Homosexuality (and Everything Else)

Leonore Paisley:

For some reason, when someone makes it point blank that they are straight, it bugs me. First, I wonder why they seem so defensive, then I think about why people are so labelled. I understand that it's a way of idenifying people. But, I think it's kind of stupid to say "I only love boys" or "I only love chicks." To me, it'snearly like saying "I only love blacks" or "I only love whites." I'm not gaybashing, straightbashing-- anything like that whatsoever. It's just my in-depth analysis.

So, it's okay for a guy to say, "I only love guys," cause you know, he's gay, but it's not okay for a straight girl to say it as well?

Or, it's okay for gays and lesbians to say what they prefer, but straight people can't?

Suddenly, it's the same thing as being racist?

Everyone here is talking about different situtations so I'm putting my two cents in on the matter.

Why label? Gay, straight, bi, what's the difference? We're all people. I identify as gay-I really hate the word lesbian-and I'm hated for it for some reason? It just confuses the fuck out of me.

I wish that people could get over homophobia and we could all just live-and I'm gonna go hippie on y'all here for a minute-in harmony and we could all love each other and not care and not have to label each other and people were just people. I wish it didn't matter who you liked.

Veronica Sawyer.:

Why label?

Because it's human nature and a way to identify someone.

Veronica Sawyer.:

Gay, straight, bi, what's the difference? We're all people.

The difference is, obviously, who you are attracted to.

And, yes, we are all people, but we are all different. If we were all the same it would suck, so we identify our differences.

druscilla; red paint:

Veronica Sawyer.:

Gay, straight, bi, what's the difference? We're all people.

The difference is, obviously, who you are attracted to.

And, yes, we are all people, but we are all different. If we were all the same it would suck, so we identify our differences.

Well, obviously.

I meant-why should it even fucking matter?

Veronica Sawyer.:

druscilla; red paint:

Veronica Sawyer.:

Gay, straight, bi, what's the difference? We're all people.

The difference is, obviously, who you are attracted to.

And, yes, we are all people, but we are all different. If we were all the same it would suck, so we identify our differences.

Well, obviously.

I meant-why should it even fucking matter?

It shouldn't matter in a discrimination way, but it does matter in everyday ways. If you were being hit on by the gender you don't prefer then you might want to communicate that you aren't of that orientation.

Mindfreak.:

Leonore Paisley:

For some reason, when someone makes it point blank that they are straight, it bugs me. First, I wonder why they seem so defensive, then I think about why people are so labeled. I understand that it's a way of identifying people. But, I think it's kind of stupid to say "I only love boys" or "I only love chicks." To me, it's nearly like saying "I only love blacks" or "I only love whites." I'm not gaybashing, straightbashing-- anything like that whatsoever. It's just my in-depth analysis.

So, it's okay for a guy to say, "I only love guys," cause you know, he's gay, but it's not okay for a straight girl to say it as well?

Or, it's okay for gays and lesbians to say what they prefer, but straight people can't?

Suddenly, it's the same thing as being racist?

I didn't mean it that way at all.
I meant that it just bugs me when people
say they only love a certain type of group
within the human race.

examples:

"I only love 'emo' girls."
"I only like black guys."
"I only like girls."

They're all labels, and honestly I don't like labels that much.

edit: But, like Dru said above, that's just about the only time when a label is of use.

Leonore Paisley:

I didn't mean it that way at all.
I meant that it just bugs me when people
say they only love a certain type of group
within the human race.

examples:

"I only love 'emo' girls."
"I only like black guys."
"I only like girls."

They're all labels, and honestly I don't like labels that much.

edit: But, like Dru said above, that's just about the only time when a label is of use.

Psychological studies show that people tend to be more attracted to certain kinds of people, it isn't like they're purposely discriminating. I mean, especially with things like gender, you either like something or you don't, it doesn't mean you're holding something against someone else. It's not really a bad label, just what you're interested in. In my opinion, at least.

My opinion would be that homosexuality shouldn't even be an issue.

Telling someone that you're straight, bisexual or homosexual should be as commonplace as mentioning you have black, brown or blond hair.

Personally, I find it insulting when people get up in arms about straight or homosexual persons being upfront about their sexuality. Because it implies that there is and always will be something deficit about being attracted to the same sex.

It's the same underlying prejudice we still face with skin colour. We should be able to describe a person as having pale, olive or dark skin without walking on eggshells for fear of offending someone. Because if you're scared of offending someone, then deep down somewhere it's understood that one of those categories isn't as valid as the others.

Somehow, it's acceptable for me to say I'm attracted to tall persons, but not that I'm attracted to mainly caucasian and negro persons, or to identify which sex I may be attracted to.
(Even now I'm cringing at using the word negro because of it's connotations, even though it's the most technically correct in the context).

Does anyone else get what I mean?

Why do we even need to discuss this?

( Or well, I get it. It takes time for recent history to become archaic. I suppose this is part of the transitionary period between ostracising homosexuals, to "accepting" homosexuality {as the world tries to atm}, to not even thinking of it as any more unusual than other biological differences) .

(In smiley form form, the world has gone from to :| to to to - which is good - but I'd really rather see the world like this :file:).

Cheers

=> Jess

PS - I suppose sure I'm "proud" of being attracted to both sexes, but only where I'm "proud" to have green eyes, "proud" to have blonde hair, "proud" to have the name Jessica, "proud" to be five foot one, "proud" that my favourite colour is lime, "proud" that I enjoy watching the antiques roadshow, "proud" that I do art.... just "proud" to be me in general. It's just the way it is.

^ That's a very good point well made.

I was reading an articile in a magazine and it says that gay/lesbian marriages often have less tension and fights.
It also shows that problems and conflicts are usually dealt with sooner and more openly in gay/lesbian marriages.

I hope this doesn't sound like I was saying gay/lesbian marriages are more functional than straight marriages or anything [I'm straight myself], I was just posting it because I thought it would be interesting and it's relevent to the topic

Fallen From Grace:

^ That's a very good point well made.

I was reading an articile in a magazine and it says that gay/lesbian marriages often have less tension and fights.
It also shows that problems and conflicts are usually dealt with sooner and more openly in gay/lesbian marriages.

I hope this doesn't sound like I was saying gay/lesbian marriages are more functional than straight marriages or anything [I'm straight myself], I was just posting it because I thought it would be interesting and it's relevent to the topic

Lesbian relationships have less violence. Gay male relationships have the most. And straight marriages are in the middle with violence.

Just to point that out.

ChildofthePostMortem:

I think that gay or bi people should be treated like everyone else (A big reason why I don't like America)

please elaborate.

Fallen From Grace:

^ That's a very good point well made.

I was reading an articile in a magazine and it says that gay/lesbian marriages often have less tension and fights.
It also shows that problems and conflicts are usually dealt with sooner and more openly in gay/lesbian marriages.

I hope this doesn't sound like I was saying gay/lesbian marriages are more functional than straight marriages or anything [I'm straight myself], I was just posting it because I thought it would be interesting and it's relevent to the topic

I have no idea wether this is true, but maybe there's a lower divorce rate in homosexual marriages because of what so many have to go through to get married in the first place...

In that because it's more effort, you're more likely to know wether it's going to work in the long term.

Hmm. and @ the post below.

As for there being more violence in male homosexual relationships, I don't know wether that's true, but if it is, if you think about it statistically it makes sense.

The majority of violence in heterosexual relationships is on the part of the man, so in a relationship involving two men you'd logically expect the odds of violence in the relationship to be higher. I mean, the sexuality of each man doesn't affect his level of violence, it's just that there's two men.

And then the same logic could be used to explain why there's less violence in female homosexual relationships.

....haha, kinda going in circles there, but do you get what I mean?

cheers,

=> Jess

sca:

As for there being more violence in male homosexual relationships, I don't know wether that's true, but if it is, if you think about it statistically it makes sense.

The majority of violence in heterosexual relationships is on the part of the man, so in a relationship involving two men you'd logically expect the odds of violence in the relationship to be higher. I mean, the sexuality of each man doesn't affect his level of violence, it's just that there's two men.

And then the same logic could be used to explain why there's less violence in female homosexual relationships.

....haha, kinda going in circles there, but do you get what I mean?

It's statistically proven for the same reasons you listed. The more testosterone in a relationship, the greater the chance of violence.

Alright, I may not be the most social-able person, but when I talk to people, I go an I talk about most things people consider improper. Things that usually starts debates, such as politics, religion and homosexuality.

I have never once met a person who was homophobic.

Many people on here post:
"I hate homophobes."

Okay, most of my close friends who are homosexual and bi-sexual have no problems with this either. I am not sure where most people find homophobic people.

Are they quite common in some areas?

I might also not have an understand of the word homophobic.
It is to be frightened of homosexuals, correct?

People are scared of homosexuality? From the news and other sources most people are angry.

Can someone elaborate please?

Charmless.:

Alright, I may not be the most social-able person, but when I talk to people, I go an I talk about most things people consider improper. Things that usually starts debates, such as politics, religion and homosexuality.

I have never once met a person who was homophobic.

Many people on here post:
"I hate homophobes."

Okay, most of my close friends who are homosexual and bi-sexual have no problems with this either. I am not sure where most people find homophobic people.

Are they quite common in some areas?

I might also not have an understand of the word homophobic.
It is to be frightened of homosexuals, correct?

People are scared of homosexuality? From the news and other sources most people are angry.

Can someone elaborate please?

Technically, considering prefix, suffix, and such, it means the fear of sameness. According to Merrium-Webster:

Homophobia: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\ (noun) - irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

And that is how it's used today. So a homophobe would be one who fears or discriminates homosexuals and/ or homosexuality.

Personally, I don't like people saying "I hate homophobes". It's disrimination, just like saying "I hate gays". Homophobia isn't right, but it doesn't mean that we should return the favor.

Leonore Paisley:

Technically, considering prefix, suffix, and such, it means the fear of sameness. According to Merrium-Webster:

Homophobia: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\ (noun) - irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

And that is how it's used today. So a homophobe would be one who fears or discriminates homosexuals and/ or homosexuality.

Personally, I don't like people saying "I hate homophobes". It's discrimination, just like saying "I hate gays". Homophobia isn't right, but it doesn't mean that we should return the favor.

But because of the definition you[edit: Webster I mean.] gave about wouldn't saying "I hate homophobes" mean "I hate discrimination"?

Psyche Adrenaline:

People think that the Bible contradicts itself, but truly it just changed from the Old testament to the New.

The reason Homosexuality is a "sin" is because it was not the way God wanted it to be, but homophobia is a "sin" as well, because you are supposed to 'Love thy neighbor'

The Lord doesn't tell us to shun people who love the same sex, but he tells us that he would rather us not be homosexuals.

So, in a way, the ones who shun homosexuals because they are religiously incorrect, are being very hypocritical.

I completely agree with you. In my English Speaking and Listening thing I talked about Homophobia and i put that point across (as a christian). Basically to add on, God doesnt hate you if you're homosexual, even though its not what he taught, because on the other hand, He loves everyone.

Also, I'm not sure, but if you think about it, we can't help our sexualities, we're sort of stuck with them, so IF God exists (which i reckon He does), surely he would understand and not pass judgement.

Fifteen year old gay boy killed by a fourteen year old boy; labelled a hate crime.

druscilla; in oz.:

Fifteen year old gay boy killed by a fourteen year old boy; labelled a hate crime.

You know most homophobes, don't usually pick up a gun and shot gays. Most 14-year-olds don't pick up guns and shot people.
I'm inclined to think that homophobia is just a piece of the puzzle and there's more to the story.

Ars Poetica.:

You know most homophobes, don't usually pick up a gun and shot gays

That isn't the only way to ruin a life. I know you didn't say it was, but I think it's needed to point that out. You don't have to physically harass someone to harm them.