Illegal Song Downloading.

Lovesick.:

It's not illegal to photo-copy a book or to write down quotes or even larger fragments from it.

Actually, if you don't source it and if the book says "do not copy", it is illegal.

Fentoozler:

Lovesick.:

It's not illegal to photo-copy a book or to write down quotes or even larger fragments from it.

Actually, if you don't source it and if the book says "do not copy", it is illegal.

Yes but most books don't say it.

And I didn't mean writing down as in plagiarizing, but as in copying fragments of text so you could read them later again.

If they reduced prices of CDs then people would buy them, and not get fined for illegal downloading. The CDs cost less than 1p (in UK money, don't know about US), so why can't they sell them for like...a fiver??

I don't think it should be. Bands make a lot more money off of touring anyway. It's just the big bands who are against it. Smaller bands actually like downloading because that is how a lot of them get exposure.
A long time ago the same exact thing happened with the radio. Artists thought it was unfair to put their music on the radio because people can listen for free.
You really can't turn back technology. It IS going to be legal someday.

It's not just limewire where you get songs. People upload .rar files which are harder to trace and are complete albums and discographies which have excellent sound quality.

I download songs, like Dru says, that I only want one song off of an album. I download alot of live songs, demos etc.

Lovesick.:

Yes but most books don't say it.

..yes they do :shifty On the page with the publication information, and if it doesn't say it... then it isn't illegal, how does that relate to stealing music off the internet at any rate?

Cynical Corruption:

I download songs, like Dru says, that I only want one song off of an album. I download alot of live songs, demos etc.

If I just want one stick of gum does that make it ok for me to steal it? No. The quantity you want doesn't matter, you still havr to pay for it. I doubt that 99 cents on iTunes is going to break you. And if it were to, that sucks but it doesn't justify stealing.

^ but what if it isn't on i tunes? Not everything is on i tunes.

Lovesick.:

Yes but most books don't say it.

And I didn't mean writing down as in plagiarizing, but as in copying fragments of text so you could read them later again.

You are right, copying a book (at least for non-resale or giving to someone else) is not illegal, just like downloading music off the internet (but only if you own the book/album).

In Canada, though, it's different =D At least for music. As of now (at least my provincial laws) it is not yet illegal to download music from the internet.

Even with that, I still buy the albums that I like for the album Art xD
I had all of Sonata Arctica's Songs (including Live, Demo and the very first album's songs that had the screw-ups... How I wish I had that collector's item!). I just love the band so much, I still went out and bought the CDs afterwards =3
I'm trying to get my hands on the Special Finnish edition (it's special for Canada xD) that's in the biodegradable case, comes with the Finnish edition only copy song which I love so much <3 (Sorry bout that... Music gets me going).

Toro_Sex:

^ but what if it isn't on i tunes? Not everything is on i tunes.

Ok, some other legal music downloading site, I don't care what it is. Just don't steal.

It's sad how the musi industry is going at the moment, what with the age of Myspace and illegal downloading.

While bands don't make a profit off illegal downloads, they do get their music to spread around, with more people listening and therefore getting more radioplay. This then leads to the live show ticket sales, where bands are more likely to get a more decent amount of money. With record sales, artists only get a small percentage of the cost - record companies are the big winners. Some artists have even released their stuff on the internet for free, as they just like getting their music out there in the hope of a bigger reputation.

While although its illegal, it's becoming increasingly hard to enforce the rules in this case because so many people are doing it and its becoming a common thing.

I don't particularly like downloading music, I prefer to buy the songs on CD, even if the record companies are the big winners. You get bonuses, like the album art, as well as knowing you're not stealing.

To the person who said bands make loads off of touring....no they don't. Big name bands do who play large venues, bands that are struggling, don't. What's funny...is it's usually the smaller bands who are living off their merch in the back of a van who want people to download their music...

Fentoozler:

To the person who said bands make loads off of touring....no they don't. Big name bands do who play large venues, bands that are struggling, don't. What's funny...is it's usually the smaller bands who are living off their merch in the back of a van who want people to download their music...

Exactly. Even big bands aren't exactly raking it in from what I can see.
Plus the music from downloading legally and buying CDs goes to the producers, managers etc. and that eventually pays for people like PAs, assistants, roadies. People who aren't making loads of money.

broken hallelujah.:

Exactly. Even big bands aren't exactly raking it in from what I can see.
Plus the music from downloading legally and buying CDs goes to the producers, managers etc. and that eventually pays for people like PAs, assistants, roadies. People who aren't making loads of money.

Yeah, i read in Rolling Stone that the Rolling Stones (band) had one of their least profitable tours in the history of their band, and that their last tour was the tour that earned more money than any other that year. So, even though they're making less money than they ever have before, they're still making more than anyone else. Thats horrible news for smaller bands.

I think it's okay to only download one song from one album, just to check you like it but I wouldn't encourage downloading whole albums.

My opinion-and I haven't read all this forum so I don't know if someone else has said it yet-but artists shouldn't get pissed over people illegally downloading their songs. They should be happy that their music is getting out there for people to hear and enjoy.

Fentoozler:

To the person who said bands make loads off of touring....no they don't. Big name bands do who play large venues, bands that are struggling, don't. What's funny...is it's usually the smaller bands who are living off their merch in the back of a van who want people to download their music...

I didn't say they made loads off touring.

Artists only get a tiny percentage of an album sale. For mainstream artists, that's not as bad because one, they sell more albums so the small sums add up, two, 'cause of merchandising, and three, because of their big concerts/promotions.

Luna Lovegood.:

My opinion-and I haven't read all this forum so I don't know if someone else has said it yet-but artists shouldn't get pissed over people illegally downloading their songs. They should be happy that their music is getting out there for people to hear and enjoy.

But nobody's making any money. A lot of bands do it because they want people to listen to their music and they do it because they love it, but it's still their job and they deserve to get paid.
It's easy to just say, 'I'm doing the band a favour I'm listening to their music' but if you're not paying, you're not really benefiting them much.

I get what you're saying about not stealing. And I almost kind of agree. But, I honestly doubt that if people download music off the internet that it's a big deal. They make money elsewhere, as in touring, photoshoots, etc. They can do without some peoples' ninety-nine cents.

Leonore Paisley:

I get what you're saying about not stealing. And I almost kind of agree. But, I honestly doubt that if people download music off the internet that it's a big deal. They make money elsewhere, as in touring, photoshoots, etc. They can do without some peoples' ninety-nine cents.

But it isn't just "some people", it's millions of people who are downloading illegally and not buying records. That hurts the industry.

At any rate, even if the music industry was at its highest point ever, making more money than before, that does not justify stealing songs. It's still just as wrong.

I guess that's where our morals differ. I think of it as listening to a song... not stealing. If I can't download it, I'm not going to listen to it, because I can't afford to buy it. At least I'm listening to the music at all. It should be about the music above anything else.