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  • Ayana Sioux

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    Jepha Howard.:
    I've never noticed a topic just for this, and I searched, but found nothing.

    What do you think about this disease? Your opinions on if it's something to just grab attention? What do you think can be done to help people with anorexia/bulimia? When do you think it's a disease, and when do you think it's just an infatuation with your weight?

    I think it's like any other disease, dangerous and deadly, it could ruin your life. Not eating makes you have no energy. You swing moods like crazy, you want to sleep all day, you're weak, and your periods skip, and mess up, if you're a girl.

    I think it's a disease when you're obsessing about every calorie that goes into your mouth. When you've stopped eating every meal, or when you're spending every waking moment thinking about the food that's in the kitchen.

    Opinions?
    I think it's an obsession about getting your weight down that develops into a psychological battle. Almost like how some rape victims (at least one I know of) starts hallucinating things or becomes overly paranoid about simple human iterations.

    I think the media has a lot to do with it also. Since I'm the one who generally brings race into topics when I think they apply, I'm about to do that now. Please note this though, I'm speaking solely off of what I've observed here in America. From what I've noticed, most women that have these problems are white Americans. I think a lot of this has to do with the media in America regarding beauty centers mostly around white women. Most of the models and women portrayed in these commercials for clothing, magazines and newspapers glorifies size 00-4 white (then black as the second majority) women. When and why this happened, I don't know. But because of this new stigma, many white women want to fit this idea of what's beautiful, a slim women. Some of it also has to do with what (from what I've observed) many white men desire (which I think they're brainwashed by the media and influence) that idea of a very slim, big chested woman (hence the reason many white women also get breast implants). Then the bigger problem is that some people just aren't meant to be a certain size. To be honest, I think some of the most pickiest races when it comes to women are white and Asian (who also desire very slim women, without big breasts). I think the problem is less common with black Amearicans because black men seem to be the least pickiest of all the races (from what I've observed) therefore black woman aren't as pressured to losing weight (so long as the black girl has a big butt, which I joke and say comes with being black).

    It's like the stupid stigma that the lighter you are, the more beautiful because then it leaves a lot of black women believing that if they get darker, they will become uglier. They also believe that if they get lighter, they'll be more attractive. I think it's stupid because to me, you're either not very attractive, you're average, or you are very attractive, doesn't matter about race, skin color, or anything (although we all have our preferences). I think a lot of this stigma has to do with racism (not just against black people, but other races of darker color), discrimination, slavery, and influence.

    Both have to stop. What people have to realize that beauty is not only skin deep, but it's a perception. Don't let your perception change because of the media. It all matter on what you like as a person. I'm done.
    June 14th, 2012 at 11:41pm
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    While media does indeed have a large impact on body image and insecurity, you're applying race to eating disorders which I think have nothing to do with each other. If someone has an eating disorder, the first thing that one looks at isn't the colour of their skin, it's the disorder itself. Media targets every person out there, not simply just women or men based on their skin colour or where they're from. Not just white men desire the figure you described either.
    And though yes, a percentage of the people who suffer with eating disorders are Caucasian and are women, it can hit everywhere/one else as well. I'm speaking from personal experience; I'm Asian and I've had an eating disorder for five years now.
    June 15th, 2012 at 04:08am
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    @ oxycontin
    Well, I was speaking on the majority, not "all people". Don't get too caught up in the fact that I threw race in there, which is something a lot of people do without actually considering every point I made. I think you're taking it more personal than it should be taken because I compared it to problems with the black race, but you made no comments on that.
    June 15th, 2012 at 06:57pm
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    Ayana Sioux:
    Well, I was speaking on the majority, not "all people".
    With respect, oxycontin could just as easily claim that his experiences are the majority, and that yours are the exception. (Regarding race relevance or lack thereof.)
    June 15th, 2012 at 07:04pm
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    @ pravda.
    Please educate me on this. Does this go off topic, though?
    June 15th, 2012 at 07:38pm
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    Ayana Sioux:
    Please educate me on this. Does this go off topic, though?
    No, I don't have information or experiences on it myself. But, like others on the thread have mentioned, there's a much higher correlation between factors like sexual abuse and having an eating disorder than taking in messages from 'the media'. And it's possible (I'm not saying likely or the reality, but possible) that groups which are not "white American women" (for example, men and minorities) feel there's a greater stigma attached to their having an ED and do more to hide it. -shrug- that's just speculation. I agree that there is a - how would you describe it - Aryan-centrism? - to perceptions of beauty, which leads to self-hatred and radical cosmetic alterations such as skin bleaching and lightening and the thousands that African American women spend to achieve 'white' hair, that sort of thing. And those things (and their implications) are disturbing and sometimes harmful. But they're a direct intervention to alter something - the equivalent, I think, of getting liposuction. Whereas an ED - again, as others have said - is an ongoing, debilitating quest for a feeling of control - I agree with the distinction that kingslayer made; an ED is not a crash diet to lose some pounds. I think the media does promote a great deal of dissatisfaction with one's body (in every way - shape, size, colour, smell, taste, dryness, softness, etc) and that's why 55-65% of women say their New Year's resolutions involve dieting. Media pressure can and does lead to body dissatisfaction, alongside individual characteristics like BMI, self-esteem, eating behaviours, perceived family dynamic, but body dissatisfaction is so widespread that it doesn't seem accurate to say it leads to EDs - otherwise, surely black women who feel these other pressures to be 'beautiful' in a 'European' way would be equally at 'risk' - and few/no 'slim/thin' women would develop a disorder. The fact that they do suggests there is more at play - the control issues, dysmorphia, etc. And though an extreme majority of fat people -may- have problems with self-esteem, body satisfaction, etc, due to 'social messages', one (US-based) ED recovery organisation says that only 10-15% of the nation suffers from a "serious eating disorder" while 61% of the nation is overweight or obese. Apparently only 7-9% of "normal dieters" proceed through pathological dieting on to "partial or full-syndrome" EDs. So, being overweight or thinking you need to diet are not an indication that you will develop an ED, and while "personal negative self-evaluation leading to body dissatisfaction can impact self-esteem, depression, anxiety, excessive dieting, and overall quality of life" these are not necessarily the "behaviors, thoughts and feelings persistent over time that contribute to a maladaptive relationship with food." Apparently "50% of girls between the ages of 11 and 13 see themselves as overweight," but [female] childhood eating disorders are nowhere near 50%.

    One relevant point from a 2010/11 study was to emphasise that
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    The family is the primary social institution influencing young children; thus, it is likely that many modifiable risk factors for body concerns, childhood obesity, and/or extreme weight
    control have substantial roots within the family context... However, there has been limited attention given to the role of family as a shaping factor in body satisfaction.
    It also suggested that "among females, increased dieting behavior was associated with lower quality of attachment to mother. For males, increased dieting behavior was associated with lower quality of attachment to father and associated with higher degree of parental control. Dieting behavior did not associate with BMIs in this sample." And, in women, that "a high BMI alone does not contribute to dieting behavior; however, in combination with low global selfworth and other factors might produce dieting behaviour."

    Anyway, so, physical characteristics do not themselves lead to EDs; factors such as self-worth and childhood environment and family relations seem to play a larger role than 'the media' - which you could respond to by saying the media determines self-worth, but, as I've said, I think it's useful to distinguish between not liking things about yourself and seeking immediate fixes for them, and the complicated psychology behind a developed, long-term disorder that most people know, in an objective way, is destructive and problematic. And they are long term - the recovery centre I mentioned says over three-quarters of individuals report the disorder as lasting from one year to fifteen or more. Anyway. I don't think it reduces to race or gender, I think it reduces to individuals - and the disproportion related to gender could very simply be linked to the matter of sexual abuse, since 75-90% of youth sexual abuse is of girls. But like I said, I don't know. Speculation. It would be interesting to see some studies on EDs relating to race and economic demographics. I guess it's easier to survey college men and women but that means the studies bear inherently any sample biases that college does.

    Recovery centre
    2010/11 study
    Obesity and EDs
    Gendered child abuse (p. 6)
    Okay, the internet has the answers: "there has been increasing evidence of disordered eating occurring among racial and ethnic minorities in the United States. Contrary to the persistent belief that eating disorders affect only young, white women, analysis of the Minnesota Adolescent Health Study found that dieting was associated with weight dissatisfaction, perceived overweight, and low body pride in all ethnic groups... among the leanest 25% of 6th and 7th grade girls, Hispanics and Asians reported significantly more body dissatisfaction than did white girls." [Source] "It is sometimes speculated that women from racial and ethnic minority groups are “immune” to developing eating disorders because their cultural identity provides some amount of protection against body image disturbances. For example, it is frequently asserted that African-American culture embraces larger body types than does the dominant culture, thereby making Black women less prone to body dissatisfaction." However, complicating things further, apparently some studies suggest it is 'white'-enculturated POCs who are more at risk of EDs - which could be interpreted in so many ways - as hatred of their race, as now coming under the 'white' body dissatisfaction anxieties - ambiguous. It says acculturation is important but not predictive. (And, again, suggests looking at individuals and their experiences/responses.) And, whether totally erroneously or not, that link suggests that media may matter more for POCs, "people furthest from the (dominant ideal of beauty)" who may be particularly at risk of "psychological effects of low self-esteem, poor body image, and eating disorders." So they would be responding to a hegemony they aren't a part of, whereas white women, at least, have their race/characteristics for the most part affirmed by the media. And none of this seems particularly directed at size/shape/weight.

    16 years ago, "Thompson (1996) interviewed eighteen women of varying socio-economic status and race and found that eating disorders were frequently a response to environmental stress (i.e. abuse, racism, poverty)." That seems like a very small sample - were they all women with eating disorders? If not, how many were? How was causation isolated to "response to environmental stress," merely the lack of other factors?

    But does it matter if we stereotype black women as being immune to EDs, or more resistant to them? Actually, yes. "African Americans and Hispanics are presumed to be inoculated from these disorders due to their cultures' different views of attractiveness. These preconceptions could impede proper awareness, diagnosis and treatment of dangerous medical and psychological conditions in ethnic minority groups." Just as there is a stigma in men having a "woman's disease," I imagine saying that anorexia is a "white girl's disease" would make an ED difficult to accurately identify and treat, on the part of the sufferer as well as her [their] community.

    This page discusses socio-economic factors in eating disorders, but I'm not sure how reliable the information is.
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    Cultures in which female social roles are restricted appear to have lower rates of eating disorders, reminiscent of the lower rates observed during historical eras in which women lacked choices. For example, some modern affluent Muslim societies limit the social behavior of women according to male dictates; in such societies, eating disorders are virtually unknown. This supports the notion that freedom for women, as well as affluence, are sociocultural factors that may predispose to the development of eating disorders.
    "Virtually unknown" may mean they lack the language or the means to express what is happening, that reports are not made or help is not sought. Not, necessarily, that there are less (or, rather, 'virtually no') women with EDs. -shrug- or maybe it's true, in which case, troubling/interesting.

    This discusses SES and EDs but I have to head out and have already spent too long on this silly post Neutral sorry, tl;dr etc.
    June 16th, 2012 at 04:45am
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    @ pravda.
    I won't lie to you, I didn't read all of that. That's too much for me to read on the computer. My eyes burn when I read on the computer for too long (plus my vision is bad) and to be even more honest, I only read a couple of sentences.

    But you're right. It slipped my mind, the part about sexual abuse and all. However, I'll defend myself by saying I was referring to anorexics that are anorexic because of the media and what some cultures consider beautiful.

    And like I said before, this is based off of my observations. From what I've observed, many African American women I know aren't as pressured to loosing weight as white women are. AND, if you spend a month in the US, you'll quickly notice the target race for many beauty products and etc.

    Damn, my eyes are burning right now.
    June 16th, 2012 at 04:40pm
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    Ayana Sioux:
    When and why this happened, I don't know. But because of this new stigma, many white women want to fit this idea of what's beautiful, a slim women. Some of it also has to do with what (from what I've observed) many white men desire (which I think they're brainwashed by the media and influence) that idea of a very slim, big chested woman (hence the reason many white women also get breast implants). Then the bigger problem is that some people just aren't meant to be a certain size. To be honest, I think some of the most pickiest races when it comes to women are white and Asian (who also desire very slim women, without big breasts). I think the problem is less common with black Amearicans because black men seem to be the least pickiest of all the races (from what I've observed) therefore black woman aren't as pressured to losing weight (so long as the black girl has a big butt, which I joke and say comes with being black).
    If wanting to attract men were the main reason why women developed eating disorders, then eating disorders would be unheard of among lesbians - but this is not true. If you're a woman you have roughly the same chance of developing an ED regardless of who you're attracted to (see study one and study two).
    June 19th, 2012 at 08:52am
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    @ kafka.
    Wait... if women thought men thought they were attractive if they are slim or skinny, then why wouldn't a women? For one.
    For two, do you know when the anorexia problem heightened?
    June 20th, 2012 at 05:20am
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    I feel bad, because I know that this isn't healthy, and what makes it worse is that I don't care. I have to be thin, and I'll do whatever it takes, honestly. I hate seeing myself in the mirror. All I see is fat, and a disgusting body, and it makes me so sad, and all I ever think about is that I'm a piece of shit that doesn't deserve food because I'm fat enough already. :(
    June 20th, 2012 at 08:52am
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    @ Ayana Sioux
    To be honest, I think the media promotes the idea that guys like girls with big boobs but that you are accepted more if you are stick thin.

    At the same time, I don't think that anorexia is caused by what people think is desirable. It goes deeper than just how attractive you are.
    June 20th, 2012 at 10:36pm
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    @ The Rumor
    Of course it does. But I was speaking on one problem. Sometimes I feel that anorexia starts with the idea that you're fat because of the media, then it becomes an obsession.

    However, this doesn't account for the people who have had other problems such as childhood abuse. It's almost like what I believe causes some people to become gay, from my belief (I won't go further into this discussion, just using it as an example). I think some people become gay because of trauma, childhood experience, their surroundings and etc. Then there's just those select few who were born the wrong gender (however, I think the numbers of those people are smaller than people want to believe).
    June 21st, 2012 at 01:23am
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    Ayana Sioux:
    @ kafka.
    Wait... if women thought men thought they were attractive if they are slim or skinny, then why wouldn't a women? For one.
    For two, do you know when the anorexia problem heightened?
    I'm not sure what you mean - but you clearly said that white men desire only 'very slim, big chested women' - not that it's a (wrongful) impression that white women have because of the media. Anorexia only started to be diagnosed about 30 - 40 years ago, but the prevalence of the disorder hasn't increased radically since then - it's still at around 0.5% - 1% of women. The average age of onset for anorexia is around 15-18, I'm not sure if at this age girls / young women's primary concern really is attracting men - or if when you're this young you get that much media exposure, most beauty products etc are advertised by and for older women.

    There's no scientific / statistical evidence in support of the idea that any kind of trauma, including sexual abuse, has any bearing on how a person's sexuality. Sexual abuse is very wide-spread - 1 in 4 women in abused - if abuse really did turn people gay, a lot more people would be gay.
    June 21st, 2012 at 08:35am
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    @ Ayana Sioux
    I agree that the idea that you're fat becomes something to fixate on but I think the root cause is not the media. While the media don't help at all, I don't think that only removing the media would help eating disorders that much when the root cause is still prevalant in the sufferer's psyche.

    Also, being gay and being born the wrong gender are two completely different things. You can be gay/lesbian and completely male/female. Being born the wrong gender is being transgendered and transgendered people can be straight. Gender identity and sexuality are very different things. I know this isn't a debate about homosexuality but felt that was very important to point out.
    June 21st, 2012 at 09:25pm
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    I wouldn't go as far as to say I have Anorexia (mainly because I haven't been formally diagnosed and I don't believe in self-diagnosing), although I have been having disordered habits/thoughts for the past 2-3 years.

    Not sure if it's triggering to some people to post more about it (if it is please stop reading this), but I've gone through compulsive exercising, restricting or fasting for days to weeks, purging, abusing diet pills and laxatives, binging, hoarding and hiding food in my room, and suicide idealization. My father once trapped me in the car to rant to me about how much weight I've been losing and how it's a "white girl's disease" and "no one in our family has had problems with their weight". He threatened to not take me to the gym anymore (since I was 14 at the time and depended on him for rides), so I lied by swearing I was eating normally again and he let me go and basically work out until I was ready to pass out.

    Then when I was 15 years old even my mom (she never really got into talking to me about my disordered habits) approached me and asked me if I was "eating properly". Of course I lied to her, too, and got away with—around the time—abusing laxatives, diet pills, and fasting. I was about to tell her many times that I thought I needed to see a doctor, but every time I had a moment I let it pass.

    So, fast forward to today, I've been trying to "recover" on my own, and although it's let me have moments of peace, it keeps coming back after like a week or two of feeling like I'm really past my darker days. I still, however, feel like it's my fault that my cousin is having serious issues trying to stop purging. We used to do very destructive things together, and now it's gotten way out of hand. I hope she can stop.

    Yeah rant over.
    June 22nd, 2012 at 12:17am
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    kafka.:
    I'm not sure what you mean - but you clearly said that white men desire only 'very slim, big chested women' - not that it's a (wrongful) impression that white women have because of the media. Anorexia only started to be diagnosed about 30 - 40 years ago, but the prevalence of the disorder hasn't increased radically since then - it's still at around 0.5% - 1% of women. The average age of onset for anorexia is around 15-18, I'm not sure if at this age girls / young women's primary concern really is attracting men - or if when you're this young you get that much media exposure, most beauty products etc are advertised by and for older women.
    Well honestly, I don't know how it is in Romania, but 15 - 18 is when many girls I know are most concerned about their appearance. Many girls around that age are also sexually active so it would only make since for them to be concerned about their body appearance and how they attract men. Also, I didn't say white men only desire very slim big chested women. I speaking on most white men from my observation... in America. I can't speak on the world because I know that in different countries white men desire different things.
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    There's no scientific / statistical evidence in support of the idea that any kind of trauma, including sexual abuse, has any bearing on how a person's sexuality. Sexual abuse is very wide-spread - 1 in 4 women in abused - if abuse really did turn people gay, a lot more people would be gay.
    Well, I did say that I wasn't going to discuss this any further (because I don't want a whole bunch of negativity being thrown at me) but I have a better way of approaching this. Not everyone reacts the same to trauma, stress and or sexual abuse. People don't react the same to certain instances. i.e. When I was younger, I was bullied a lot (mostly verbally) about things I had no control over, and because of how "different" I was. This lasted until eighth grade. With each year it got better, but it lasted for nine years of my life. I'm a very chill and laid back person and I don't take everything said to me to heart. Because of this, the only issue I have psychologically is my confidence when it comes to talking to boys I like (since most of the people who made fun of me were boys). However I have a friend who takes things to heart when she is talked bad about. Because of that, she sometimes cuts. Some people would have committed suicide if they received the bullying I did.

    I think a lot of people are actually being blind when it comes to the truths about sexuality because they don't want people to look at gay people as being different, or if something is wrong with them (not saying that something is wrong with them) but from what I believe, I don't think anyone is born with a certain sexuality. I don't think children are born with a mindset. However, I will go and say that people are born with a higher potential in liking the opposite gender, but that can only be established through their life experiences. Just think of it this way, I have a friend who has had issues with rapes and sexual abuse from men. She told me that she sometimes fears being around guys and/ or having sex because of this. She says she likes guys, but she is sometimes scared to get close to them. I asked her "did you ever think that you might become gay one day?" she told me no, but it could be a possiblity (she was being honest with herself). And it doesn't stop there. I also had a friend who had issues with most of the men in her life. She was sexualy active at a very young age and I was convinced that she liked men (from how she described them). However, she basically told me without really telling me that most of the guys in her life have been aweful. So, now she's full out gay because she doesn't want to deal with them anymore.

    I have too many examples on why I think that most people are not born gay and that things in their life give them the ideas. I have no problem with gay people at all, but I'm not going to take from any of them that they were born that way because all the gay people that I've really got to know in my life have some pasts that aren't too bright.
    June 22nd, 2012 at 04:58pm
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    @ Ayana Sioux

    This is derailing from the main subject of this thread so in case you want to continue the discussion please reply on any of the numerous threads on homosexuality on the forums, just link me to your reply. The American Psychiatric Association says about the cause of different sexual orientations that

    No one knows what causes heterosexuality, homosexuality or bisexuality. Homosexuality was once thought to be the result of troubled family dynamics or faulty psychological development. Those assumptions are now understood to have been based on misinformation and prejudice. Currently there is a renewed interest in searching for biological etiologies for homosexuality. However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality. Similarly, no specific psychosocial or family dynamic cause for homosexuality has been identified, including histories of childhood sexual abuse. Sexual abuse does not appear to be more prevalent in children who grow up to identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual, than in children who identify as heterosexual.

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    Well honestly, I don't know how it is in Romania, but 15 - 18 is when many girls I know are most concerned about their appearance. Many girls around that age are also sexually active so it would only make since for them to be concerned about their body appearance and how they attract men. Also, I didn't say white men only desire very slim big chested women. I speaking on most white men from my observation... in America. I can't speak on the world because I know that in different countries white men desire different things.
    Being concerned about your appearance and being concerned about what men desire are two very different things. People are taught from fairly early on that their self-worth is dependent on their appearance, especially their weight, because being 'unfit' or not thin is regarded as a sign of 'laziness', 'lack of self-control' etc. It's true that many girls that age are sexually active, but most aren't (this has a lot of data about adolescents / young adults, sex, pregnancy and birth control use). Women in their late 20s are more likely to be sexually active and get more media images about beauty / attractiveness /etc are aimed at them - so why is anorexia not likely to appear that late?
    June 22nd, 2012 at 05:30pm
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    @ kafka.
    From what I've noticed, the older I get, the more confidence I have in myself, including my appearance. From my observation, the ages where women are more prone to having a lower self esteem or conscious about their appearance is in their adolescent years. Just because a lot of beauty advertisements are targeted towards women in their 20s, that doesn't mean adolescent girls aren't influenced by what they see on the media. I know I was (when I was thirteen).

    And you must account for different cultures and their standards of beauty. Not every culture feels that to be thin and fit is to be attractive and that is where my idea of the different races have different ideas of beauty, I'm not just making things up.
    June 24th, 2012 at 10:47pm
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    Ayana Sioux:
    From what I've noticed, the older I get, the more confidence I have in myself, including my appearance. From my observation, the ages where women are more prone to having a lower self esteem or conscious about their appearance is in their adolescent years.
    "Although anorexia nervosa is most commonly associated with teenage girls and young women, the latest research shows that it is as likely to occur in the elderly - and that eating disorders in the elderly are more deadly, accounting for 78% of all anorexia deaths." [article]

    Whilst it seems sort of obvious that if it is equally prevalent in both groups, the old/frail will be more likely to account for more deaths, the point is that it is as likely to occur in the elderly - who are neither being marketed to (for the beauty/fashion industry) nor, probably, concerned with attracting a man to the same degree / for the same reasons. (There's a lot of sex / infidelity / STDs amongst the elderly, actually, but I expect that sex and relationships are seen quite differently on that end of life, in terms of desires and expectations.) If, like you say, the older people get, the more confidence they have - there should be no anorexia in those in their 30s, 40s, etc. Did you eventually read my tl;dr post, because I actually addressed the point that a vast majority of anorexia sufferers had the disease for 1-17+ years (rather than getting a bit older and 'gaining confidence'.) I feel like you're really infantilising white women as extremely weak / susceptible to 'media messages' even though a) I provided you evidence that eating disorders are equally if not more prevalent (and highly under-diagnosed, because of the 'white girl' myth) amongst female POCs, and b) both kafka. and myself have provided ample evidence that factors like family environment and presence of child abuse have much, much higher correlations with eating disorders than whether the person read fashion magazines or listened to beauty advertisements so I don't see why that's your primary focus. People who develop an eating disorder may well turn to media sources to reinforce their thoughts/feelings - i.e. for 'thinspiration' - but it doesn't appear to be the cause and you're suggesting a disturbing lack of agency against advertising if you maintain that it is.
    June 25th, 2012 at 04:19am
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    @pravda.
    You're only proving my point more about the targeted industry. However, my first point was focused on how it can be helped. I believe more help can be put forth through the media than controlling what goes on in someones household. Never did I say anything about where most of the problem lies because I know its not the media. Its about what most people can help.
    June 25th, 2012 at 05:55am