns out to be a weak argument.
    Yes and I've respectfully refrained myself.
    As for homosexuals, I have different experiences. I happen to know a few and most are about sex and lust. They sort of gather up on the internet and when I asked what's the community like, turns out it's mostly about swapping 'personal' pictures and meeting up for some short term very sexed up relationships.
    I'm not saying all of them are like that, and probably there's plenty of those seeking more emotional fulfillments, but just putting another perspective on this. And also, I don't think that pursuing mostly sexual relationships is a bad thing. When you look at it, most straight people go through that phase around highschool or college and maybe a few years after. It's easier for them to find partners and just live out their sexual life whatever way they want. Homosexuals have a lot less to choose from, are probably sexually deprived and most are probably living out that same phase.
    May 27th, 2009 at 02:41am
  • kafka.

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    Xsoteria:
    As for homosexuals, I have different experiences. I happen to know a few and most are about sex and lust. They sort of gather up on the internet and when I asked what's the community like, turns out it's mostly about swapping 'personal' pictures and meeting up for some short term very sexed up relationships.
    omgno:
    I've never heard of a straight person who had found partners for one-night stands through dating sites.
    Or a straight person who had short term very sexed up relationships in general.
    Xsoteria:
    I'm not saying all of them are like that, and probably there's plenty of those seeking more emotional fulfillments, but just putting another perspective on this. And also, I don't think that pursuing mostly sexual relationships is a bad thing. When you look at it, most straight people go through that phase around highschool or college and maybe a few years after. It's easier for them to find partners and just live out their sexual life whatever way they want. Homosexuals have a lot less to choose from, are probably sexually deprived and most are probably living out that same phase.
    It's the most absurd thing I've heard in a long while.
    Mainly because being straight doesn't automatically mean you're going to get a lot of sex in high school and college, and secondly because sex is not like food- you have a lot of it for a while and then get tired/sick of it.
    May 27th, 2009 at 06:16am
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    Alexface.:
    Would I be going too off-topic here if I were to mention the WBC? :shifty There's a separate thread for them, but...
    One of the arguments they use which tends to annoy me slightly is that homosexual relationships aren't loving in the way that heterosexual relationships are, and that homosexuality is more about lust and dirty sex. I really feel like that's them trying to link the sin of promiscuous sex with homosexuality and it really turns out to be a weak argument.
    That's just ridiculous. The only reason homosexuality could be seen as being more promiscuous is because sex CANNOT be for making children. It is only for pleasure. I can see that being sinful, but still, it's not like the relationship automatically has less love involved.
    Xsoteria:
    Yes and I've respectfully refrained myself.
    You haven't, really. I find the remark you made to be closeminded and stereotyping. It was actually quite offensive, and didn't add anything to the discussion. Yes- you could have pointed out specific people to demean, and I thank you for not doing that, but regardless, your remark was insulting and disrespectful. Please be aware of the board rules. That sort of thing is not tolerated.
    Xsoteria:
    As for homosexuals, I have different experiences. I happen to know a few and most are about sex and lust. They sort of gather up on the internet and when I asked what's the community like, turns out it's mostly about swapping 'personal' pictures and meeting up for some short term very sexed up relationships.
    I'm not saying all of them are like that, and probably there's plenty of those seeking more emotional fulfillments, but just putting another perspective on this. And also, I don't think that pursuing mostly sexual relationships is a bad thing. When you look at it, most straight people go through that phase around highschool or college and maybe a few years after. It's easier for them to find partners and just live out their sexual life whatever way they want. Homosexuals have a lot less to choose from, are probably sexually deprived and most are probably living out that same phase.
    I have to ask, what sort of gay people do you know/how old are they?
    Because I have three gay friends, none of which are promiscuous.
    I can understand people that don't care about sex (gender) being promiscuous, especially the ones who are blatantly open about their sex preferences, but most homosexual people, especially in high/middle school, are very quiet about it. Think for a moment, if everyone knew a guy was gay, what would their behaviour be like in gym? They would act like an unattractive girl was there, and be awkward about it. Being gay is not easy, especially in high school. I don't see that it automatically makes you a slut; in fact, I would imagine that it makes people more shy. Also- why are straight people automatically slutty too? Honestly- plenty of people do not go through that "I WANT SEX, and I'll take whatever I can get." phase.
    Cresent_Moon_126:
    I'm not going to waste my time on bigots.
    Well, this 'incest' relation is going to get me to heaven.
    Something illegal, wrong, and holding the possibility to bring seriously deformed or diseased children into the world is acceptable in the eyes of god, but a loving relationship between two adults is not? Does this not seem completely ridiculous to you?
    Cresent_Moon_126:
    Yes, God loves everyone, but children of God are Christians, not, sinners.
    No. As a friend of mine said: "God loves us now, wretched as we are, as he loved us when we were perfect in the garden." God doesn't care. Sinners are still Gods children. Why else would we have confession and absolution? We beg for forgiveness and repent our sins. And we can do this because God loves each and every one of us, and wants us to stop sinning. He still loves sinners, but He does not want them to sin, and if they were to stop, He would love them all the same.
    Cresent_Moon_126:
    Everyone judges, even if they don't mean it, Christians aren't supposed to but, everyone human, right?
    But being gay isn't a shortcoming, a part of being human(I don't see it as a shortcoming, or a bad thing, personally)? Yes, christians judge, and yes, that's natural, but the basis for your judgement is the same basis for your tolerance. Base your judgement on something else, not the book of love.

    Oh-- and I'm curious, is pansexuality being attracted to anyone, regardless of gender/other things?
    May 27th, 2009 at 07:53am
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    Oh-- and I'm curious, is pansexuality being attracted to anyone, regardless of gender/other things?
    Yeah, that's right.
    May 27th, 2009 at 09:31am
  • Xsoteria

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    You haven't, really. I find the remark you made to be closeminded and stereotyping. It was actually quite offensive, and didn't add anything to the discussion. Yes- you could have pointed out specific people to demean, and I thank you for not doing that, but regardless, your remark was insulting and disrespectful. Please be aware of the board rules. That sort of thing is not tolerated.
    I could have repeated some of the points others made but then I would be just repeating what others already said which is silly, so I summed up my opinion in a sentence. Sure I could have elaborated a long boring text full of repetitive arguments in order to prove the absurdity of some, unnamed posts but I chose a more direct approach and while others said the post was "stupid" in a much more eloquent, romanticized way, I chose to be direct. Being direct isn't rule breaking. Neither are stereotyping and close-mindedness.
    TheStrokes:
    I have to ask, what sort of gay people do you know/how old are they?
    Because I have three gay friends, none of which are promiscuous.
    I can understand people that don't care about sex (gender) being promiscuous, especially the ones who are blatantly open about their sex preferences, but most homosexual people, especially in high/middle school, are very quiet about it. Think for a moment, if everyone knew a guy was gay, what would their behaviour be like in gym? They would act like an unattractive girl was there, and be awkward about it. Being gay is not easy, especially in high school. I don't see that it automatically makes you a slut; in fact, I would imagine that it makes people more shy. Also- why are straight people automatically slutty too? Honestly- plenty of people do not go through that "I WANT SEX, and I'll take whatever I can get." phase.
    I know two, 20 and 21 years old. I never said they're like wearing homo-badges around, I said they are very promiscuous. I don't see how being quiet in high school and meeting up with online people to have sex is related. Straight people aren't slutty by default, but take a stroll through a college campus, and don't find a room with shagging going on. It's that age that people are 'slutty' if you will.
    kafka.:
    It's the most absurd thing I've heard in a long while.
    Mainly because being straight doesn't automatically mean you're going to get a lot of sex in high school and college, and secondly because sex is not like food- you have a lot of it for a while and then get tired/sick of it.
    No it doesn't mean that, but it does mean that you are more likely to get a lot more random sex than a homosexual person, on random parties birthdays whatever. Going wild in this age is something that does happen to the majority of kids/young adults. And I didn't mean sex is something a person gets tired after a while, I meant the intensive change of sexual partners is something you get fed up with, after which you settle down.

    Also I should mention (again) that this is according to my experience and this may be some offbeat trend, but it is happening, and I don't know why is it so outrageous that there are gay people out there crazed with sex. Saying they're all into deep emotions and falling in love, being shy and whatever is also stereotyping. I just wanted to put another perspective to that but obviously this is the most absurd thing some of you ever heard of, and quite impossible, since you know, homosexuals don't have sex drives.
    Oh and I'm not saying anything about lesbians, I'm not as familiar with their sexual habits.
    May 27th, 2009 at 01:37pm
  • radio with guts.

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    omgno:
    I've never heard of a straight person who had found partners for one-night stands through dating sites.
    Lool, I have a friend that did that.

    Sorry.

    /off topic

    To be quite frank, Xsoteria, I wouldn't call certain Christians' excuses for stuff any more idiotic than atheists' (ever seen Zeitgeist?), or even any other religion.
    :XD
    The world is full of stupid people, so no need to be picking on just the one religion.
    In addition to that, I would like to point out the redundancy of Xsoteria's "gays are sluts" comment, because it isn't backed by evidence or statistics, and let's face it, who cares?

    I'm agnostic, but my parents are both Christians, and I'm pretty sure they focus on the whole Jesus-loves-you-so-be-good-to-your-neighbours thing, as opposed to just Scripture.
    This topic is quite relevant to something that's happened here in Scotland.
    The Scots Kirk appointed a gay minister and everyone's going crazy.
    Here's an article if anyone's interested.
    May 27th, 2009 at 01:55pm
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    ^Lol "gays are sluts comments"? :|
    May 27th, 2009 at 02:05pm
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    Just being concise. :coffee:
    May 27th, 2009 at 03:22pm
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    Cresent_Moon_126:
    Yes, God loves everyone, but children of God are Christians, not, sinners.
    Christians aren't sinners?
    Everyone's a sinner.
    "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", remember?
    Everyone's a sinner.
    Any Christian with one brain cell should know that.
    God loves everyone, no exceptions, no fine print, no trial period.
    God loves unconditionally.
    That's the entire basis of the Christian faith (and all other religions in general): love.
    I'm sorry, but if you think this way and your mother is a minister? I would never want to be caught dead in your church. I don't know what Bible you're learning from, but... you should trade it in for one of the Christian ones.
    May 27th, 2009 at 06:00pm
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    Cresent_Moon_126:
    Yes, God loves everyone, but children of God are Christians, not, sinners.
    Christians aren't sinners?
    Everyone's a sinner.
    "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", remember?
    Everyone's a sinner.
    Any Christian with one brain cell should know that.

    God loves everyone, no exceptions, no fine print, no trial period.
    God loves unconditionally.
    That's the entire basis of the Christian faith (and all other religions in general): love.
    I'm sorry, but if you think this way and your mother is a minister? I would never want to be caught dead in your church. I don't know what Bible you're learning from, but... you should trade it in for one of the Christian ones.
    There's actually a lot of Christians who claim that they no longer sin. They say it's because Jesus said to go do no more sin, and so they don't do anything sinful (or so they say).
    May 27th, 2009 at 07:09pm
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    Oh and I'm not saying anything about lesbians, I'm not as familiar with their sexual habits.
    Uh, what?

    You make lesbians sound like a sub-human species, tbh. Lesbians are people are have the same sexual habits as all other humans. And since when have all humans had sex in the same way? Right, they don't. Neither do lesbians. It's a bit disrespectful to talk about people in that way.
    May 27th, 2009 at 07:33pm
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    Oh and I'm not saying anything about lesbians, I'm not as familiar with their sexual habits.
    Uh, what?

    You make lesbians sound like a sub-human species, tbh. Lesbians are people are have the same sexual habits as all other humans. And since when have all humans had sex in the same way? Right, they don't. Neither do lesbians. It's a bit disrespectful to talk about people in that way.
    Lol yeah ok you misunderstood. I only meant I don't have personal experience with lesbians, so I wanted to separate the male homosexuals I mentioned in the post from any potential female ones that may think I was referring to them. And even if I did, I wasn't generalizing - I was merely bringing up an isolated case which I personally am familiar with. So no sub-humanization of lesbians or anything on my side.
    May 27th, 2009 at 08:30pm
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    Something else about religion and homosexuality... isn't the reason that gay marriage is prohibited in a lot of countries because of religious beliefs? Well, it's as Druscilla said; Christianity doesn't say anything about loving, monogamous, homosexual relationships as being a sin. How come people haven't realised that?
    May 29th, 2009 at 12:21pm
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    ^ It kinda does.

    1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

    However, in the New Testament, Jesus says to love everyone, 'cause we're all sinners, and such like. So it's generally thought that the anti-homosexuality thing is antiquated, and had more to do with politics and what people thought at the time.
    May 29th, 2009 at 03:26pm
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    radio with guts.:
    1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

    However, in the New Testament, Jesus says to love everyone, 'cause we're all sinners, and such like. So it's generally thought that the anti-homosexuality thing is antiquated, and had more to do with politics and what people thought at the time.
    Well, 1 Corinthians is New Testament... but:

    Although "homosexual" is a very common translation, it is almost certain to be inaccurate:
    - If Paul wanted to refer to homosexual behavior, he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males.
    - The second term is "arsenokoitai" in Greek. The exact meaning of this word is lost. It seems to have been a term created by Paul for this verse. "Arsen" means "man" in Greek. So there is no way that "arsenokoitai" could refer to both male and female homosexuals.

    Remember, Paul lived in Rome where Romans were torturing Christians and killing them. The Romans had wild orgies and were not ashamed of having sex with men (in public, no less). This is where I personally believe politics comes into the Bible.
    May 29th, 2009 at 06:08pm
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    ^ It kinda does.

    1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
    Well, what's wrong with that?

    Anyway, that should probably be 'effeminates', even though the noun doesn't make much sense. It still sounds better than the adjective. I'm not sure if you copy/pasted that from the Bible or if it was just a typing error. It's never occured to me to correct the Bible's grammar before.
    May 29th, 2009 at 07:01pm