@ jaime preciado.
- jaime preciado.:
- You know what? This is really a moot point because you can't trash Robin and still praise Miley.
I didn't "trash" Robin and I surely didn't say a word about Miley Cyrus.
- jaime preciado.:
- The meaning I get is that he's for female sexual empowerment. Maybe the wording wasn't perfect.
Unfortunately, that goes very beyond simple bad wording. In the interviews he says is for female empowerment, but his songs and videos show another thing altogether. That's what I see.
- jaime preciado.:
- Even if you think his song is a rape anthem, do you then need to step back and question why she performed it with him?
I said in my post I didn't think this song was an open apology to rape. Good question, I don't even know why Miley did it. Maybe she thought it was a good idea and didn't pay attention to the lyrics? Who knows.
- jaime preciado.:
- Robin's video director was a woman who encouraged the nudit in the video. He requested a clothed version as well. His wife told him to go ahead and put the nude version out too.
Women can slut-shame and be misogynists too. Not saying these two ladies are, but their simple participation or approval on this video doesn't mean much.
- jaime preciado.:
- So you can look at this as women or female empowerment since part of not slut shaming is not telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. Maybe the women in the video enjoyd it. Unless you personally know them, you don't know.
Right. I'm not very concerned about the ladies in this video, actually. They've done it properly, freely and were well paid for it. I'm more worried about the impact of the sort of thinking that this video is an example of, for women in real life.
- jaime preciado.:
- But you don't seem willing to even consider the possibility that it was misconstrued and he is actually unhappy about that.
Hm...no. This song was most likely composed by a large group of people, including Thicke, and not in one single day, or even in one week. This is the freaking main single of his album, it's the sort of thing that an artist put a lot of thought and effort into, it just doesn't happen by accident. Now, he may be unhappy that it backfired, but that's another story.
- jaime preciado.:
- Mayb you like a man who maybe has an inkling about it. Or maybe you like guys like Robin Thicke who blatantly tell you they know you're stifling your sexualty. It can be frustrating when it's wrong and men are harassing you. But some women actively like these men and so you can't tell these men to just stopperiod because, hey, some people dig it.
There's a difference between allowing a guy to take control of the situation and have him saying something like "let me do this to you because I know you will like it" (that's what BDSM is about, for example, and that's perfectly ok), and having a guy forcing himself on the woman, claiming he knows better than her.
- jaime preciado.:
- Maybe you don't like being told what you want. You can tell him to leave you alone and take affirmative action when he doesn't.
If you ever been in that situation when you have a guy telling you "I know you want it" you will know how powerless you get. Once I needed the help of friends to get away from one of these guys who "knew I wanted it", I wouldn't be able to handle him alone. If my friends weren't there or didn't notice I was in trouble I wouldn't be able to take affirmative action. Men are normally physically stronger than women. Sometimes you aren't able to make yourself heard because this sort of logic makes men completely deaf to what women are trying to say, especially if it is a "no". That's why this song bothers me so much.
- jaime preciado.:
- There are men who actively slut shame in the music business. Kanye West did it to hisown wife on his new album.
I know, I just commented on Thicke because it was who you were talking about.
- jaime preciado.:
- Can we at least agree our different life experiences make us see things in different lights than ach other? I can accept that. But I don't accept that he's a bad person because of how some people's lives are different than mine.
Ok, agreed.
I never said he's a bad person. I don't even know him. Maybe he's a good guy, after all. I just don't like the message in his song and that was what I pointed out. This is the sort of logic that makes women's life difficult sometimes.