Writing About the Wives and Kids

kafka.:

Again, if anybody had a problem with the fanfiction that was written about them they would just sue, which, up to this date and as far as I know it, has never happened.

I doubt it, really. Think of it from their point of view. Frank Iero: I can just ignore it the best I can even if I dislike it, or I can sue and suddenly attract a lot of unwanted hate from a sh*tload of my fans. Just because they might not like it doesn't mean they'd then be willing to sue; it just might not be worth the possible backlash. (Also, please note I'm just using Frank as an example; the MCR guys have already said they don't really care, and "at least the fans are being creative," etc, minus Toro's, "Stop making us have sex with each other," thing.)

sobre mi cadaver:

Peter Pan, the boy committed suicide after having troubles with drugs and alcohol.

The character thing might have been a part of why he killed himself, but you also have to remember - Peter Llewelyn Davies' brother had died, Peter was in poor health as it was, and he'd also just found out that his wife and their three children had Huntington's disease. I'm sure all of those things contributed, and not just that.

Jinxeh:

kafka.:

Again, if anybody had a problem with the fanfiction that was written about them they would just sue, which, up to this date and as far as I know it, has never happened.

I doubt it, really. Think of it from their point of view. Frank Iero: I can just ignore it the best I can even if I dislike it, or I can sue and suddenly attract a lot of unwanted hate from a sh*tload of my fans. Just because they might not like it doesn't mean they'd then be willing to sue; it just might not be worth the possible backlash. (Also, please note I'm just using Frank as an example; the MCR guys have already said they don't really care, and "at least the fans are being creative," etc, minus Toro's, "Stop making us have sex with each other," thing.)

Did Frank Iero actually say that or are you just assuming that what he thinks?
If writing about their children/wives is so distasteful and has such horrible consequences in real life, I don't see why everybody (or at least, the majority of fans) wouldn't be on his side. Not to mention that the whole statement makes him sound like he treasures fame more than his family's well being, and if this is the case, stories shouldn't bother him in the first place since they fuel his fame.

^I don't think writing about bands family members is causing any actual harm to them. As long as we keep it respectful.

Jinxeh:

I said it wasn't a serious ramification, just embarrassing. And yes, I also said it was Twitter, and fic. The person who Tweeted that OC account was a reader, and was playing along with the story. You're making this all way too black-and-white, and ignoring the points I'm making because of small technicalities.

Well, those wouldn't apply to people who don't use Tweets for their characters or something.
And that really also doesn't have to do with the wife or the kids.
Like, I've written about Joey and Jakob, like I've said, but I didn't tweet as them or anything so I fail to see how your example would apply to me or people who don't tweet as their characters.
If you put something out there as fact, even though you know it's not, that makes it open to a different sort of interpretation than simply writing a story and blatantly labeling it "fan fiction".

kafka.:

Again, if anybody had a problem with the fanfiction that was written about them they would just sue, which, up to this date and as far as I know it, has never happened.

In the case of real person fanfiction (specifically slash) only one cease & desist letter has ever been issued and it was by some sports team guy. So it is quite possible.
In the case of other fanfiction (books, usually) multiple cease & desist letters have been issued. (Anne Rice was one of them.)
And the sites who host this stuff will generally adhere to the cases of cease and desist letters (fanfiction.net, for one) because if they continue to host it, they can be sued.

druscilla feels.:

kafka.:

Again, if anybody had a problem with the fanfiction that was written about them they would just sue, which, up to this date and as far as I know it, has never happened.

In the case of real person fanfiction (specifically slash) only one cease & desist letter has ever been issued and it was by some sports team guy. So it is quite possible.
In the case of other fanfiction (books, usually) multiple cease & desist letters have been issued. (Anne Rice was one of them.)
And the sites who host this stuff will generally adhere to the cases of cease and desist letters (fanfiction.net, for one) because if they continue to host it, they can be sued.

I didn't say that it was not possible, just that I wasn't aware of the fact that it has actually happened.

kafka.:

druscilla feels.:

kafka.:

Again, if anybody had a problem with the fanfiction that was written about them they would just sue, which, up to this date and as far as I know it, has never happened.

In the case of real person fanfiction (specifically slash) only one cease & desist letter has ever been issued and it was by some sports team guy. So it is quite possible.
In the case of other fanfiction (books, usually) multiple cease & desist letters have been issued. (Anne Rice was one of them.)
And the sites who host this stuff will generally adhere to the cases of cease and desist letters (fanfiction.net, for one) because if they continue to host it, they can be sued.

I didn't say that it was not possible, just that I wasn't aware of the fact that it has actually happened.

Oh, no. I wasn't trying to imply that. I just wanted to point out that very few real person figures fiction is being written about care, obviously.
I just like searching the ins and outs of the legality of fanfiction. That way I can spout it off when necessary.

druscilla feels.:

Well, those wouldn't apply to people who don't use Tweets for their characters or something.
And that really also doesn't have to do with the wife or the kids.
Like, I've written about Joey and Jakob, like I've said, but I didn't tweet as them or anything so I fail to see how your example would apply to me or people who don't tweet as their characters.
If you put something out there as fact, even though you know it's not, that makes it open to a different sort of interpretation than simply writing a story and blatantly labeling it "fan fiction".

I'll just say it again: technicalities. Black and white. Open your mind up a bit, and try to see what I'm actually talking about here.

It isn't just fic, it's fandom (or bandom; whichever term floats your boat, I guess). My characters' Twitters are extensions from a fic I write, and I use them to follow my plot and remark upon their own "current" situations. They are a part of my fic, even if they're not here on Mibba. When I'm writing them via Twitter, I'm still writing, even if it's not in the traditional fic sense. It's all connected. There were ramifications from the Twitters, thus ramifications from writing the fic, especially since the cause of the issue was one reader of said fic just going a bit too far, and catching the attention of a friend of said band member.

Just because it doesn't apply to you personally doesn't mean it doesn't apply at all.

Jinxeh:

Just because it doesn't apply to you personally doesn't mean it doesn't apply at all.

But whether or not it could ever apply to me could affect my opinion.
The fact that it couldn't apply to me means it has no bearing on my opinion.
(I'm not saying this for all of my opinions. Simply for this one.)

It's weird. I don't want to write about Genevieve Beckett in stories. (Will's daughter.) I'll give him a daughter, but change her name and stuff. But I'm okay with writing about Bronx Wentz.

^ I agree. I can't ever even remember seeing Genevieve in a story, actually, although I think that's actually a good thing. If William decided to hide her for so long, he obviously doesn't want her in the public eye now, which is why I'm mostly not comfortable with writing her.

I generally don't write stories that give me the opportunity or require me to add the kids/wives, but when I do I mostly just mention them (although I will write the wives in more depth). I'm more comfortable with writing the wives in depth when they're actually...more famous in their own right, I suppose? I'm perfectly happy to write Lyn-Z, Alicia, Ashlee and Adrienne, mostly because they did at least have some degree of 'fame' before they married their respective husbands, or are famous in their own right now.

dance little liar.:

^ I agree. I can't ever even remember seeing Genevieve in a story, actually, although I think that's actually a good thing. If William decided to hide her for so long, he obviously doesn't want her in the public eye now, which is why I'm mostly not comfortable with writing her.

I actually started a Rockett with Genevieve in it, but I never finished it. And I probably would have just changed the name. I think maybe it does go back to that. He wanted to protect her. Not that the other celebs don't want to protect their kids, but he went to lengths to do it.

I'm not a fan of the stories that circle around the kids, personally, but I don't mind seeing the kids as supporting characters. I've done that. I think it's interesting because I prefer canonical stories. And I've no problem writing the girlfriends, period.

When I write fan-fics, I usually try to keep them AU.

I have the utmost respect for the RP's spouse (Adrienne, Alicia, Lindsey, Jamia, etc.) and kids (Joey and Jakob, Bandit, etc.) But, I can't really bring myself to write about them. I don't know why, I just can't. It just doesn't feel right and I don't know why. I mention them in passing, they show up in a scene or two in the story, and that's pretty much it.

I don't mind reading about it, but... I don't know. The RPs aren't REALLY that person, they're characters based OFF OF that person. So why shouldn't they have their own fictional continuity to go along with them?

That's my personal view. Feel free to disagree.

^
When I write the real people, with the exception of Z Berg, they tend to be secondary characters. Z Berg is in a band though (Ryan Ross's girlfriend) so it's not really like she's a "regular" citizen.

I'm fine with bring them up and in, especially if it's canon-based, and I plan to write a fic about Pete and Bronx, but I don't like the fics where it's about Bronx as a teenager or whatever. I'm not saying people should write it, but I don't want to read it. (I don't want to read about Pete's made-up teenage son as a lead either though.)

^ I agree. I don't like "regular" people or the children as the protagonists or main focus of the story. I was on a LiveJournal community the other day, and someone requested a story about Frank Iero's twins going on their first double date. I was really surprised that no one called them out on it; that, to me, is taking it too far. His twins aren't even one yet. That just isn't something I'm comfortable with.

dance little liar.:

^ I agree. I don't like "regular" people or the children as the protagonists or main focus of the story. I was on a LiveJournal community the other day, and someone requested a story about Frank Iero's twins going on their first double date. I was really surprised that no one called them out on it; that, to me, is taking it too far. His twins aren't even one yet. That just isn't something I'm comfortable with.

I don't have a problem with others writing it. I just don't want to read it. But a lot of communities I'm a member of on LJ have rules against it. People like that are only allowed as background characters unless they're well-known in their own right (Lyn-Z, Alice Way, Keltie Colleen).

I know this topic is dead but I just wrote a blog/journal on the topic and thought I would post some of the relevant bits here. This also might discuss family members...

I used significant others and kids and shit a lot in my Fueled By Ramen fandom because I developed a love of canonical fanfiction. I wrote Keltie, Sarah, Jac, and Audrey into multiple fics and they generally were good or neutral characters. Jac may have been a bitch a few times, but she did cheat on Ryan IRL so ... y'know... it fits real life! I really don't like Keltie or Sarah, but they were generally good characters because that's how I perceived them to be or what I needed for my stories. I adore Audrey and I wrote a hardcore smut of her and Brendon, which was insane to do for me. XD

I used Ashlee and Pete a lot and I wrote about Bronx. I didn't write any fics about Bronx being 15 and falling in love with Bandit Way. Generally he's a very minor character 'cause he's a kid, but writing canon means you write about real shit. I did hear a lot of My Chem fans got upset when fics about Bandit appeared within days of her birth. I personally don't see the appeal of writing about the kids and I can see why it would be upsetting to people, but these are such imaginings when you're thinking about a baby being a 15 year old that it's not really... anything, y'know?

I just think you should use real life people as needed, treat them like any other character, and don't make them one-dimensional bitches. I don't want to know how you feel about the character in reading your story; I want to know how your characters feel about the character. I want your character to feel real and natural. I don't want you to insult the men/women you are hooking this one-dimensional bitch up by insinuating that they would allow themselves to be treated horribly or that they are so stupid they can't see the person is evil. C'mon. If you have respect for the people you write about, then think about what an idiot you make them look like when they date a one-dimensional bitch like that.

I think it's okay as long as people are tasteful about it. I think it would be highly inappropriate to write about someone having relations with their real life kid, but if you're simply writing them with the relationship they have currently, I think it's okay.

I think writing about the wives/spouses is an especially touchy subject because in real life, they're constantly subjected to such hatred for something as innocent as being in love with the band member in question, and having said member's affection in return. So when you see them being portrayed in such a nasty light, you can't help but associate it with the hate campaign against them, no matter what the author's intentions are.

Me personally, I won't use them unless they are with someone outside of my pairing, and they stay with them throughout the duration of the story. Since my stories are slashes, I find it pointless to put them in a relationship with someone from my pairing since the readers all know that 99% of the time, the guy is going to pick the other man over her.

Then again, I do have a strong dislike for side characters who start off in a relationship with the main character/love interest, and are only destined to become disposable exes and/or create drama. But it's worse to me when a real life wife is projected onto that role.

As for the kids, I just don't bother with them.