Transexual/Transgender rights

i dunno...im not sure...it confuses meeeeeee :S

beautifullychaotic:

i dunno...im not sure...it confuses meeeeeee :S

A man feels his is trapped in a woman's body; a woman feels she is trapped in a man's body.
They may undergo surgery to change this, they may not.
They live the life of the sexual gender that they are, not the one they were given the parts for.

My_used_romance54:

if i got rid fo my boobs that would make me a Transexual. at least thats what I thought

I wonder what people with breast-cancer induced Mastectomies would think of that.

druscilla; gone:

beautifullychaotic:

i dunno...im not sure...it confuses meeeeeee :S

A man feels his is trapped in a woman's body; a woman feels she is trapped in a man's body.
They may undergo surgery to change this, they may not.
They live the life of the sexual gender that they are, not the one they were given the parts for.

kk thats what i had heard but of course i get confused easily...thanks for clearing that up.

Transgenders should be given the rights of anyone else, after all, they're people too.

Catastrophic:

Transgenders should be given the rights of anyone else, after all, they're people too.

A friend of mine believes that they are a boy in a girl's body. Frankly I was surprised at people's reactions - I haven't seen what he gets from other people at our school, but his friends, and most people who hang around that group, are completely supportive of it, and accepting.

Maybe I need to have more faith in people?

Anyway. I get proud when my jaded attitude is disproven. Like, proud of humans, and society. Thumbs up :]

Waffles:

if i got rid fo my boobs that would make me a Transexual. at least thats what I thought

No, because that doesn't make you the opposite sex, your still a girl with or with out boobs- At least that's what I thought.

If you got surgical allterations and got a penis, then you would be a transexual.

Where as if you are a girl- dressed as a guy, then you are considered a transvestite.

Hey, all, I wanted to share this and this thread seems like the place to do it: Taking Steps: the seam of skin and scales

It's by a trans woman who decided not to undergo SRS, if I understand correctly. It's beautifully written and all kinds of awesome, and also provides a perspective on being trans that I don't think I've seen mentioned on Mibba before.

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Waffles:

if i got rid fo my boobs that would make me a Transexual. at least thats what I thought

No, because that doesn't make you the opposite sex, your still a girl with or with out boobs- At least that's what I thought.

If you got surgical allterations and got a penis, then you would be a transexual.

Where as if you are a girl- dressed as a guy, then you are considered a transvestite.

I think it's more than getting surgery, it's about how you see yourself. For example, if I got my breasts removed, I wouldn't be transgendered because I see myself as a female.

A transsexual is an individual who was born in the wrong body. If they are planning to get gender reassignment surgery they are referred to as pre-op or post-op in technical definitions.

A transgendered person is someone who rejects all or part of the gender assigned to them at birth based on what falls between their legs. This is a blanket term that includes transsexuals, cross-dressers, drag kings/queens, genderqueer, and some others.

Getting gender reassignment surgery does not make you a transsexual. You have to have been born into the wrong body.

druscilla; fiction.:

A transsexual is an individual who was born in the wrong body. If they are planning to get gender reassignment surgery they are referred to as pre-op or post-op in technical definitions.

A transgendered person is someone who rejects all or part of the gender assigned to them at birth based on what falls between their legs. This is a blanket term that includes transsexuals, cross-dressers, drag kings/queens, genderqueer, and some others.

Getting gender reassignment surgery does not make you a transsexual. You have to have been born into the wrong body.

So it's the state of mind, rather than the physical appearance?

^ Yup. It's a term that describes whether your gender identity (mental/emotional/social) matches your assigned sex (decided by a doctor at birth based on whether your genitals are obviously a penis and testicles).

ChemicallyImbalanced:

druscilla; fiction.:

A transsexual is an individual who was born in the wrong body. If they are planning to get gender reassignment surgery they are referred to as pre-op or post-op in technical definitions.

A transgendered person is someone who rejects all or part of the gender assigned to them at birth based on what falls between their legs. This is a blanket term that includes transsexuals, cross-dressers, drag kings/queens, genderqueer, and some others.

Getting gender reassignment surgery does not make you a transsexual. You have to have been born into the wrong body.

So it's the state of mind, rather than the physical appearance?

Very much so. It's about your body not matching your brain. A transsexual female has a male body and a female brain. A transsexual male has a female body and a male brain.

It would be like if I were born with a penis, but with the brain of a girl. So I dressed like a girl and behaved like a girl and eventually got the surgery.

However, someone like Will in "Trying to Be" who likes to wear girl clothes and have fake boobs but identifies as male, isn't transsexual. They're transgendered because they aren't the wrong gender, they're just disputing the gender role assigned to them at birth.

Dru's definition is spot on and I couldn't say it better myself. I believe that they most certainly should have the same rights as everyone else. Like the poor woman that was fired after 18 years of work simply because her boss found out she was a transsexual.

My grandma still doesn't get some things like... how lesbians dress like boys and act like boys, but don't want to be boys. :roll:

And recently, she watched a program on television about gender queers.
She doesn't get that much either, but to be quite honesty, neither do I. :XD

She has a fascination with transexuals and stuff, though.
She watches RuPaul's Drag Race like, whenever it's on. Even if it's a re-run. :roll:
She loves him. |:

I know this is kind of a silly question to ask, but I was curious.
If someone is transsexual, say a girl's mind stuck in a boys body, and they liked other girls. Would that make them ... lesbian?
Like, since it's still the mind of a girl and such.
Sorry if it's stupid.

ChemicallyImbalanced:

I know this is kind of a silly question to ask, but I was curious.
If someone is transsexual, say a girl's mind stuck in a boys body, and they liked other girls. Would that make them ... lesbian?
Like, since it's still the mind of a girl and such.
Sorry if it's stupid.

Yup. They identify as a woman who is attracted to other women, which qualifies them as a lesbian.

Patrick Stump.:

My grandma still doesn't get some things like... how lesbians dress like boys and act like boys, but don't want to be boys. :roll:

And recently, she watched a program on television about gender queers.
She doesn't get that much either, but to be quite honesty, neither do I. :XD

She has a fascination with transexuals and stuff, though.
She watches RuPaul's Drag Race like, whenever it's on. Even if it's a re-run. :roll:
She loves him. |:

Not all lesbians present as butch. There are some very femme lesbians out there, and there are some who fall somewhere in between -- me, for example. Ellen DeGeneres, Portia DeRossi and Rachel Maddow are all lesbians, and IIRC their gender performances are all different -- Ms. Maddow looks much less butch on her MSNBC show than she presents elsewhere, check out the image gallery on MaddowFans for examples.

I used to not get genderqueerness, either, and then I realized I was thinking of gender as a binary rather than as a continuum, and one that doesn't fit everyone at that. :)

I'm pretty sure RuPaul isn't trans. He's a drag queen, but he's male-identified. True, he doesn't care what pronouns you use to refer to him, at least while he's in costume, but I've heard from at least one trans woman whose blog I follow that he isn't. I can't speak to the other performers on Drag Race, though, especially since I don't watch it.

ETA: I found it! TransGriot: Gay Media, RuPaul Isn't A Transgender 'Expert', So Stop Trying To Pass Him Off As One

Second post in a row, because it's evening now and I have something unrelated to my previous post to add:

I feel like Dru's definition of "transsexual" is a little more surgery-centered than my understanding of the term, so I went looking for a trans person who'd been kind enough to type up some Trans 101, and voila, Monster's Creed has a list of definitions.

Monster's Creed:

Transsexual - Someone whose subconscious sex and assigned sex are not aligned.
While many people only include those who are post-surgery/hormones or at least those who desire surgery/hormones, I do not. Not all transsexuals have the same level of body dissonance or need the same things to cope with it.
Some people also think a person has to identify with a binary gender identity to be transsexual, I do not. So, I think it is possible to be both transsexual and genderqueer.

He also links to Trans What?, and describes it as "trans* 101 for cis* folks". It seems pretty clear and concise to me. This is their explanation of transsexuality:

Trans What?:

Transsexuality.
Some of these male-assigned people are, instinctively and naturally, more comfortable when people think of them as women. Living as a woman feels right — an unshaking feeling, bone-deep — and living as a man causes deep pain and discomfort. A discomfort that never goes away, that chases them weekly and hourly. A discomfort that can only be ameliorated by one thing: walking the world as a female. These people are women, they will always be women, and they should be addressed as such.

Also, I've never been sure whether to use "trans" as a prefix ("transperson", no space) or as a word in its own right ("trans person", purposeful space), and I just found this post addressing that question, so I thought I'd share.

vaginasaurus:

Also, I've never been sure whether to use "trans" as a prefix ("transperson", no space) or as a word in its own right ("trans person", purposeful space), and I just found this post addressing that question, so I thought I'd share.

That's interesting and I can see their point. Consistently referring to someone as a "transperson" without the space seems to segregate those who are trans from the remaining population.

Also, do 'transgender' and 'transsexual' mean the same thing? A flyer I got from uni defines 'transgender' as someone who's anatomical sex doesn't match with their gender identity, and that 'transsexual' is someone who's had gender reassignment surgery, but it then goes on to say that the term 'transsexual' is outdated.