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  • Ayana Sioux

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    @ Fandango
    Although pravda. explained enough, I just want to put a little bit of my two sense in.

    For one, I feel as though you have little to no interest in even investigating what we're telling you about the judicial system and it's racism in America because if you did, I'd like to believe that you would have researched it by now and not ask us these questions.

    Two, you yourself (if where you live is accurate) live in a racism, and biased system that actually slightly replicates some of America's past (and even a little bit of it's present) so I don't understand why you seem so surprised by it.

    Three, America has always had race issues especially towards African Americans. It's imbedded in the history and it's been this way for a long time. I just want to advise you to look more into the racism as a whole in American regarding race crimes, racial discrimination, race trials and etc.
    Also, something I learned a long time ago, white Americans actually commit more drug crimes than African Americans, however we're incriminated more for those crimes.

    Also, the war on drugs is just a way to further ruin African American communities because the people who're cracking down on it know damn well why African Americans sell drugs, but they don't want to fix that problem, they want to fix what some of us are using to get by. That's why it's flawed and extremely racist to an extinct that most wouldn't recognize.
    February 1st, 2013 at 05:30pm
  • kafka.

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    Fandango:
    Quite frankly, if somebody robs me/kills my family/rapes my sister, I won't give a flying fuck if they're white, black, pink, orange or blue, nor will I think twice about their family. Just putting that out there.
    You're white, right? 2/3 of POCs in prison in the US right now are there because for nonviolent, victimless crimes - usually drug possession or prostitution - they haven't robbed, killed or raped anyone.
    February 1st, 2013 at 05:40pm
  • Fandango

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    Ayana Sioux:
    @ Fandango
    For one, I feel as though you have little to no interest in even investigating what we're telling you about the judicial system and it's racism in America because if you did, I'd like to believe that you would have researched it by now and not ask us these questions.
    I'd love to know why questions I asked offended you so much...? And how you can assume how little/much I care about what I spoke about? I find it incredibly ignorant and quite frankly offensive that I cannot honestly ask a question out of pure curiosity with being attacked for it.

    I don't see how where I live or don't live influences my opinion on a matter. Saying I live in a country where racial bias used to happen (when I wasn't even born yet, mind you) influences how I view the racial matters of another country makes no logical sense. And for the record, South Africa is no longer labelled as a 'racist' state. We crossed that bridge almost 20 years ago.

    Also, nowhere did I state there isn't racism. I simply pointed out that people pull the race card a lot more often than they should. But I can see you are incredibly touchy on the subject, so I won't continue discussing it with you.

    You have turned a discussion into an attack on my intelligence and person.
    February 1st, 2013 at 05:42pm
  • Fandango

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    pravda.:
    Are you implying that white/middle-class people don't commit crimes of high calibres? The idea that sentences reflect crime/criminality accurately is [sadly] laughable, e.g. this infographic. So I have no trouble believing that when people are sentenced, various socio-economic factors came into play.

    I've been trawling through more material but to be frank this is incredibly depressing and I'm going to leave now.
    No, no. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear there. I'm just saying that, when the those incarcerated don't represent the demographics of the country, people immediately point to racism/prejudice, when they can't be the only deciding factor.

    It is incredibly sad, but thank you for discussing so civilly Cute
    February 1st, 2013 at 05:47pm
  • Fandango

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    @ kafka.
    I don't see what difference it makes, but yes.

    I was just trying to get my point across Cute Not trying to imply anything about victimless crimes.
    February 1st, 2013 at 05:49pm
  • Ayana Sioux

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    @ Fandango
    I'm not offended. I'm just trying to inform. And I'm not trying to attack. You're entitled to your opinion, but opinions aren't facts.

    It's didn't used to happen. It still does. It's harder to see something you can't feel.

    No one's pulling the race card too quickly. It needs to be pulled in this situation.

    Why is it that every time I have a racial discussion with certain people some of you go straight to defense? All I asked was that you researched racism in America as a whole because what you said about it in South Africa is the same thing a lot of people say here in America, having no idea at all of what African Americans go through and that racism isn't a thing of the past. It's very much alive today.
    February 1st, 2013 at 05:49pm
  • Fandango

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    @ Ayana Sioux

    If anything, South Africa is inherently racist against the white minority now, so I don't see how you can pass any sort of judgement. The job hierarchy (because of Affirmative Action and BBBEE) in our country works as follows: Black Woman, Black Man, Coloured/Indian Woman, Coloured/Indian Man, White Woman/White Man, which means I will be almost the last person to be considered for a position because people who didn't even endure the 'struggle' will be chosen over me. These are kids I went to school with.

    Who are "certain people"? And I am extremely enamored by the fact that you clearly seem to know exactly what happens in South African law, yet my 'opinion' about American law is unsupported.

    But like I said, I'm done with discussing with you.
    February 1st, 2013 at 05:55pm
  • Ayana Sioux

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    @ Fandango
    But do you know how racist the judicial system is in America?
    February 2nd, 2013 at 01:12am
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    @ Ayana Sioux
    In response to that I'll ask if you know how racist South Africa is to the minority?
    February 1st, 2015 at 02:50am
  • killerariaisa

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    I think if a person brutally murders or rapes a person they should get life in prison.

    No excuses.
    March 13th, 2015 at 11:18pm
  • folie a dru.

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    @ killerariaisa
    What if the person is mentally incapable of being aware of what they did? Do you agree a 12 year old should get life in prison? (Two 12 year old girls are currently facing 65 years in prison in the US.)
    March 15th, 2015 at 02:50pm
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    @ dru is beautiful.
    I mean, I guess if they had a serious mental handicap then they should put in the mental hospital. But if say, it was a person without any mental issues and they did that.
    March 15th, 2015 at 08:29pm
  • Mr. Darcy

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    @ dru is beautiful.
    The thing is, a 12 year old knows the difference between right and wrong. I don't know what those girls did, but in 1993 two ten year old boys tortured and killed a two year old and I firmly believe that they should both still be behind bars (they were released when they turned 18). One boy never showed any remorse and both knew what they were doing when they lured the boy away from his mother in the shopping centre. The tortured they inflicted onto that little boy was horrific.
    March 16th, 2015 at 04:15am
  • killerariaisa

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    @ Maleficent.
    Yeah. A 12 year old knows that murder is wrong. A 5 year old even knows that it's wrong to kill.
    March 16th, 2015 at 08:07am
  • folie a dru.

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    @ Maleficent. @ killerariaisa
    I agree about knowing right from wrong. I don't agree that they understand the longevity or seriousness of their actions. With an undeveloped brain, kids are more likely to act without thinking things through. I don't think ruining the life of a child with an adult trial and consequence is really fair when the brain doesn't match that of an adult. They don't function the same but kids are being held to the same standard despite their "handicap"

    And the girls I am referring to think Slenderman told them to kill, so I don't know how much of their actions they understood. Sound mentally incompetent of standing trial to me.
    March 16th, 2015 at 01:34pm
  • killerariaisa

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    @ dru is beautiful.
    Maybe they're just saying that they think slenderman told them to kill so they'll get out of prison?
    March 16th, 2015 at 04:34pm
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    @ killerariaisa
    Or maybe they are mentally incompetent. I don't think mentally incompetent people or children can be held to the same level of accountability as a mentally sound adult. And it sounds like you think they should. It sounds like you don't even think a mentally incompetent person should get a different sentence.
    March 16th, 2015 at 07:10pm
  • killerariaisa

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    @ dru is beautiful.
    I do, like maybe being in a mental hospital or something. But I don't think that they should be let off the hook 100 percent. They should go to therapy and be under supervision if they commit a crime like that.
    March 16th, 2015 at 07:48pm
  • Mr. Darcy

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    @ dru is beautiful.
    At the age of 10, I knew the seriousness of killing someone. I knew the seriousness of abuse. The boys I spoke about purposely looked for a victim while they were playing truant, and while they walked around with the crying boy and were asked by people about him, they knew enough to lie and say he was their little brother or he was lost and was taking him to the police station. They also knew enough that when they came across a police station with the boy, to duck down an alleyway to avoid being seen. Actions like that are why I firmly believe they deserved the trial and prosecution they received, and believe they shouldn't be free.

    However, those girls sound like they either have a problem differentiating between reality and fiction or have something else undiagnosed, but either way sound like they do lack mental competence.
    March 17th, 2015 at 01:28am
  • folie a dru.

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    @ Maleficent.
    I am familiar with the case that you are referring to.

    I'm not saying child killers are all cut from the same cloth. That's precisely what I'm not saying. Every case needs to be treated individually. And I am very against child incarceration if rehabilitation will work. And I am against life sentences for the mentally ill as well.

    @ killerariaisa
    I never said they should get off completely. The law here states that if you are incompetent to stand trial, you go to a hospital. And often a specific length of time as compliance with therapy are part of any plea bargain for the mentally ill.
    March 17th, 2015 at 01:31pm