I don't see Atheism as a passive trait, you are actively rejecting religion. Okay, so you can say veganism is caused by their religion, but so is the Atheists' diet in that they can eat whatever they want. It is because they are Atheists that they can eat whatever they want. It's because they aren't Jewish, because they aren't Muslim and so on.
- Kurtni:
- The difference being is that religion is a causation, where as atheism is not. My diet is not caused by atheism, my marriage was not caused by atheism, where as some Hindus consider their veganism to be directly caused by their religion. Where as atheism is a passive trait, religion is an active trait with active effects or consequences.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Going back to your first point and the second quote, you said you have to 'adopt' this system of beliefs in order to be included. That suggests that everybody starts off Atheist (thus it being the 'normal' and 'right' set of beliefs) and then turns religious which is not true. Before you come to it, yes everyone is born an implicit atheist but as I said before, I'm talking about explicit atheists who have consciously rejected religion thus adopting their own beliefs that gods and such do not exist.
- Kurtni:
- I said, quote "Atheists are all very different," how could I be implying they're the "norm" when my entire post was about the lack of unity between atheists? That doesn't make sense.
Yes but a Baptist raised child is affected (although I suppose indirectly) in that they don't practise Muslim culture, the same way that an Atheist child doesn't practise Muslim culture.
- Kurtni:
- The fact that individual religions are different doesn't matter. A kid being raised as a Baptist isn't affected by Muslim culture, but they are affected by Baptist culture and fundamentalism for example. Its not as simple as believing in God or not, but adopting an entire style of life based on the unsubstantiated beliefs of your parents.
Again, you can either see it as nobody 'adopts' their beliefs (unless they convert when they are old enough to make a conscious decision) or that everybody (except implicit atheists) adopt their beliefs. Religion did not come out of explicit Atheism or at least not in the minds of those who are religious.
December 11th, 2013 at 11:38am