The "F" Word

  • Captain Violence

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    It's just a word. What matters is the intent behind it. If someone is using the term in a pejorative manner, I don't approve. Otherwise, it's a word.
    July 1st, 2011 at 04:45am
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    But the majority of African American people who use the N word do so as a term of endearment. A word is only demeaning or degrading if you let it be.
    I know this is a little late but you've got that a little wrong. I am African American myself, and me and my brother (we're the only two with black in us in the house) call each other the 'N' word frequently just messing around. We both think it's hilarious. On my dad's side of the family (Af.Am.) the people that say it, they don't say it as a bad thing from what I've heard. They say things like... "What's up n*gga?" or "How's it going n*gga?" The people that I know don't say it as a bad thing unless someone ratted out on them, or betrayed them in some way. When an Af. Am. says it to a person, it's usually because that person is black. It's is 95% of the time not used in a degrading term. Let me know if I didn't understand your post right. Think

    Now back to the 'F' word. I say the 'F' word, but I learned that when you say gay or call things gay, people take more offense. My opinion on it is kind of torn between it being offensive, because my cousin is gay, and just being a term of use to something that is dumb, but some people that use it don't really think that gay people are dumb. It's just a saying that people use. Kind of like the word Epic. Does that make sense?
    July 3rd, 2011 at 09:57am
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    Now back to the 'F' word. I say the 'F' word, but I learned that when you say gay or call things gay, people take more offense. My opinion on it is kind of torn between it being offensive, because my cousin is gay, and just being a term of use to something that is dumb, but some people that use it don't really think that gay people are dumb. It's just a saying that people use. Kind of like the word Epic. Does that make sense?
    I'm weird in that sense. I don't really call things gay and get much more offended if someone says 'that's so gay' as opposed to 'what's up, fag'.

    I think it's because we all know 'fag/faggot' is supposed to have negative connotations, however gay does not. It's like deciding that calling things 'white' or 'black' in a mean way is okay. There's nothing wrong with the word gay, no negative connotation, so I don't like it when people affix one.
    July 5th, 2011 at 05:59pm
  • Nirvash Type TheEND

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    If you're going to get your panties in a wad when someone uses it as a slur against you, don't use it as a term of endearment towards yourself and others like you.

    It's not that hard to figure these things out.
    July 7th, 2011 at 05:28pm
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    If you're going to get your panties in a wad when someone uses it as a slur against you, don't use it as a term of endearment towards yourself and others like you.

    It's not that hard to figure these things out.
    Why? Doesn't make much sense to me.

    If someone jokingly punches me in the arm it's not the same as me punching someone hard in the face. intent can be a deciding factor.
    July 7th, 2011 at 05:37pm
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    Why? Doesn't make much sense to me.

    If someone jokingly punches me in the arm it's not the same as me punching someone hard in the face. intent can be a deciding factor.
    Faggot I love you. You see that? I just used a slur and got away with it because my 'intentions' weren't to use it as a negative term. However the fact remains, that I just used a slur.
    July 7th, 2011 at 05:57pm
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    Faggot I love you. You see that? I just used a slur and got away with it because my 'intentions' weren't to use it as a negative term. However the fact remains, that I just used a slur.
    I really only consider slurs to be slurs when they're used as slur. To me, a word itself is neither good nor bad. It's the intent.
    July 7th, 2011 at 06:40pm
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    I really only consider slurs to be slurs when they're used as slur. To me, a word itself is neither good nor bad. It's the intent.
    And this is why double standards exist kiddies! Facepalm
    July 7th, 2011 at 07:05pm
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    And this is why double standards exist kiddies! Facepalm
    It's nothing to do with a double standard. It's to do with gray areas. You can't say that something is something 100% of the time. If you like oranges, you can't say oranges are delicious 100% of the time. What if you find a rotten one? Is it delicious? No.

    It's about using common sense.
    July 7th, 2011 at 08:15pm
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    "Faggot, often shortened to fag, is a pejorative term and common slur used chiefly in North America against homosexual males. Its pejorative use has spread from the United States to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world through mass culture, including movies, music, and the Internet."

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    July 7th, 2011 at 08:30pm
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    Faggot I love you. You see that? I just used a slur and got away with it because my 'intentions' weren't to use it as a negative term. However the fact remains, that I just used a slur.
    If you'd said it to me you wouldn't have gotten away with it. Neither would anyone who isn't my very close friends. To me it doesn't just depend on the intention but who says it. If a stranger says it to me in a kind manner I'm still not saying it's okay, mainly because they can't possibly know that I'm okay with it.

    And as Dru said, I fail to see the double standard.

    It's like, I don't mind if I myself say "can't wear that shirt, too fat", but if someone else says it to me then it's insulting.
    July 7th, 2011 at 09:27pm
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    "Faggot, often shortened to fag, is a pejorative term and common slur used chiefly in North America against homosexual males. Its pejorative use has spread from the United States to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world through mass culture, including movies, music, and the Internet."
    Have words always had the same meaning or always meant what they mean in one time period? No.

    (I would also watch the way you're speaking in the debate threads. It could be considered insulting which could earn you a ban. I may not agree with what you're saying, but I'll at least debate with respect instead of talking to you like you're a moron. Somewhat ironic that you think it's wrong to use a slur, but think it's okay to talk down to me like that.)
    July 7th, 2011 at 09:36pm
  • golden.

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    I'm weird in that sense. I don't really call things gay and get much more offended if someone says 'that's so gay' as opposed to 'what's up, fag'.

    I think it's because we all know 'fag/faggot' is supposed to have negative connotations, however gay does not. It's like deciding that calling things 'white' or 'black' in a mean way is okay. There's nothing wrong with the word gay, no negative connotation, so I don't like it when people affix one.
    Yeah, you have a very good point there. Think I have to agree.
    July 7th, 2011 at 11:13pm
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    it's not about the word, it's about the context in which the word is said!

    July 11th, 2011 at 03:43am
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    Dude, Chris Rock is awesome.

    But back to the point. Its the same way with words like 'hoe', 'slut' and 'whore'. Some of my girl friends use those words as terms of endearment and I don't mine it. Its about the intent.
    July 11th, 2011 at 04:09am
  • ThePiesEndure

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    It's interesting no one else has brought up some other definitions of the word faggot.

    the original definition of faggot.

    Faggot - — n
    1. a bundle of sticks or twigs, esp when bound together and used as fuel
    2. a bundle of iron bars, esp a box formed by four pieces of wrought iron and filled with scrap to be forged into wrought iron
    3. a ball of chopped meat, usually pork liver, bound with herbs and bread and eaten fried
    4. a bundle of anything

    — vb
    5. to collect into a bundle or bundles
    6. needlework to do faggoting on (a garment, piece of cloth, etc)

    [C14: from Old French, perhaps from Greek phakelos bundle]

    Also in the 1500s it was a derogatory word for woman.

    So, to join the discussion 'faggot' is just a word, it's the intention that goes with it that determines whether it is offensive or not.
    July 12th, 2011 at 07:08am
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    I think cigarette was mentioned. And I know 'faggot' can mean a bundle of sticks but no one really uses it that way.
    July 12th, 2011 at 04:57pm
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    ^ It's only "fag" that's synonymous with a cigarette in Britain, not the whole word "faggot". :)
    July 12th, 2011 at 06:33pm
  • ThePiesEndure

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    I think cigarette was mentioned. And I know 'faggot' can mean a bundle of sticks but no one really uses it that way.
    True, that, but I'm just making the point that it's the usage of the word that makes the difference.
    July 13th, 2011 at 08:44am
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    I think cigarette was mentioned. And I know 'faggot' can mean a bundle of sticks but no one really uses it that way.
    I read about how the nickname "faggot" came about and it's horrible. Apparently in the middle ages, homosexuals were tied together and set on fire.
    November 23rd, 2011 at 05:56am