Feminism

^Agreed. There is no better sex.

Personally, I'm all for feminism. The main thing that I don't understand is this whole thing that a woman with feminist ideas shouldn't wear make-up, or dress up nicely, or wear high heels lest she be called a 'hypocrite' or a 'sell-out' which...yeah, trust me, it happens. It's a huge hypocrisy in itself that a Feminist can call another woman a slut or something equally unpleasant because she likes to dress up (or, uh, down...), or flirt with men. Everyone should have the right to feel beautiful and confident about their body, miniskirt or no. :cute:

My belief is that everyone should have equal rights, and that includes women, men, lesbians, gays, bisexuals, pansexuals, coloured people, transsexuals and transgendered people. Everyone. When the Feminist movement is populated by people who believe women should be treated better than men, or that a woman shouldn't dress, act and live exactly the way she wants, it's a contradiction to itself.

I believe that women should be given the same opportunities as men when it 's comes to careers, and I disagree with whoever said that there shouldn't be females in the armed forces. It still seems to be this huge taboo, and there's this idea that all women in the armed forces are lesbians, which is totally, totally untrue, yet it's generally accepted that we can do other high-risk jobs like police work, fire-fighting, security work and positions in the emergency medical services.

Hmm.

I'd join the Army or the Navy or whatever if I wasn't a total wuss. :cute: Heh, if I put my mind to it, I could probably be Prime Minister. ;)

Yeah. I'm all for feminism. And whoever said it was OK for guys to call women sluts and whores is so wrong. Like doll face said, there's nothing wrong with being confident about your body. ;)

I'm not a feminist, but I could see myself as one... maybe.

Anyways, the entire sex ordeal, where men are praised for having sex multiple times with multiple women compared to women who are looked down upon for having it with more than one person. It's absolutely ridiculous. Then if you are a women who has done it several times with different men, your then referred to as a slut or a whore, and men are just lucky.

It frustrates me. I just want to see equality, where both men and women respect each other highly. I can't stand hearing about the non-existent women rights in the Middle East. It's maddening.

That's what makes a feminist.

Someone who disagrees or is angered by discrimination against women. :D

I can't bring myself to read 'Full Frontal Feminism'. It's not because I don't agree with anything in it or that I'm not a feminist, it's just that I can't stand to read books that aren't fiction/fantasy. :shifty

I am a feminist, and I do believe that women and men should be treated equally. Many people get the idea that feminists think that women should have more rights than men and everyone else, but that's not true. It's the belief of equality to both sexes.

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Do you identify with feminism? Do you consider yourself a feminist? What do you think about reproductive rights? Do you feel that there is an under-representation of women in your government? Do you feel society does make women feel they must be perfect? Why?

Yes, I identify with feminism and I agree with all the points you stated above. I don't know if I consider myself a feminist or not, only that I agree with feminist ideals. There is a disgusting under representation of women in the government and also in positions of leadership in their careers. How many women CEOs do you think there are among the Fortune 500 companies? Probably less than half...probably less than that by far. Society is awful when it comes to pressuring women to unachievable ideals. It's sick and masochistic in a way. I just hope things get better in the future. As things stand right now, women are still a long way away from being truly equal with men. If we were truly equal, we'd get paid the same amount for the same job.

I'm not a feminist, which doesn't mean I don't agree on a lot of issues they talk about. I also respect feminism, and understand why it was born in the first place. Only I've had comments from some feminists that really shocked me. It seems to me that a lot of feminists interpret the least little things, in what a man will say to a woman, etc. Once I told my aunt who's a feminist about one of my male friends, of how he talks a lot about quantom physics and science all the time, and even though I'm almost never really interested I listen to him because I like him and don't want to hurt his feelings. Well, my aunt started moralizing to me, or should I say "feministizing" to me, about how I let the man be in charge, in control, how I should say straightt to his face that i'm not interested in his conversation. There is such a thing as being polite, though. She didn't seem to see that. Since then, I've pretty much gone off feminism. But I know all feminists aren't that extreme, and I feel very concerned about women's rights, especially regarding the debate on Islam, and whether women should be allowed to wear the veil in non-Islamic countries. An interesting debate...

Well, if you do realize that not all feminists are like your aunt, then why does it put you off femiism? I hope that didn't sound bitchy, because I'm just curious.

I guess because she was one of the many other examples I could give. There are many feminists around me, and they all go to certain extremes. I also know this woman who's a feminist and tried to become a lesbian, just for the sake of it - until she realized it wasn't her thing. Again, you could argue that only the ones around me are like that, but until I meet or read about feminists who aren't going that far, how can I change my mind about it? I realize I'm not expressing this too well. In my opinion, feminism, like a lot of other things, tends to go too far. That's all, really. But you know what? I think I don't consider myself a feminist because I never really take part in anything, I'm not part of some association or whatever, I don't protest or ever write about women's rights, but I guess I do support it. And anyway, let's not forget there are different kinds and degrees of feminism. I don't support radical feminism, for instance, for the same reason I don't support communism (I'm more for evolution than radical change, more socialist than communist, etc. ^^). I feel closer to Liberal feminism.

^ That's cool. You don't have to be extreme to be a feminist. :cute: It's just about where you stand on women's rights.

And men's rights. :shifty

Feminism is about women getting equal treatment to men. Hence the "Fem" part of the word. Do you see men getting payed less than a woman because he is of a different sex? I've never seen it. When a man is discriminated against for having a penis, let me know.

The book you own called Full Frontal Feminism says in it that Feminism is about the equal rights of men and women. Therefor, feminists are not women who think that they should have more power than men, they just think they should have the same rights. A lot of men get the wrong idea in thinking that feminists want to have more power than them.

Don't you think there's ever been one case in history where men have been discriminated against because of the sex they are? Like some tribe or something? I've never heard about it, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

My point is that there is no fight for men's rights.

Men are not oppressed. :coffee:

You're wrong about that. There are cases where males are oppressed in today's society, you just don't hear about those as much.

This article speaks of some of those ways:

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"Women also are not required to sign up for the draft at age 18 like males in our society."

Because the people in power think men are stronger than women.

Oh, and those poor, poor men having to support their own children. Coming from experience, without child support, many women could not even feed their children.

edit: Actually, the female drafting age is 18. At least, that's what my sources tell me.

My aunt is one :file:
We don't usually care :tehe:

I see myself as a liberal feminist. I believe that society itself shouldn't actually have to change, but women and men should take it upon themselves as individuals to assert equality amongst the sexes, i.e within their relationships, their families etc. What is equality to one woman may not be equality to next, and so forth.

It's not like radical feminism in the sense that we want to change the societal structure for everyone.

However, I also believe that if it wasn't for the radical feminists of yesteryear that women wouldn't be where they are today. So I don't disagree with the ideology of radical feminism, I just personally wouldn't partake in it.

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My point is that there is no fight for men's rights.

Men are not oppressed. :coffee:

Of course men are never refused jobs that are traditionally associate with women, they never have a hard time going to the police if sexually abused by a woman, and they are regarded as just as good parents as women in matters of adoption or child custody.
Sexism works both ways, it's naive to think that only women are exploited.
I believe the movement is called menism.

I don't get the whole "not wearing a bra thing" It's just there for support, and larger chested women need them, or else it hurts to run or jump or hell, walk. (At least for me)
And heels: I can walk in heels. I enjoy wearing heels.
Femi-nazis need to like, go away.