Homosexuality (and Everything Else)

Feminists are simply standing up for women's rights.
That's it.
They're not ranting on and on about how all men are arrogant b*stards. (Excuse my language.)
Generally, men are looked upon as the superior gender.
Which is wrong.
And feminists are just standing against that, and standing up for their rights.
Standing up so women can have equal rights as men.

Name one sexist thing about that.

We might need to make a feminist thread...

I agree...

People should love who they wanna love. Not like we choose who we love. It just happens...

druscilla; dormouse.:

I don't think they'll be able to overlook their fear/hatred to rationally listen.

So if listening, talking and explaining can't work, what do you suggest ? Brainwashing homophobes ? Locking 'em up ? Beating or killing them ?

In most phobias the treatment consists of behavior therapy and the person suffering from the phobia confronts his fear. I think by talking and explaining to a homophobe what homosexuality actually is you're sortof making him confront his fear.

And yes I think maybe we should make a feminist thread since we're getting way off topic on here, though I think I spotted one some while ago.

Lovesick.:

druscilla; dormouse.:

I don't think they'll be able to overlook their fear/hatred to rationally listen.

So if listening, talking and explaining can't work, what do you suggest ? Brainwashing homophobes ? Locking 'em up ? Beating or killing them ?

In most phobias the treatment consists of behavior therapy and the person suffering from the phobia confronts his fear. I think by talking and explaining to a homophobe what homosexuality actually is you're sortof making him confront his fear.

I looked up homophobia. It also refers to discrimination, hatred, and hostility of homosexuals. When names are thrown and people murder thinking they're doing the right thing, we have failed as a society.

druscilla; dormouse.:

Lovesick.:

druscilla; dormouse.:

I don't think they'll be able to overlook their fear/hatred to rationally listen.

So if listening, talking and explaining can't work, what do you suggest ? Brainwashing homophobes ? Locking 'em up ? Beating or killing them ?

In most phobias the treatment consists of behavior therapy and the person suffering from the phobia confronts his fear. I think by talking and explaining to a homophobe what homosexuality actually is you're sortof making him confront his fear.

I looked up homophobia. It also refers to discrimination, hatred, and hostility of homosexuals. When names are thrown and people murder thinking they're doing the right thing, we have failed as a society.

Yes, I agree we are a failing society. But my question was : how could we stop/prevent homophobia ? You said talking or explaining would not help because people could not overcome their fear/hatred to listen. So then I asked again, what would help ?

Or what you're trying to say is that homophobia can't be stoped/cured because it's more than just a normal phobia ?

Lovesick.:

druscilla; dormouse.:

I looked up homophobia. It also refers to discrimination, hatred, and hostility of homosexuals. When names are thrown and people murder thinking they're doing the right thing, we have failed as a society.

Yes, I agree we are a failing society. But my question was : how could we stop/prevent homophobia ? You said talking or explaining would not help because people could not overcome their fear/hatred to listen. So then I asked again, what would help ?

Or what you're trying to say is that homophobia can't be stoped/cured because it's more than just a normal phobia ?

We cannot stop the feeling. I agree completely. But we should stop the actions. And we can't do that because our government supports homophobic actions and discrimination and ignorance. We cannot force parents to raise their children to not hate or discriminate. I think that the actions need to be stopped and we need to have a zero tolerance policies in schools and the workplace. But until the government steps up, there is really no way to expect our citizens to step up.
[American]

If our speech is free, and I don't mean this in a monetary sense, then why can't our love be likewise?

I think that disliking someone or discriminating someone because they're of a different racial background, skin colour, gender, sexuality or just because they've got braces and you don't is wrong.

And I can't stand the way the text editing program installed into my browser tells me that "heterophobia" is not a word when I type it. Shouldn't victims of heterophobia be recognised too?

druscilla; dormouse.:

We cannot stop the feeling. I agree completely. But we should stop the actions. And we can't do that because our government supports homophobic actions and discrimination and ignorance. We cannot force parents to raise their children to not hate or discriminate. I think that the actions need to be stopped and we need to have a zero tolerance policies in schools and the workplace. But until the government steps up, there is really no way to expect our citizens to step up.
[American]

I think the Church needs to step up. Especially Orthodox and Catholic ones. People listen to what the church tells them, but instead of trying to mediate the conflict they just make it worse. Most if not all, anti-gay protests or parades are organized by the church.
I had my hopes up that maybe this pope will be more gay-friendly. I was wrong. The patriarch is out of the question. Maybe the problem is that we're ruled by people in their 50's or 60's -wait I think the patriarch is 70 something- and when they grew up the world was totally different.
As for against-discrimination laws, yeah they would help but not solve the problem, I still think we should try and stop the feeling rather than the actions. Although I think it's time for a worldwide anti-discrimination policy and legislation.

^?

Lovesick.:

I think the Church needs to step up. Especially Orthodox and Catholic ones. People listen to what the church tells them, but instead of trying to mediate the conflict they just make it worse. Most if not all, anti-gay protests or parades are organized by the church.
I had my hopes up that maybe this pope will be more gay-friendly. I was wrong. The patriarch is out of the question. Maybe the problem is that we're ruled by people in their 50's or 60's -wait I think the patriarch is 70 something- and when they grew up the world was totally different.
As for against-discrimination laws, yeah they would help but not solve the problem, I still think we should try and stop the feeling rather than the actions. Although I think it's time for a worldwide anti-discrimination policy and legislation.

^?

The problem (in my opinion) isn't the church, it's governments. I can understand people being denied religious aspects of life. I mean, Im an atheist, I wouldn't go to a church and ask for a shot of holy water. Obviously asking to get married isn't the same thing though, because there is more than just religion involved.

The way I look at it, if you're for or against gay marriage, no matter which side, you're discriminating against someone. If you're for it, then you're taking away the churches ability to designate how their religion should be practiced. if you're against it, you're denying citizens the legal rights of marriage. A civil partnership does not give gay people all the same legal rights as a married couple would have.

As marriage stands now, Im against it in all cases. I think the religious aspects should be seperate from the legal aspects. Unil that happens, there is going to continue to be alot of unhappy people.

Kurtni Reznor:

The way I look at it, if you're for or against gay marriage, no matter which side, you're discriminating against someone. If you're for it, then you're taking away the churches ability to designate how their religion should be practiced. if you're against it, you're denying citizens the legal rights of marriage. A civil partnership does not give gay people all the same legal rights as a married couple would have.

But a marriage does not have to happen in a church. My mother married her husband in a courthouse and they have all same rights as if they had gotten married in a church.
I don't think a church should be forced to perform marriages, but I do think that government officials should be forced to give same-sex couples a marriage license.
That's not discrimination. That's just plain equality.

I never said the church should be forced to perform marriages, I just said that they should step up and mediate the conflict -Pope Benedict saying that gay marriage is a danger for world peace is obviously not mediating-. It's okay if the church doesn't agree with homosexual relations. It's not okay that church people organize -often violent- demonstrations against it, not to mention bash gay marriage with every occasion. In some parts of the world they even tried to make homosexuality illegal.

People trust the church more than they trust the government, the police, politicians or celebrities and so the church has a huge influence on almost everyone, government included.

Again I'm not asking the church to make homosexuality ''un-sinful'' but to stop hating homosexuals.

druscilla; dormouse.:

Kurtni Reznor:

The way I look at it, if you're for or against gay marriage, no matter which side, you're discriminating against someone. If you're for it, then you're taking away the churches ability to designate how their religion should be practiced. if you're against it, you're denying citizens the legal rights of marriage. A civil partnership does not give gay people all the same legal rights as a married couple would have.

But a marriage does not have to happen in a church. My mother married her husband in a courthouse and they have all same rights as if they had gotten married in a church.
I don't think a church should be forced to perform marriages, but I do think that government officials should be forced to give same-sex couples a marriage license.
That's not discrimination. That's just plain equality.

I never said a marriage had to happen in a church... O_O My point was, it can, and it's treated the same way legally. The religious rules regulate government- marriage, and that shouldn't happen. There should be two types of "marriage". The kind where you get legal rights, and a religious ceremony, and people can choose to practice which ever they want.

^I thought they did >.>

I don't know..I'm in Canada so it's legal for gays and lesbians to get married...

Martian:

^I thought they did >.>

I don't know..I'm in Canada so it's legal for gays and lesbians to get married...

You Canadians have jumped ahead of us 8)

Kurtni Reznor:

Martian:

^I thought they did >.>

I don't know..I'm in Canada so it's legal for gays and lesbians to get married...

You Canadians have jumped ahead of us 8)

Stephen Harper tried to change it. I think he gave up.
I hate Conservatists -_-

Martian:

Kurtni Reznor:

Martian:

^I thought they did >.>

I don't know..I'm in Canada so it's legal for gays and lesbians to get married...

You Canadians have jumped ahead of us 8)

Stephen Harper tried to change it. I think he gave up.
I hate Conservatists -_-

Meh, conservatists have their place, they keep the liberals on their toes. :con:

I think that being gay is seen as way too much of a big deal.

Admitting anything like that has become this huge taboo and I find it disturbing.

It's completely wrong and fucked to judge someone on their sexuality - "Oh my God! Like, I'm a girl, so you might like me like that? EWW!"- much more to actually discriminate them for it.

Your sexuality is not the be all and end all of who you are, and lately, I've seen it as this big thing that you're bisexual, you're against the trend... la la la. It's made such a giant deal of and I personally don't think it should matter.

I've been confused about this before (what teenager hasn't?) and I've come to the decision that I'm straight. I strongly dislike homophobes for being narrow minded and failing to see that being gay does NOT change a person or how they treat you. These are the people who have made homosexuals and bisexuals so afraid to "come out", along with the "bisexual" trendfollowers. These are all those who made homosexuality almost impossible to discuss openly with anyone of an older generation.

Kurtni Reznor:

Martian:

Kurtni Reznor:

Martian:

^I thought they did >.>

I don't know..I'm in Canada so it's legal for gays and lesbians to get married...

You Canadians have jumped ahead of us 8)

Stephen Harper tried to change it. I think he gave up.
I hate Conservatists -_-

Meh, conservatists have their place, they keep the liberals on their toes. :con:

and take away thousands of people's jobs...

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