Suicide

I don't have the opinion of wanting to kill myself when I'm older now. 50 is SO YOUNG!

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However, I am suicidal. I want to die on a daily basis. I'm not in danger of committing suicide because I could never abandon my mother, but when you're as poor as I am and it seems like nothing is getting better, sometimes you just want out.

@ Filth in the Beauty

That is...

No, sorry but no.

That is horrifically ageist.

@ The Master
I don't think she's implying all of those things apply to all old people, just that if they applied to her why not entertain the idea?

If I were really old and a burden to everyone and couldn't even move out of bed by myself, I might consider it.

The youth consider age a death sentence. I know I did. It takes a lot of growing up and real world experience to understand 50 is that old and, really, 70 isn't either.

@ The Master
Why do you think this is so egoistic? I'm assuming here it is because I'll be hurting people close to me with my death?

Well, we all lose people we love at some point in our lives, it happened to me already and I can tell it hurts. A lot. The pain is still there and it will never leave, I agree. Anyway, we all go on with our lives and it's not like I'll never be happy again because I lost someone important to me.

Also, I'm not the last thread holding anyone to their life. If I was (and if they aren't my children who still need my support), then it would be a very unhealthy relationship. That's how I see it.

@ Filth in the Beauty
She said 'ageist', as in prejudice against people based on their age.

@ dru is ready.
wow. Completely misread that.

It's what you said then.What I said applies only to me, not to all old people.
If a person is old and enjoying their life, then good for them. I wouldn't tell anyone to kill themself.

@ dru is ready. @ Filth in the Beauty

Filth in the Beauty:

Why would you want to live when you're ugly, can't do most of the fun things anymore, even sex may be too much trouble or not work out anymore. And then you get sick or weak from your age and you're only burdening your family. Even if it's not the case, you'll probably feel that way. It's not only about appearance.

Really, why would a person still wish to live that way? Might just finish things off way before all trouble starts, when life stops being satisfying or rewarding. If death is part of your life, why shouldn't you be allowed to consciously choose your time to go?

It certainly doesn't sound as if it's personal. It does kinda sound that you're asking people over some unspecified age "Why are they bothering?". It does rather imply that as soon as you're unfit or too old then you're being a burden and that your life is not worth living. (There are also hints that if you're no fully capable of living independently then what's the point which has rather unpleasant tones to it. Of course, you're not saying it outright and interpretation is a bitch but you can see my point).

What kinda throws me is the last bolded part though. Since when has life been satisfying or rewarding?

@ The Master
See, I think it sounds completely personal and not at all like 'old people should all just kill themselves'. More like people should be able to decide when they want to die.

@ The Master
I'm sorry if my post wasn't clear. My point there was: I don't see life after a certain age as attractive, I don't wish that to myself and I consider killing myself before I get there. And yes, I think it's mine and everyone else's right to choose whether it's time to quit or not.

The Master:

What kinda throws me is the last bolded part though. Since when has life been satisfying or rewarding?

It depends on the person, I think. For me, life must be fun and/or rewarding. If it's not, I'd rather kill myself. Why would I want to be alive then? To suffer? Well, this is just not really my cup of tea.

I've tried killing myself numerous times. Anything from cutting to running onto a busy main road with oncoming traffic.

Shit, I'm still depressed most of the time, but I realize if I tried to off myself now, my daughter will have to go her whole life without knowing her mother.

when I was in England, a teenage boy jumped in front of the train we were riding back to the hotel and died. everybody was making jokes and complaining about how annoying it was that we'd be stuck there for a while. all I could think was how they needed to clean his body off the tracks. he wasn't a person with a body anymore. his parents were on their way down to find out they'd never see him again.

I've been suicidal in varying degrees of severity before, failing twice- but never thought of it so realistically as I did then.

AndTheStoryGoesOn:

Taking a life is a sin, yes. But we are open to the freedom to do what we want with our own lives. Yes, there is right and wrong... and no matter what we do we will always be affecting someone else...

In this viewpoint, how do you account for people who are physically incapable of understanding the consequences of something as extreme as suicide? Though the person has free well, how do you religiously factor in the fact that they have cognitive disabilities that don't allow them to fully comprehend the decision they're making? In any religion, is God more forgiving to those who are bodily incapable of understanding the negative results of their actions, but less so to those who realize the hurt that they'll inflict, yet go through with it anyways?

I come to that question a lot.

@ charming.
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