"Everyone is Created in God's Image"

God created everyone in his image, but he gave us freedom of thought and choices. People make the choice to be gay and whatever else. He doesn't hate anybody, but he isn't just going to let you into the gates of heaven, you still have to be punished for what you know and are still doing is wrong. But, he sent his son to die for us, so we might have a chance at everlasting life. He said if we ask for forgiveness and we mean it, he'll forgive us.

What I have studied so far, I found that Adam wasn't being typically human. Adam was lonely that he didn't have a match, so God took one of Adam's ribs and made Eve. Now if you read correctly you'll see God created all the earth first but saved garden of Eden for last. So he made Adam and then Adam saw with his own eye what god created, he was there watching God create the garden of Eden. When eve was created she didn't see any of that so doubt was able to overcome her when the serpent tempted her. She ate the fruit whatever it is, and Adam made the choice to follow her because he knew God would probably just get rid of her, but when Adam ate the fruit. Death was born, I know evolution says that death came before man (sounds crazy to me) but I believe man came before death. I also find it hard to believe nothing blew up and created the universe. But anyway my point is Adam wasn't being a typical human.. and that God hasn't sinned.

LOVE1516:

God created everyone in his image, but he gave us freedom of thought and choices.

If we believe that free will exists which is highly debatable.

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People make the choice to be gay and whatever else.

It is not a choice. There are a huge, huge number of biological influences on sexual orientation that you are intentionally ignoring. Brain architecture, genetics, the endocrine system, in utereo androgen exposure...

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Death was born, I know evolution says that death came before man (sounds crazy to me) but I believe man came before death. I also find it hard to believe nothing blew up and created the universe. But anyway my point is Adam wasn't being a typical human.. and that God hasn't sinned.

I personally find it difficult to believe that some big cosmic bearded guy essentially snapped his fingers and 'poof' human race!

Homo Sapiens has existed for roughly 500,000 years. Considering that this universe is 13.4 billion years old, that the planet we live on is four billion years old, that life on this planet has been knocking about a billion years, death has always been there and shall be until the end of the universe in approximately 100-200 trillion years time (ignoring the potential of a Big Rip universal collapse at any point in time until that point).

Can you lift your hand and smack somebody? Can you decide to ditch somebody? Can you say who you're going to marry? I believe the is freedom of choice because sorry, i don't see the strings attached to us......

It is a choice....

Who ever said it was a big cosmic bearded guy that snapped his fingers? I'm pretty sure we have no clue what God looks like and i'm pretty sure it said he spoke everything in to exists.

Please show me some proof evolution exist? Because i'm pretty sure i can debate on all of it.....Considering most of the 'evidence' they found was proven wrong....

LOVE1516:

It is a choice....

Are you saying that you have homosexual feelings but choose not to act on them?

No I'm saying it's a choice to be straight, homosexual, or bisexual.

I'm pretty sure there is actually a wealth of evidence to the contrary.

Would you please tell me some them?! I'm dying to know..

Even just logically, the 'choice' opinion makes no sense. Why would anyone choose to be gay in a country or environment where it was criminalised, socially isolating, religiously opposed or legally discriminated? Why would 'conversion' programmes traumatise people if they could just change sexuality? Check out the Wiki page for prenatal hormones and sexual orientation for some examples of biological evidence. (e.g. androgen exposure on male foetuses.)

@ LOVE1516

LOVE1516:

No I'm saying it's a choice to be straight, homosexual, or bisexual.

I'm afraid that's simply not true. Of course, it's one's own choice whether or not one acts upon one's hetero-/homo-/bisexuality; that's a given. But the nature of these sexualities is physical/sexual/romantic attraction, and if you're going to insinuate that we choose whom we're attracted to, then you have all your work ahead of you.

LOVE1516:

I'm pretty sure we have no clue what God looks like and i'm pretty sure it said he spoke everything in to exists.

If by "it" you mean the Bible, it also says that the human race originated by incestuous means.

For the same reason the Boston tea-party happened, they made a choice.

Same reason people in different countries continued to be their belief and not yield to the law they're people made..

Easily there have been many people that were straight and then went homosexual or the other way around... I'm pretty sure that's changing.

Some stick to their sexuality because, they don't feel the need to change for anyone, but if they stopped having feeling of that sex and changed, that's changing because choice or they could be like I don't care for this sex but, I'll stick with it because you can't just change your mind...

@ LOVE1516

Are you even being serious?

@joan
100% serious... Would you care to elaborate?

@ LOVE1516

Do you believe that you choose whom you fall in love with/whom you are attracted to?

LOVE1516:

For the same reason the Boston tea-party happened, they made a choice.

Same reason people in different countries continued to be their belief and not yield to the law they're people made..

A sexuality is not a belief. It's hard enough to change a belief, but a sexuality is far, far more internal.

LOVE1516:

Easily there have been many people that were straight and then went homosexual or the other way around... I'm pretty sure that's changing.

Some stick to their sexuality because, they don't feel the need to change for anyone, but if they stopped having feeling of that sex and changed, that's changing because choice or they could be like I don't care for this sex but, I'll stick with it because you can't just change your mind...

Fluctuations or changes in sexuality can appear to be down to the choice of the individual, but they are still much more explainable without assuming that that is actually what happens. "A straight person that went homosexual" is much, much more likely to be a gay person who realised that they were gay, or even a person who always knew they were gay but had kept it a secret for a certain time. You might say that since my teenage years I've "chosen" to go from straight to bi-curious, bi-curious to bisexual, bisexual to gay. But it wasn't me opting for any of them; it was a steady realisation that I am attracted to men, not women. The same happens to people even later than their teenage years. As for homosexual people "going straight", that's usually a denial of their homosexual feelings, often for religious/spiritual purposes, or the end of a period of 'experimentation' (for want of a better word) with members of the same sex. Neither of those mean that the person has actually changed their sexual orientation; rather that they're either changing their self-identification or their sexual habits, or that their sexual orientation has actually fluctuated or changed by itself, unconsciously.

@ LOVE1516

Because you are comparing what is essentially a facet of someone's personality to a historical event.

You do have a worrying lack of biological knowledge.

But hey, whatever. This is going to help me study for my Physiological Psychology exam (even if I have the strange feeling that you're going to ignore whatever I say anyway but whatever).

BIOLOGICAL INFLUENCES OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION: A TASTER

GENETICS

Ultimately, genetics and DNA processes have influences on how all our biological systems work and also how sensory information in interpreted. It has been implicated that certain sub straits of certain chromosones (Xq28) have a connection with sexual orientation and how this can be in the gene pool (Sanders et al, 1998; Mustanski et al., 2005).

CEREBRAL ARCHITECTURE

The Interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH) is known to be different sizes between the genders but has also found similar differences between heterosexual and homosexual men as well as cismen and transwomen (Le Vey et al, 1991; Zhou et al, 1995)

HORMONAL INFLUENCES

Androgen exposure during critical times in utero development can influence sizes of the pre-optic area of the hypothalmus which in turn influences sexual orientation. (Berenbaum and Beltz, 2011). Further evidence can be found with people with CAH in which up to 70% of women who had been exposed to such androgens were non-heterosexual. (Frisen et al, 2009)

This is just a smear of what there is on this subject.

@ LOVE1516
You don't choose to be gay. It's not a decision. If it were, the gay people who want to be straight would be and most teenagers don't decide to pick a sexual orientation that will lead to bullying and possibly murder. Plus, people like me who were confused about their sexual orientation wouldn't be because they would choose it. I didn't even know the word 'pansexual' when I was younger, but I always have been.

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@ LOVE1516
You don't choose to be gay. It's not a decision. If it were, the gay people who want to be straight would be and most teenagers don't decide to pick a sexual orientation that will lead to bullying and possibly murder.

Exactly, not to mention that gay teen suicides probably wouldn't be an issue.

@ Alex; periphery.
I think most teenagers would choose altering their sexual orientation to death in most cases, yes.

Okay one you can't say, I lack of biological knowledge.
Just because I don't agree with your side of the science doesn't make me dumb, there more than one side in science.

Two okay so if someone feels an attraction to an animal say monkey, dog, crocodile, etc.. Then it's all genetic or whatever therefore it's not wrong because he had an attraction?

My answer is I pretty sure he chooses to be attracted to an animal..

Gay teen suicide happens because people with low self-esteem like to pick on people.. There are plenty people that don't agree with gays but, don't tease them and call the foul names, that's wrong...

But, you can't say they're all hypocrites because they don't want to alter your way..

@ LOVE1516
There are two sides of science. Factual science and junk science. Most of the so-called "studies" claiming homosexuality is a choice is mostly just junk science that is lying to people or twisting the truth. There has been very little accuracy in any of those studies that claim such a thing. As far as I can remember, there was only ever one serious study claiming homosexuality was a choice and that study was later recalled by the professor who did it for being deeply flawed and inaccurate. The man who performed the study admitted his study was flawed and shouldn't be taken as accurate. There is no evidence supporting the claim that homosexuality is a choice, all of the evidence points to it not being something that we can choose.

Homosexuality is not a choice, just as heterosexuality or bisexuality is not a choice. We do not choose who we are attracted to. Let me ask you a quick question... You've had crushes, right? We all have. So, my question is, did you consciously choose to be attracted to these people? The answer would most likely be no, you didn't choose it and the attractions just happened, didn't it? It's the same way with homosexuality. People don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. As a lesbian, this is not something I chose and I fought myself for years over it. I denied it for years and in the process, I hurt people who didn't deserve it. I dated men, the entire relationship being based on a lie because I knew deep down, I didn't have an attraction to them. But I didn't want to admit I was gay. If I made a choice to be gay like you claim, I would not have spent so long fighting and struggling with my sexuality. No one would, it would be easy to overcome. But it's not. It's an incredibly difficult and trying task.

It is not a choice. I guarantee you of that. Remember: sexuality is our attractions not our actions.

I am so tired of people comparing homosexuality to bestiality. They are not the same thing, they aren't comparable. This is comparing apples to oranges again. Bestiality hurts animals, homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone. Animals cannot give consent to sex and relationships the way humans can therefore, there is no consent in the "relationship" and it therefore hurts the animal. It can be considered rape by all technicalities because the animal is unable to give proper consent like is required. So it is wrong because it does hurt someone, bestiality relationships cannot have consent on both parts. It's not possible.

Gay teen suicides happen because they have it shoved down their throat that they're disgusting or an "abomination" or whatever other bullshit excuse someone has to condemn homosexuality. Bullying of LGBTQ youth and harming them goes deeper than just name-calling. Even simply being against the legalization of same-sex marriage can be harmful to the youth, because you are sending a message to them that they are somehow inferior for their sexuality. There most likely wouldn't be as many LGBTQ youth killing themselves if people would stop tormenting the LGBTQ community and have a more accepting attitude towards it.

@ LOVE1516
I'm not going to get into the 'gay people will lead people getting to fucking dogs' conversation because it's just insulting to gay people and humans as a whole, to suggest we can't differentiate between species.

Since you just say you don't like science and choose to agree with false science I'll have to end the conversation. Not much else to say . . .