Homosexuality (and Everything Else)

  • lisamargaret

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    Be prepared, don't let this long post scare you away !

    Okay, so a supposed friend and I had gotten into an arguement about homosexuality, which is a topic we argue about constantly.

    I am not a homosexual in any way, but I do believe in gay rights. I know a few people who are gay, and I've seen things that people have done, and things that people have said. Which is why I feel so strongly over this issue. I do not have a problem with anyone's sexual orientation; it simply does not bother me. I am actually somewhat impressed with those who are openly gay, because they are going into public view, with full knowledge that not everyone is going to accept them. It's very brave.

    Her argument is that, okay, being a gay couple is one thing. But then eventually, they will get married, and maybe want to adopt kids. She thinks that a gay couple should not be allowed to adopt kids, because bringing a child up in that sort of situation is like brainwashing them into thinking homosexuality is right.

    I do not agree with that at all. Everyone deserves to feel love, and if people find love in those of the same gender, then they should be able to go on living the same type of lifestyle as everyone else, gay or not. I feel that children definately bring happiness into couples' lives, so if two men, or two women want to settle down and have kids (which is obviously not possible, so therefore, if two women or two men would like to adopt kids) then that should be possible without judgement. People should not be deprived of anything just because they are attracted to someone of the same sex.

    And might I add that this girl also thinks that all people who are gay are automatically attracted to everyone (of the same sex) that they meet ? I mean, I am heterosexual, and I can definately say that I am not attracted to every single male that I meet. She thinks that all gay men go around wanting to shove things up their ass (excuse my graphic language) and that all people who are gay (because this is what this topic is about) are players, and all they want is sex. And again, I must bring up the fact that being a heterosexual, I am not attracted to every guy I meet, I do not want to go around shoving things up my you-know-where all day, and I am not a player who wants sex all the time. And while I am not gay, I'm pretty sure I can say the same for gay people, because who you love does not have that big of an effect on your personality.

    Anyways. I'm sorry if I was ranting, but I am definately interested on hearing what all your Mibbians have to say.

    PS. A note to admins : If this topic has already been created, then feel free to delete it (but hopefully you'll point me in the right direction first). I know there is already a topic about Gay Marriage, but hopefully you'll see that this topic is completely different. I hope all this writing wasn't for nothing.

    ALSO, this post has been taken from part of a journal I wrote, so if you're interested in seeing the whole thing, then here's the link.

    Full Journal
    December 31st, 2007 at 05:15am
  • sunflowers.

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    Ummm, I'm not a mod, but there are already threads on the following:
    Gay marriage
    Gay adoption
    Being gay and dealing with it in highschool.

    I guess this could fit into one of those catergories? :shifty

    But you do have some very good posts, I agree with you :D
    December 31st, 2007 at 06:00am
  • lisamargaret

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    I looked through all the posts, I didn't see anything of the sort.
    But thank you. I'm not going to delete it though, I'll wait for mods to do it. Perhaps it could stay ? But yeah, I'll definately look at those other topics.
    And thanks for agreeing :)
    It doesn't make me feel completely crazy
    December 31st, 2007 at 06:02am
  • Kurtni

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    Maybe you could expand this thread to be about all sexualities in general. I don't think we have a thread like that.
    December 31st, 2007 at 09:12am
  • kara

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    Yeah. I'll let you keep it if you expand to all sexualities.
    December 31st, 2007 at 09:43am
  • lisamargaret

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    Yeah. That's what I intended to write about. I guess it just ended up being more about homosexuality.
    Thanks though :)
    December 31st, 2007 at 10:27am
  • Psyche Adrenaline

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    I completely and totally agree with you.

    It is said that gay rights should not be tollerated because it is a sin, but the Lord says that all sins are the same in his eyes.

    So in God's eyes, when you lie about something stupid, or commit any other sin, you are just as bad as the homosexuals.

    Also, others say it isn't right because they can't have children.
    I was adopted becuase my mother had ovarian cancer and had to get her ovaries taken out. Nobody discriminates against her because of it.

    I say, if you are in love with someone so be it, it's nobody else's business.

    I for one am sort-of bi-curious, my brother is bisexual, and my best friend is gay, so I, as well, have seen and heard all of the insults. My friend and brother are good at ignoring them, but for others it is not such a such a simple task.

    I say, leave them be. You can't help who you fall in love with.
    December 31st, 2007 at 11:43am
  • lisamargaret

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    Exactly. And with the whole adpoting kids thing, at the end of the day, does it really matter weather or not you're gay ? As long as the kids have a family who can provide for them, a family that loves them, and a family that can teach them, who cares who they are or who they choose for their life partner?
    December 31st, 2007 at 11:54am
  • Psyche Adrenaline

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    lisamargaret:
    Exactly. And with the whole adpoting kids thing, at the end of the day, does it really matter weather or not you're gay ? As long as the kids have a family who can provide for them, a family that loves them, and a family that can teach them, who cares who they are or who they choose for their life partner?
    I agree, once again.

    Also, with all of the children in adoption agencies and such, why do we need more children when we have such an abundance in shelters? Children who need loved? It shouldn't matter if it is a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.
    December 31st, 2007 at 12:03pm
  • lisamargaret

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    Exactly.
    December 31st, 2007 at 12:16pm
  • folie a dru.

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    I don't believe homosexuality is a sin in the first place. :file:
    December 31st, 2007 at 02:14pm
  • Leonore Paisley

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    I think that homophobia is more of a "sin" than
    homosexuality. Homophobia is based off of fear and
    ignorance, I think. People should open their minds and
    realize that others aren't going to change just because
    someone doesn't like what they do. My sister was
    shunned by my grandparents, because she finally came
    out. I honestly can't see them the same way again.
    December 31st, 2007 at 03:57pm
  • Mr. Fahrenheit

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    On the religious side of it, I always got the impression that the big man doesn't want you to hate people. Isn't homophobia going against that? "Love thy neighbor" and everything, does it not apply to gays? It should.
    December 31st, 2007 at 04:48pm
  • Kerplunk Girl

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    I wonder about the religious side of it too. I'm not really sure if bible actually says "Don't be gay, it's a sin." But then sometimes I think that being gay or bi (not to sound offensive) is a temptation and God wants all man kinda to not fall into temptation; the main purpose for man and women is to multiply. So, if you have feelings for a man when you are a man and fall into that temptation and not do 'God's will' by multiplying, then it might be considered a sin. Just like Adam and Eve eating the forbidden apples. "You have to avoid temptation." That could be one way to explain the whole "why did god make people gay then?"

    I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay. Not like you can help it. Nothing wrong with being Bi (actually bi). Nothing wrong with being straight. (:
    December 31st, 2007 at 06:58pm
  • Spencer.

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    My mum is a christian and she totally believes in rights for homosexuals and the like, which is a good thing seeing as I am kinda gay myself.
    She says that everyone reads the bible in different ways and some people get it across in different ways to each other.

    I am heavily against homophobia, being openly gay I'm actually not bullied at all, I'm actually friendly with a homophobe, I'm trying to break her fear of me, because it's not right.

    To be honest I don't feel I can trust the bible all that way because it always seems to contradict it self and I don't really understand it all that well.

    ~Ruthus
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    December 31st, 2007 at 10:11pm
  • Kurtni

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    You know, one of the biggest arguements against anyone who isn't heterosexual is that it's not natural. The word "natural" is derived from "nature". So, can we judge what's natural based on what nature does?

    Multiple animals exhibit homosexual, bisexual and asexual behavior. It isn't just one type of animal; it is all kinds from every end of the spectrum. Now, humans and other animals are obviously seperated in certain ways based on our development, but humans are still animals. How can homosexuality be judged to be unnatural when it's such a large part of nature. If homosexuality is percieved as being wrong by certain religions, why would god have created animals that show the same behavior? Well, if it is unnatural, we can all look on the brightside and know that there will be a zoo in hell... it might be too hot for the penguins though.

    Some species don't even have males for them to reproduce with in the first place. The Amazon molly is a species of fish that reproduces by the process of gynogenesis, which means that no genetic material from a male is used during the development of her eggs. Her offspring will be identical clones of her.

    Pygmy Chimpanzees do all kinds of crazy sexual things other animals don't do( they do some kinky stuff with trees O_O), and bisexuality is a part of the their everyday life. Males show homosexual behavior all the time, it's how they successfully can work together in groups and exist in social groups. Females do the similar things and tend to be more isolated from the males in their groups because of the social bond they form when engaging in sexual behavior. These chimps are some of the most human like on the planet. They communicate with vocalizations, have simlar facial expressions and identical hand gestures to humans.

    Sup @ homosexual animals
    December 31st, 2007 at 11:22pm
  • Psyche Adrenaline

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    People think that the Bible contradicts itself, but truly it just changed from the Old testament to the New.

    The reason Homosexuality is a "sin" is because it was not the way God wanted it to be, but homophobia is a "sin" as well, because you are supposed to 'Love thy neighbor'

    The Lord doesn't tell us to shun people who love the same sex, but he tells us that he would rather us not be homosexuals.

    So, in a way, the ones who shun homosexuals because they are religiously incorrect, are being very hypocritical.
    December 31st, 2007 at 11:27pm
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    I don't believe homosexuality is a sin in the first place. :file:
    January 1st, 2008 at 02:41am
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    I don't believe homosexuality is a sin in the first place. :file:
    January 1st, 2008 at 03:43am
  • lisamargaret

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    I don't believe in God, so I don't really believe in sin.
    So I agree that homosexuality is not a sin.
    January 1st, 2008 at 03:44am