The "F" Word

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I read about how the nickname "faggot" came about and it's horrible. Apparently in the middle ages, homosexuals were tied together and set on fire.

That's a myth.

Faggot was originally a derogative towards women, particularly old, poor women who made a living from collecting firewood to collect a meager wage.

Whilst there was some in the very early millennium who did punish people with that, it is not the derivative of the word and nor has Britain took part in burning homosexuals. We did have it punishable by death (but the method of choice in Britain for all death was hanging).

I've got no problem with the word. I never have. I hope I never have to resort to having a problem with the word. I call my friend a faggot all the time, she calls me a faggot - we know it's done with good intention. Neither of us are hurt about it, and she's a lesbian.

If I were to use it maliciously, I'd understand the hurt. The same way in which words can be hurtful if they are ordered to be.

I think it doesn't just depend on who says it, but how they do. I say "faggot" a lot - both when teasing a friend and sometimes when referring to a gay person. But I have nothing against gays and everyone who knows me knows it. I would never say it to hurt someone. I think though it is rather iffy you can usually tell when someone means it hostilely versus casually.

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(If there is another thread, I apologize. I did not see it and I thought it should be brought into attention)

I don't know about anyone else, and I don't try to represent anything or anyone's opinion.

I only represent my own.

The "F" Word I am referring to is 'Fag' or 'Faggot.'
Generally used to describe LGBT people. Yes, in the UK it stands as cigarette, but I am talking about the usage of the reference.

The main issue I want to bring up is, should LGBT people be able to refer themselves and others as 'Fags'?

In my opinion, You shouldn't be able to say "Don't say fag" and then refer yourself/others as one. It's a double standard, and I take offense whether it's LGBT or straight people saying it. I don't care if people think it's 'awesome' or an exlcusive-LGBT word... it still has a negative ring.

Fag is a demoralizing word.

What's your opinions? Comments? Input?

Its only a word. If someones being double standard about it, and saying that you can't say it but they can, then there is a problem. But I don't see anything wrong with the word itself, its only offensive if you let it be.

So, to equate, what about a more common word? Take 'ugly' for example. If someone called you ugly, is that only offensive if you let it be?

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[To add on.] Or, also, what about the "n" word? Is that only offensive if one lets it be.

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So, to equate, what about a more common word? Take 'ugly' for example. If someone called you ugly, is that only offensive if you let it be?

But of course. Call me ugly and I'll go 'Orly?' and go about my daily business because I'm not going to bother wasting precious moments being upset because someone discovered the word ugly in their vocab box. The same if someone called me greedy, fag, creep etc,. for being bisexual. The 'orly' comes out again, owl face included.

If you're offended by that word, then you're offended however, some people just aren't bothered about insults.

I think if one group of people can say it, all groups of people should be allowed to say it.
This goes for "fag/faggot" or "nigger".
It's hypocritical to allow one group of people to use a term, but not all groups of people.
Also, these terms are meant differently in different situations; it's not always meant to be offensive.
I think it comes down to the situation, not necessarily the type of person saying it, whether they be gay or straight.
However, if you don't think everyone should have the right, then no one should have the right to say it.
Perhaps that's just my opinion.

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I think everyone should have the right to say 'fuck' and 'shit', but I also don't agree that everyone should be able to use those words whenever they want in whatever situation they want.

I say 'bitch' all the time and so do most of my friends, but if I walk down the street and go up to a woman and call her a bitch, that's wrong.

That's how I view these words. Sure, you can say them whenever you want, but I would exercise a little caution as to how and when you use them because even if you have the right to say them, people have the right to react.

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I think if one group of people can say it, all groups of people should be allowed to say it.
This goes for "fag/faggot" or "nigger".
It's hypocritical to allow one group of people to use a term, but not all groups of people.
Also, these terms are meant differently in different situations; it's not always meant to be offensive.
I think it comes down to the situation, not necessarily the type of person saying it, whether they be gay or straight.
However, if you don't think everyone should have the right, then no one should have the right to say it.
Perhaps that's just my opinion.

It does boil down to context but if you use the word then make sure you can deal with the consequences if someone does get offended with it's use. I don't really get bothered if dyke is used around me - I don't especially like the term because I always think of a ditch when it's used and that connotation is not one I enjoy - but some would and to the extent that they'll say (or do) something is up to that person. It'll be your own fault if you end up getting lectured or slapped across the face.

not saying that it's right or anything but that's human nature. If you say anything that could be offensive then you ought to be able to deal with the person or people you offended and defend yourself adequately. It goes for anything - religious jokes, swearing...

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It does boil down to context but if you use the word then make sure you can deal with the consequences if someone does get offended with it's use. I don't really get bothered if dyke is used around me - I don't especially like the term because I always think of a ditch when it's used and that connotation is not one I enjoy - but some would and to the extent that they'll say (or do) something is up to that person. It'll be your own fault if you end up getting lectured or slapped across the face.

not saying that it's right or anything but that's human nature. If you say anything that could be offensive then you ought to be able to deal with the person or people you offended and defend yourself adequately. It goes for anything - religious jokes, swearing...

I agree with you.
I feel I should add that I wasn't inferring it was okay to use those words at all.
The problem is that even if a person doesn't mean it in a certain context, it can still be taken as such.
With that being said, you're absolutely right that they should be willing to deal with whatever consequences come from using those words.

If I hear the word "dyke" I'm going to be thinking of a ditch now, too.
Off topic, I love your sig.
That made me laugh.

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I think everyone should have the right to say 'fuck' and 'shit', but I also don't agree that everyone should be able to use those words whenever they want in whatever situation they want.

I say 'bitch' all the time and so do most of my friends, but if I walk down the street and go up to a woman and call her a bitch, that's wrong.

That's how I view these words. Sure, you can say them whenever you want, but I would exercise a little caution as to how and when you use them because even if you have the right to say them, people have the right to react.

I don't think they should be allowed to use it in whatever situation they want either.
I just don't think that one person should be allowed to use certain words in a certain context with no consequence and another person is not allowed to say those same words in the same context.
It definitely depends on who you're saying it to, you're right.
Saying it to any random person could cause some mayhem, for sure.

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I agree with you.
I feel I should add that I wasn't inferring it was okay to use those words at all.
The problem is that even if a person doesn't mean it in a certain context, it can still be taken as such.
With that being said, you're absolutely right that they should be willing to deal with whatever consequences come from using those words.

If I hear the word "dyke" I'm going to be thinking of a ditch now, too.
Off topic, I love your sig.
That made me laugh.

I know I avoid saying a few choice words around my mates because I know they don't like that particular word. But yeah. It is very context dependant.

It just...annoys me when people use a word and when they get told off for using it, they whine about it. It's just with a few people I've noticed it but yeah.

As for dyke...I think it's because of where I live. There's a lot of places like Coatdyke and there's a Dyke Road and stuff. I mean...I wasn't really aware of the alternative meaning until I saw Mean Girls so...yeah.

Thanks btw.

In all honesty, I don't think its wrong for members of the GLBT community to call themselves 'Fags', 'Dykes', etc. because in my opinion its like someone who is African American calling another African American the "N" word. They don't get upset if someone of the same ethnic background says it, but if someone who is white, Asian, etc. says it everyone is in an up roar.

So to me, its the same thing. Although I prefer not to be called a 'Fag' or 'Faggot' I can't tell other Gays they can't call each other that. So in the end its all about personal ideals.

But I must say, its funny that straight people get the most upset when someone calls another person a 'fag' rather then the other person, who may or may not be gay.

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I know plenty of gay people who get upset with the use of the word fag/faggot, but I know what you mean.

My sister was no where near as upset as me and my brother were when she was harassed for being transgendered. People expect shit to happen when they come out, prepare themselves for it. Others don't.

But I wouldn't say it's funny if a gay person says not to say the word faggot. I would say it's commendable that they respect people with a different sexual orientation than they're own.

It's used way to much and it has a negative meaning. I'm not gay, but I hate when people say it. Like, find other words to express yourself please!

I think if someone wants to try and change the meaning of it within the community then I wish them luck with it, but I feel it might be a losing battle.

Also, when I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be a debate about the word 'fuck' and I was prepared to talk about how much I love that word.

The 'F word' we're discussing is one I don't like.

You wanna know what I hate about that word? When people use it (usually straight people, just from experience), and then when they rightfully get called out for it, they go "oh no no, when I use faggot, I mean someone's being a bitch or an asshole. It has nothing to do with gays."
Yes it does. You know it, and I know it. Whoever uses it in that context (or at least whoever made it up) is just trying to remove the original meaning to avoid any responsibility when they get accused of being a bigot. I'm not saying that necessarily means they're homophobic (ignorant, maybe), but that still doesn't make it acceptable because, come on, you can't use the "F-word" as a derogatory insult and not even have the smallest understanding of where it came from and why it's so offensive. If you're going to call someone a bitch or an asshole, then call them that. I'm just gonna say this; the F word does not mean either, and it never will no matter how many times you try to justify it.

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