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    I apologise if my post offended you. It wasn't meant to.
    January 29th, 2015 at 11:25pm
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    Just remember to treat people with respect.
    January 29th, 2015 at 11:27pm
  • This.Useless.Heart.

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    Something I think a lot of people fail to take into account when considering and debating feminism is that feminism helps everyone. Yes, it is (and should be) primarily about helping women gain more equal footing in societies where men are more valued and granted more privilege, but feminism, in promoting and placing higher value on women, will help people of all genders. That's why the whole "men's rights activists" and "meninists" baffle me so much. It's like the problems men face in patriarchal societies are not the fault of women, but rather the fault of said patriarchy. If you support feminism and want all the genders to be equal, suddenly we have both women's rights and men's rights and everyone wins! I don't know why some folks don't see that. It seems incredibly obvious to me. Rolling Eyes
    February 7th, 2015 at 09:07pm
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    @ This.Useless.Heart.
    And meninists don't fight for anything. Their point is to argue with women and defeat their arguments. They aren't earning money for men's shelters. They aren't campaigning to end sexual abuse against men. They aren't fighting offensive male stereotypes. They're harassing women online and whining about Bronies.

    And that is why it offends me when people suggest there's nothing wrong with such a movement. If meninists actually campaigned for shit instead of just existing to be against women, t would be a completely different issue.

    Feminists are the ones who believe men are NOT animals who can't control themselves at the sight of a woman.
    February 10th, 2015 at 03:18pm
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    Exactly. All too often these so-called Men's Rights Activists don't do anything that actually helps men, but feminists do. The "meninists" are (as my Mom might say) not part of the solution, but part of the problem. Feminism fights for all the things such men claim to want as well as things they probably don't want (and would if they were decent people, but usually they are jerks and that's putting it as lightly as I can) but should.
    February 12th, 2015 at 07:14pm
  • CallusedSilk

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    I need feminism because 50 Shades of Grey is still being called sexy and romantic when Christian Grey is actually an abuser. This is literally a book and movie where when a woman says she wants to leave, he tells her that her body tells him otherwise and says that her pressing her thighs together, skin being flushed and breathing being heavy is sign she doesn't want to go.

    This is a guy that repeatedly refers to his mother as the 'crack whore' because she was a prostitute, even though she was beaten to death and clearly a victim even before then.

    This is a guy that repeatedly tells an intelligent young woman that he knows her body better than her and that he knows what's best for her. He makes her eat only foods that are on a list he provides and he makes her go on birth control, because he doesn't want to wear condoms.

    I get that Valentine's Day is a bullshit commercial cliche anyway, but at least some people believe it's about romance, and 50 Shades of Grey is not romance. It's not sexy. It's not healthy and it should not be revered. Am I saying the book or movie should never have been made? Actually, no, but let's all talk about this situation like it really is. It's a highly abusive and manipulative man that gets away with it solely because he's rich and 'handsome'. That should be the message of these books and movies, that no matter how charming or rich or handsome a guy seems? If he's abusive or controlling then he's not worth being with.
    February 12th, 2015 at 08:16pm
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    @ CallusedSilk
    Preach, man. It's absolutely disgusting how such a story has been marketed as something romantic and sexy. It honestly sickens me that there are people out there who really think it is and may be getting hurt as a result.
    I think the issues behind that go deeper than just in-equality between the sexes, although that's undeniably a huge part of it.
    February 21st, 2015 at 03:49am
  • Annothy

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    Let's look at things from a boys perspective

    'Boys don't cry'- yes they do

    'A woman's touch'- men can make things look good to

    Also if a girl likes the coler blue then its fine but if a boy likes the coler pink then he is considered as gay and like a girl.

    And if I woman slept with someone underage she would go to prison but not as long as a man would if he did it.

    And when a couple get divorced, why do the kids go with the mom? Because if a man takes it to court to get legal custody of his own children then its mostly likely that the woman will win.

    And men can be in abusive relationships to, its just nobody wants to talk about that its all swept under the carpet.

    Men can go thru just as much struggle as woman its just they don't complain about it as much.
    February 26th, 2015 at 08:06pm
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    Maleficent A:
    'Boys don't cry'- yes they do

    'A woman's touch'- men can make things look good to

    Also if a girl likes the coler blue then its fine but if a boy likes the coler pink then he is considered as gay and like a girl.
    Society places less worth on women. It's bad for a guy to cry or like feminine things (like the colour pink) because that makes him more like a woman and being more like a woman = weaker, of less worth to society. Men that are "like women" are not seen as being less equal for being men, but for being more like women.
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    Men can go thru just as much struggle as woman its just they don't complain about it as much.
    They can but as a group, they don't. A very quick Google at 6am will tell me that "9 of every 10 rape victims were female" and "The majority of violence against men is committed by other men. Of men who reported that they had experienced physical violence in the 12 months before the survey, 73.7% said that the perpetrator was a male."

    I feel feminism is incredibly important for both men and women. Men SHOULD be allowed to cry and not be seen as lesser human beings for it. Women should not have to feel any less or be treated as such just because they're, on average, not as physically strong as men, or because of religion, or any other reason under the sun.
    February 26th, 2015 at 08:30pm
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    @ Maleficent A
    Feminism is not a man-hating group. I have no idea where you got this notion, but believe me when I say that feminism is not that.

    Feminism is giving power to women, and to let men know that they will not be seen as less of a man for shedding tears, or for liking things that most men don't normally like. Breaking gender roles, equality among all men and women.

    As many of these other users on this site have stated, this is all about equality. Now either you let yourself take in all this information and start assimilating it, or your points of argument will land you in the same spot over and over again. Which is?

    A lot of disagreement, and nothing being learned. Take it from a gal who was a hardcore anti-feminist.
    February 28th, 2015 at 08:31pm
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    @ SmilingScarlet
    Well said!

    I love that there's a thread on Mibba where these notions that feminists don't care about the opinions of men, their emotions, etc can be dispelled - we (or I at least, don't want to talk about everyone) care for all genders, sexes, ethnicities, etc. If I have a son, I want him to be able to embrace whatever he feels is right, to be able to confide his feelings in me without being shamed for being too weak or not 'manly' enough.

    Also, Grl Pwr has gotten me through a lot these tough times.

    In 2015, when people ask me if I'm a feminist, I'm going to respond, "You aren't?" because it's time for people to open up to what things mean, not just what their label might be interpreted as.

    If any of that made sense, haha.
    March 3rd, 2015 at 11:46pm
  • IsaacTheHonestRanter

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    This is incredibly laughable.

    Angels and Roses made sound arguments and the only counter-argument is "Respect their opinions!"

    Third-wave feminism is a joke. You focus on trivial issues like manspreading and video games when women in Africa are the real ones who need help.
    "Oh, people don't know which organisations to join!" Um, there's something called the internet. You know, that thing where you have endless waves of information right at your fingertips. You can't expect everything to be laid on a silver platter; if you want something, you have to work for it.

    An ex porn star was gang-raped in her own home with her children forced to watch and to you see the main voices in feminism talking about this? Do you see her story get thousands of reblogs on Tumblr? No, as she's an ex porn star and she doesn't fit into your category of white, non "slutty" female.

    I find that feminists are the true misogynists here. They complain about "damsels in distress" yet have no qualms in degrading women into damsels. You can't even look at a girl without being labelled a misogynist.

    Now, I am of the firm opinion that a woman should be allowed go out into the street without being ogled, and that any one staring at her should stop if she asks. Same goes for a man. But if she wears skimpy clothing showing off skin, of course people are going to notice! If I walked out on the street naked, I can't accuse someone of being sexist if they happen to stare at my genitalia.

    And the patriarchy! If you want to see a patriarchy, go out to Africa, or maybe build a time machine and teleport back five hundred years. In the Western world, there is no patriarchy. A patriarchy is a solely male dominated society, hence the "patri". There is none of that in the Western world. Women can choose what to do with their bodies for the most part, except in countries/states where abortion is illegal, which I agree is sexist. I am adamantly pro-choice myself and I will rally with anyone who is pro-choice.
    Women are treated which much more respect in society than what they once were. Yes there are sexists, but you don't see feminists out there battling these issues. They go on Tumblr and whine "I saw a man spreading his legs on a train!" Yes, because you know, men don't have something between their legs that makes it slightly uncomfortable to put them together, you know?

    Collin Berend also put together sound arguments, but of course, he was accused of being "belittling and condescending" when he was simply pointing out flaws in the philosophy. Feminists love to silence people like this.

    Also, what's wrong with people drawing art of women? Feminists don't complain when women draw beautiful men, so why is it a problem when men draw pretty women? I don't personally do it myself, but art is art and everyone should be allowed to draw what they want. Drawings aren't hurting anybody. Yes, people can draw disgusting/inappropriate things, but I'd rather if someone drew a disgusting drawing then doing it in real life.

    As for the body shaming thing, everyone has their body shamed. Men are encouraged to be manly and masculine while women are encouraged to be curvy and slim. It's the same with everyone. Why do people give the media such attention? If this was ignored it with die out as quickly as it came about, but feminists pump it full of air. Look at the stuff gay men have to go through. The about of shaming they're forced to experience is worse than what the majority of people face. Body shaming is wrong, but as I said before, if you actively expose your body, people are going to comment on it.

    Feminism has done a lot of good for women, that I won't deny, but third wave feminism is only encouraging people to disrespect women and feminists, not respect them.

    Have you ever heard of an organisation called "Anonymous"? They are a group of internet vigilantes who actively oppose groups which are suppressing freedom of speech, freedom of expression, critical thinking, etc. They recently called out third wave feminism. These are a group of people who have stopped hackers and have called out Scientologists, one of the biggest brain-washing rackets ever.
    March 28th, 2015 at 02:18am
  • IsaacTheHonestRanter

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPok3q932rk
    March 28th, 2015 at 02:25am
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    First things first.... Please don't use Tumblr to form your opinions on certain causes. I hope this isn't breaking any rules but... Tumblr is a horrible place to form opinions on anything. People on Tumblr are notorious for being extremists (and most of them are trolling at that) and not representing the actual movement they're "fighting" for. Please don't let that site influence how you feel about something because you really shouldn't. Furthermore, please don't be so quick to demonize an entire cause because of some extremists. You are demonizing and denouncing the entire movement of feminism based on some extremists who don't represent the majority of the movement.

    With that out of the way, I'll move on. I won't address most of what was in your post because most of it was addressed merely by the paragraph above. But I will address other things...

    It feels like you have a very simplistic view about feminism and patriarchy in general. You're painting these two issues to be extremely black and white, and that's just not how these issues work. Things would be so much simpler if it could be that easy but it's not. To say that patriarchy does not exist in the Western world does give an idea that you see these things in a very simplistic way that they should never be seen in.

    I suppose I cannot speak for the situation in the UK but here in the U.S, patriarchy does still exist and it is thriving. Patriarchy is about much more than just women having control of their bodies. It's about much more than just abortion. It's not that simple. Even if it was that simple, it would still exist. Many States are trying to make abortion harder if not impossible to get, make Plan B harder to access, and make birth control harder to afford. Patriarchy is also about the way women are treated, and there is a war on women in the U.S.

    The U.S is still a very sexist country. Are we as bad as others? No. Of course not. But that does not mean we should ignore our sexist tendencies and say it doesn't exist for us merely because we're "not as bad" as other countries. Women are still treated lesser than men in the U.S. Women are still paid less than men. Women are still turned down for a "man's job". Women are still blamed for rape and still viewed as objects.

    Do we have more respect than in the past? Yes. But once again, that does not mean we should ignore the current issues we are facing. I have faced sexism more than I would have liked. I enjoy wearing shorter skirts from time to time when it gets hot (and with California's drought, it does get hot). I don't complain about the attention I get from males or females because, quite frankly, I do like it. What I will complain about is people talking down to me for wearing the skirt and believing my body is theirs to touch. It's not.

    Wearing a short skirt does not make my body public property. I don't appreciate wolf whistles or sexist comments (unwelcomed sexual comments are NOT compliments). Compliments are one thing. Shit like wolf whistles are an entirely different thing. Furthermore, you* do not have permission to sexually harass me or touch me without my permission. If I tell someone to leave me alone and/or to not touch me, then they need to. It's not okay for society to say that I (or any woman) deserves to be harassed because I chose to wear a "short" skirt.

    So yes, patriarchy does still exist and Western society is still sexist. These things are not gone and they are a very long way from being gone. The way a man is treated matters to but here's the thing.... Not everything has to be about a man. Saying "but the men!" is like saying "but the heterosexuals!" when fighting for LGBTQ rights. It's not right and shows misunderstanding of the subject at hand. Men's rights matter too but sometimes the conversation needs to be on women's rights without someone trying to turn the subject back to men.

    *You is used in a general sense and not directed at anyone in particular.
    March 28th, 2015 at 03:02am
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    But if she wears skimpy clothing showing off skin, of course people are going to notice! If I walked out on the street naked, I can't accuse someone of being sexist if they happen to stare at my genitalia.
    This in itself shows that you aren't viewing women and men equally. You compared a woman who is wearing clothes to a man (yourself) who is naked. That is not equal. You are pretty much saying that if a woman shows skin, then she deserves to be looked at and oogled, but the only time a man should be oogled is when he's stark naked and everything is on show.
    March 28th, 2015 at 03:29am
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    Well said.
    March 28th, 2015 at 10:34am
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    An ex porn star was gang-raped in her own home with her children forced to watch and to you see the main voices in feminism talking about this? Do you see her story get thousands of reblogs on Tumblr? No, as she's an ex porn star and she doesn't fit into your category of white, non "slutty" female.
    I think that with this comment you are zoning in on a minority of feminists. Feminism is the equality of all genders and therefore all women, regardless of if they are black, white, Asian, European, etc. Regardless of if they are porn stars, abstaining or any other form of sexual expression. It is supporting women for being free to live out their life however they choose, with no negative judgment on another's lifestyle. (This also spreads to other genders, but I was using women as the focal point.)

    Just because it isn't mass-spread or talked about doesn't mean it's unimportant or that people don't care. It's one of many things that happen, that aren't well known about. The "main voices in feminism" can't report on everything.
    March 28th, 2015 at 01:36pm
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    @ Mr. Darcy
    Of course, go ahead and misrepresent my words.

    It was an example. Anyone who shows off a bit of skin is going to get noticed. A man who takes of his shirt is going to get noticed, just as a woman who takes off her shirt is. Who took my example as literal to attempt to silence me when it was not meant to be taken literally! Did I say that the only time a man should be oogled is when he's naked? Did I say the only time a girl should be ogled is when she's wearing clothes? No, I was using an example. That example was meant to say that if you walk down the street wearing very little and showing off skin, you can't expect people not to comment. This goes for both men and women.

    @ cavalier youth.
    Nope, I'm zoning in on the majority. I've been all over the internet on non Tumblr sites and no one seems to care. People are going to judge others regardless. You can't expect assholes to stop being assholes. It's a noble goal, just like anarchism, but an unrealistic one.

    Definition of feminism "s a collection of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment."

    This is not all genders. It's for women. Egalitarianism is for everyone, not feminism.

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    Thanks.

    @ Airi.
    I'm bisexual, yet heterosexuals are still hindered. Why? Because when someone comes out as gay, they're automatically put on a pedestal and you're accused of being homophobic if you criticise them, even if you're not criticising their sexuality. I also find that while homophobia is incredibly rampant, you're allowed criticise heterosexuals for their sexual choices (like if they sleep with many people) but you're not allowed do it to gay people. I've never seen a gay person be criticised for being "slutty".

    I'm also not solely using Tumblr. I made two references to Tumblr in the entire post. I've read articles, studied writings from feminist sociologists etc. A lot define patriarchy differently, which makes it difficult for people to know what a patriarchy is. Some people define it where the world isn't 100% politically correct, which makes patriarchy impossible to eradicate. Some define it more loosely.

    You haven't attacked the other things in my post since you believe I'm referencing "Tumblr". I made two references to it in the entire post. You aren't attacking these stances because you don't have a counter-argument so you quickly dismiss it, as what happened with Collin Berend and Angels and Roses.

    As for the pay gap, those statistics are incredibly biased, just as Angels and Roses already proved. The pay gap disappears when you take factors such as the level of education, the amount of hours worked, the amount of years working, beforehand experience, etc. I left a link to a video with a women saying the same thing.

    As for positions in government, no many women in America are becoming politicians, as Colin Berend already said.

    Women are still turned down for a "man's job"? Same would go for a man if he applied for a "woman's job".

    Also, I despise the notion that "women need to be made equal to men". This anecdote is said by feminists. This implies that the feminist doesn't think women are equal in the first place. Men and women are equal, it's just that people don't see them that way.

    Women are not viewed as objects that need to be married off and sold like cattles and be blamed for rape in the Western society nowadays. They were a couple hundred years back, even as soon as the 1950s, but not nearly as much as today, if at all. There was the horrific incident with the Stuebenville rape case, but this was a sole case. This is not the norm.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40oYCc2onS4 This sums up my views.

    Instances in where one gender is treated less than the other goes both ways.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmmtzRtVEiY While this isn't about feminism, this can apply for feminism.

    As for abortion, yes, the pro-life position is sexist. That I do agree.
    March 28th, 2015 at 03:24pm
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    I'm just going to be honest and upfront about this now so we can just get it out of the way.... I have not and I will not watch any of those videos nor any videos in the future. All three of the videos you posted hold little weight in a discussion over rights. I've taken a peek at the videos and from the little I saw, they're merely just videos of people ranting and nothing more. I will say the same thing on Mibba that I say on other sites. If you wish to have a discussion then please use your own words. Most people are not going to waste their time watching such videos like that. You can use our own words or link to actual articles people can read. So any point you were trying to make by linking me to videos is going to be lost because I'm not spending my time on them.

    Now I mentioned the Tumblr references from your initial post because those were the only references to sources in your post aside from the video (which holds about as much weight as Tumblr does for a source on anything). If you have other sources then you haven't used them once yet. You didn't once use any other source/website to support your point besides trying to use Tumblr as a reason to oppose feminism which does make it seem like you're getting your information from Tumblr. And I apologize for that misunderstand. I'm merely going off the way your posts are making it sound and those do tend to cause misunderstandings quite often.
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    I'm bisexual, yet heterosexuals are still hindered. Why? Because when someone comes out as gay, they're automatically put on a pedestal and you're accused of being homophobic if you criticise them, even if you're not criticising their sexuality. I also find that while homophobia is incredibly rampant, you're allowed criticise heterosexuals for their sexual choices (like if they sleep with many people) but you're not allowed do it to gay people. I've never seen a gay person be criticised for being "slutty".
    You have completely missed my point entirely. Honestly, your post sort of confuses me. This is not meant to sound offensive but I honestly don't know where you're living because it does not represent what happens in the majority of the world. Yes, the world is slowly becoming more accepting of LGBTQ people but it's nowhere near the level you're trying to say it is.

    Yes, if I came out to someone as a lesbian than I would not be harmed for it but I also live in San Francisco. No one is ever going to think twice about your sexuality. They're going to treat it as normal whether you tell them you're gay, straight or something else because that's just how we are around here. Yet, if I were to go back to New Mexico were I used to live then my life would be endangered because being gay is not accepted at all in the area I lived in. I'm in no way ever put on a 'pedestal' for being gay and no one ever is. That notion is a bit outlandish. People commend those who come out because it is still dangerous for people to come out in certain areas. Their lives are still in danger.

    With all due respect.... If you've never seen an LGBTQ person be called a "slut" then it seems like you don't know a lot of LGBTQ people because it's quite common. I've been called a slut (among other things) more times than I can remember because of the number of women I've been sexual with (and most of those sexual encounters never even led to sex). I'm not the only one either. I've seen a lot of people, male and female, be called nasty things for their sexual habits. It's not uncommon.
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    You haven't attacked the other things in my post since you believe I'm referencing "Tumblr". I made two references to it in the entire post. You aren't attacking these stances because you don't have a counter-argument so you quickly dismiss it, as what happened with Collin Berend and Angels and Roses.
    Allow me to stop you right there. I am not attacking anything. None of my words have been attacking at all. If they've come off that way then I do apologize. That has never been my intent. But please, do not accuse me of attacking anyone when I have merely attempted to open up an honest discussion about feminism. These are discussion and debate boards. I'm not attacking anyone by politely challenging their opinions. Only opening a debate.
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    As for the pay gap, those statistics are incredibly biased, just as Angels and Roses already proved. The pay gap disappears when you take factors such as the level of education, the amount of hours worked, the amount of years working, beforehand experience, etc. I left a link to a video with a women saying the same thing.
    Yes, those can be factored in. However, have you also factored in the societal reasons why women don't work as many hours or get the same education a man does? There are a lot of societal reasons that women choose the paths they do. Many women don't seek education because it's seen something a man does while the woman is expected to stay home. Women are told this countless times throughout their lives. When you're told something enough, you begin to believe it even if you don't want to. Perhaps if we stopped trying to tell women their "places" are at home being housewives then more women would feel comfortable entering the workforce the same way men do.
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    As for positions in government, no many women in America are becoming politicians, as Colin Berend already said.
    Honestly, I've got no idea who Colin Berend is. I'm assuming they were someone from one of the videos you posted? I'm not really sure. ^^" Anyway... The same thing could be said for this as I said above... Yes, there aren't a lot of female politicians. However, have you ever stopped to think about why? It's pretty easy for someone to blame women for it and not actually think about why they aren't pursuing these types of careers. Just think about it. I can use the election when Hilary Clinton was running for the primary for president. The things I heard a majority of people saying was that Hilary couldn't be president because she was a woman and the world "wasn't ready" for a female president.

    Women are told they're not fit for things like politics or that the world wouldn't "accept" them if they were. Women are constantly berated and told they don't belong. Perhaps if we changed the way society talked to women pursuing these careers than more women would feel confident in doing them. Just food for thought.
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    Women are still turned down for a "man's job"? Same would go for a man if he applied for a "woman's job".
    And we're back to "but the men" stuff. Yes, a man is turned down for a "woman's job" but this isn't about men. It's about women. Yes, how men are treated is important but right now we are talking about women and NOT men. Men do not need to be injected into everything; sometimes we need to talk solely about women just like how we sometimes need to talk solely about men. If you can't see why then you're not only missing the point but you're also part of the problem at large.

    Furthermore... Why are men usually turned down for a "woman's job"? It's because the job is generally viewed as 'weaker' and unfit for a man because men are strong while women are weak. That's how society in general views men and women. If we didn't view women as weak than perhaps men wouldn't be turned down for a job because it's viewed as weaker and often inferior.
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    Also, I despise the notion that "women need to be made equal to men". This anecdote is said by feminists. This implies that the feminist doesn't think women are equal in the first place. Men and women are equal, it's just that people don't see them that way.
    If people don't treat women as equal to men then women are not currently equal to men. That's...really the only way I can explain it...? Women and men should be equal but you said it yourself. We're not equal in the eyes of society thus not making us equal. When society views men and women as equal than men and women will be equal.
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    Women are not viewed as objects that need to be married off and sold like cattles and be blamed for rape in the Western society nowadays. They were a couple hundred years back, even as soon as the 1950s, but not nearly as much as today, if at all. There was the horrific incident with the Stuebenville rape case, but this was a sole case. This is not the norm.
    You're denying things that are happening today in the Western world. What happened in Stuebenville is not an isolated incident. I wish it was. Trust me, you have no idea how much I wish that were the case but it's simply not. Women get blamed for rape far more often than you think - directly and indirectly.

    A majority of the time, when we hear people talk about rape, we usually hear people being rape apologists. We hearing people saying "but if the woman hadn't [insert rape apologist line here]" when they're trying to "defend" a victim. We hear people saying that perhaps if a woman had been wearing more clothes than it might not have happened, effectively taking blame off the rapist and placing it on the victim. We hear people saying that if perhaps if a woman didn't go out alone at night then she might not have been raped, effectively taking the blame off of a rapist and placing it on the victim. We blame the woman for not reporting the rape, showing little concern for the fact she was probably too scared and threatened to come forward with it right after it happened.

    We, as a society, ignore the facts that say a woman is more likely to be raped by a friend, family member, or partner than she is by a stranger. Instead, we make reasons to blame women for rape. We try to teach women how to 'not be raped' instead of teaching men how to not rape. Even if we don't realize it or acknowledge it, we are placing a lot of blame on rape victims and not enough on rape. Hell. If I hacked a website, I probably would get more years in prison than a rapist would. That alone should speak for how we blame rape victims too much and rapists not enough.
    March 28th, 2015 at 08:17pm
  • IsaacTheHonestRanter

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    @ Airi.
    If you aren't even going to look at some of the evidence I presented then I don't see the point in continuing with this debate.
    March 28th, 2015 at 10:41pm