Suicide

I think it shouldn't be overlooked, though, that not all depression/suicide is due to environmental causes. Growing up I was suicidal multiple times (first time I was 8) and I had a relatively nice life. I had two parents in the same house, wasn't particularly poor, lived in a nice town, was only mildly bullied once (it was hard but relatively insignificant in the long-run). However, I have clinical depression that is rooted inside me. It will most likely be something I always deal with, no matter what is happening around me.

well just cus you cant get it now doesnt mean you should give up i've waited a while

I think suicide can be selfish but I can understand that suicidal people are usually messed up and think there's no other way out. There are so many reasons why a person might commit suicide. In my opinion, I find it awful that people would kill themselves but I don't blame the person themselves. Many people don't seem to understand it and just don't take it seriously enough.

I would never do it myself, no matter how depressed I am, because I wouldn't be able to hurt anyone like my family or friends. But the only reason I see it this way is because I used to be in a relationship with someone who was pretty unstable. He'd threaten to kill himself whenever we had a fight or I even came close to saying I was leaving, because he blamed himself for everything and didn't consider his life to be that important. I might have thought he was just lying when he threatened it but I'd seen him attempt it before, so I believed him. And I can't even explain how painful a situation like that is. I would never want to put anyone through the grief he put me through.

It's terribly sad when someone kills themselves and while I think it is unintentionally selfish, I don't think they should be blamed. It's just going to give more pain to the family and friends when they're already mourning. I wish it was more understood and that it would be accepted if someone wanted help. I find most people shy away when someone admits they're suicidal, which just makes things worse.

(...I hope that all made sense.)

It all made sense but I also don't think you can ever say that you'd never kill yourself until you've been in such a suicidal situation. I used to say that when I was younger but later attempted suicide. What you don't realise is how completely ill a suicidal person is. It's not just being a bit messed up, it's a serious disease. Rationality and consideration go out the window because the only thing you can focus on is the unbelievable amount of pain you're in.

I suppose you're right; I can't really say that I'd never do it, though I'd like to think I wouldn't. A few years ago, I was actually really depressed and attempted suicide, though before that I never once thought I'd end up like that. Because of my own experiences, I consider myself less likely to attempt suicide later in life - but then, who knows what my future will be like?

I think that's why suicide may be thought of as selfish - like you said, the only thing they can focus on is the unbelievable amount of pain they're in. They don't think of anything else but their pain; they're basically trapped in it every moment of the day. That's why I think of it more as unintentionally selfish, because it's a mental illness and it's not their fault they're in so much pain.

@ imbalance
I looked up the definition of "selfish" and it generally appears to read something along the lines of "Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure."

Since super depressed people don't really experience pleasure and are rarely concerned with their own personal profit, I disagree that it could be considered selfishness. Generally, a suicidal personal feels everyone and the world will be better off without them, therefore they're placing others before their own life.

I can't say that's selfish. I can say it's mentally unsound, but not selfish. It doesn't fit the definition.

You have a good point. I suppose it just depends on the person and the situation.

I attempted in high school, didn't succeed obviously. I'm not going to go into it. Now I see how precious my life is, plus I have an amazing little girl that needs me and makes me see the good in life. I could never leave her, nor would I ever want to. =]

Well, Euthenasia is very controversial. You put a dog down when they're suffering. Why wouldn't you put a person down as well? Yes, there is heartache and greif, but would you rather have them suffer just so you could have them around a little longer? That's completely selfish. I've been there. If there is no chance of recovery then I say it should be a decent way to end a life.

From a religious standpoint God loves everyone. Gays, Transgender, Decrepit. Everyone. Someone who is not in the mental capacity to handle reality and the dealings that come with it, is not exempt from his love. We were put on this earth to have free will, and through the Antonement Christ washed us from our sins. Even those who don't follow him. Taking a life is a sin, yes. But we are open to the freedom to do what we want with our own lives. Yes, there is right and wrong... and no matter what we do we will always be affecting someone else... (and we all have our views on what's right and what's wrong.) but no one REALLY knows what God is thinking, or how he is thinking. Those that are suicidal are also depressed. Depression is a form of mental illness. The mentaly unstable, or mentaly disabled are loved just as much as those who are not.

I believe that when they take their life, they will be in Gods arms. They will finaly have relief from all the suffering they've endured through this life, and will be at peace.

You always hear about kids in school who have hurt themselves. It turns into a joke because it's..almost.. glamorized. Girls will come in showing off the cuts on their wrists and compare the depth of their scars. I do believe self harm of any kind is very serious, and should always be looked at that way. It's hard though, when it has become such a trend, to tell between real pain and fake. I have been at the lunch table and seen a person notice a scratch on someone's arm and say, "Did you cut yourself?" out loud. It's disgusting. People will hear that somebody did it and gossip about it like it's funny. It's not. Everybody has heard the "I'm gonna go slit my wrists because I am so upset!" "Or don't cut yourself, emo!" I don't find that amusing, either. Think about what you say before you say it, please. I understand that there is a great amount of ignorance about all of that. Unless a person has dealt with an experience that either they, or someone else they are close to has gone through, they are most likely oblivious. The people who makes those jokes aren't bad people, they are just uneducated. Personally, I believe the state of mind you have to get into to hurt yourself is a very dark place, no matter what the reason for doing it is. Most people don't realize: Cutting is an addiction. Whether it's started for attention or other reasons, it will be hard to stop. If you are a cutter, try methods like drawing or writing. Hold an icecube in your hand whenever you get the urge to hurt yourself, or cut up pieces of paper or cardboard, not your skin.

As for suicide, I have never personally had to convince someone not to do it. Actually, I was in a relationship last year where the guy would always tell me he was going to kill himself in order to control me, and then he would not talk to me for the rest of the night, leaving my mind to wander. Needless to say, that was rough. It was hard because I couldn't tell my parents or the police because I knew he was lying, but there was always the off chance that maybe he'd do it, and I would never forgive myself.

My advice to anybody who is seriously suicidal is to get help immediately. Find something you love to do, and do it. That will give you a chance to feel important. Everybody has demons. Everybody ges depressed and feels like they aren't worth it. You are.

On that note, if any body ever needs to talk, I'm here for that. Just send me a message.

I'm currently apathetically suicidal for reasons that have nothing to do with depression/chemical imbalance. I just think the government/world sucks and it's not going to get better, so I don't really see the point.

It's definitely different than being suicidal because I'm depressed.

@ dru chases the wind.

It's why I'm serious about writing my Encyclopaedia.

I could have been suicidal when I was younger, or I could have just been a very dramatic and upset, lonely and depressed teenager. When times get tough I find myself recollecting on my teenage years and thinking about how I felt and approached difficult situations, I was a mess. I felt that the entire world was on my shoulders and that everyone was against me. It was horrible, the most upsetting period of my life to date. I'd love to talk to my boyfriend about how tough my teenage years were, I think it's help him to understand my state of mind. It's not that he thinks I'm unbalanced or unstable, but he does know that I react easily.

Life =D

I am mildly suicidal.
I say "mildly" because I know I'm not going to attempt for a while. My reasons are controversial and numerous. The simplified version is that I see myself as an auxiliary person. I am aware of how my loved ones will hurt if I just up and die. It's because of that reason that I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait until they're gone from my life. Once I'm sure that no one will cry over me, then I'll die.

As for what comes after death, unlike what I've seen most people say, I hope there's nothing after this. If I go to hell for rejecting Christianity, then so be it.

As for Euthinasia (I can't spell) I've heard things along the lines of "If they want to, then let them." and "If they're in so much pain that they can't live, why should you force them to?" In the end, it is their choice.

But I find it a bit hypocritical (still can't spell) that such comments come after ones that are calling suicide selfish, unwise, or deplorable. People hurt. How much they hurt, only they would know. I'd suggest that people who never were sucidal or never have known a suicidal person keep their minds open and not have their opinions set in stone, so to speak.

That's all for now.

dru's troubled soul:

I do not want to get old.
I use to tell myself I would kill myself by the age of fifty because I am that terrified of getting old.
. . . I still think about it on occassion.
Finishing up my affairs, telling people what's going to happen, saying my good-byes, and then killing myself.
Is that type of suicide any different?

And, yeah, I'm a selfish bitch, whatever.
I have illogical fears. I am fully aware of this.

I might sound crazy, but I could see why. Some people care very, very much about how they appear, and if they continue to get older, they just don't like how they look. Also, people feel as if because they are getting older, they are not as mobile and cannot do as much activities.

Shirrin:

I am mildly suicidal.
I say "mildly" because I know I'm not going to attempt for a while. My reasons are controversial and numerous. The simplified version is that I see myself as an auxiliary person. I am aware of how my loved ones will hurt if I just up and die. It's because of that reason that I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait until they're gone from my life. Once I'm sure that no one will cry over me, then I'll die.

Why do you want to die?

@ treat02

treat02:

I might sound crazy, but I could see why. Some people care very, very much about how they appear, and if they continue to get older, they just don't like how they look. Also, people feel as if because they are getting older, they are not as mobile and cannot do as much activities.

I think about this too, I mean, killing myself when I get older. Why would you want to live when you're ugly, can't do most of the fun things anymore, even sex may be too much trouble or not work out anymore. And then you get sick or weak from your age and you're only burdening your family. Even if it's not the case, you'll probably feel that way. It's not only about appearance.

Really, why would a person still wish to live that way? Might just finish things off way before all trouble starts, when life stops being satisfying or rewarding. If death is part of your life, why shouldn't you be allowed to consciously choose your time to go?

@ treat02
Call it unreasonable if you like, but I feel that anything and everything I have done and will do can be done by someone else much better. If it makes it any clearer, I feel like a "cookie cutter" person, so to speak. There's nothing unique or any other synonym of that about me. Now I sound like one of those people who're desperate for attention and pity.

@ Shirrin
That makes sense. Like, if you're just taking up space and you're not even enjoying it, what's the point? NOT THAT I THINK YOU'RE JUST TAKING UP SPACE. I don't know you but I'm sure in some way, however small, you are or will in the future effect(ing) a positive change in the world in your own way. I just mean that I understand the sentiment, and I don't think it's an inherently attention-seeking one. It's really difficult to see the point in bothering with living when you don't have a sense of purpose or usefulness.

@ battalions
Yes. About that affecting positive change in the world bit, that's where my someone else can do it better bit comes in. It isn't even people who are trained in said feild that I'm thinking of here. Just, some random person off the street could do it better, and feel better about doing it or even just want to do it.