@ CallusedSilk
I apologise if my post offended you. It wasn't meant to.
I apologise if my post offended you. It wasn't meant to.
January 29th, 2015 at 11:25pm
Society places less worth on women. It's bad for a guy to cry or like feminine things (like the colour pink) because that makes him more like a woman and being more like a woman = weaker, of less worth to society. Men that are "like women" are not seen as being less equal for being men, but for being more like women.
- Maleficent A:
- 'Boys don't cry'- yes they do
'A woman's touch'- men can make things look good to
Also if a girl likes the coler blue then its fine but if a boy likes the coler pink then he is considered as gay and like a girl.
They can but as a group, they don't. A very quick Google at 6am will tell me that "9 of every 10 rape victims were female" and "The majority of violence against men is committed by other men. Of men who reported that they had experienced physical violence in the 12 months before the survey, 73.7% said that the perpetrator was a male."
- Maleficent A:
- Men can go thru just as much struggle as woman its just they don't complain about it as much.
This in itself shows that you aren't viewing women and men equally. You compared a woman who is wearing clothes to a man (yourself) who is naked. That is not equal. You are pretty much saying that if a woman shows skin, then she deserves to be looked at and oogled, but the only time a man should be oogled is when he's stark naked and everything is on show.
- IsaacTheHonestRanter:
- But if she wears skimpy clothing showing off skin, of course people are going to notice! If I walked out on the street naked, I can't accuse someone of being sexist if they happen to stare at my genitalia.
I think that with this comment you are zoning in on a minority of feminists. Feminism is the equality of all genders and therefore all women, regardless of if they are black, white, Asian, European, etc. Regardless of if they are porn stars, abstaining or any other form of sexual expression. It is supporting women for being free to live out their life however they choose, with no negative judgment on another's lifestyle. (This also spreads to other genders, but I was using women as the focal point.)
- IsaacTheHonestRanter:
- An ex porn star was gang-raped in her own home with her children forced to watch and to you see the main voices in feminism talking about this? Do you see her story get thousands of reblogs on Tumblr? No, as she's an ex porn star and she doesn't fit into your category of white, non "slutty" female.
You have completely missed my point entirely. Honestly, your post sort of confuses me. This is not meant to sound offensive but I honestly don't know where you're living because it does not represent what happens in the majority of the world. Yes, the world is slowly becoming more accepting of LGBTQ people but it's nowhere near the level you're trying to say it is.
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- I'm bisexual, yet heterosexuals are still hindered. Why? Because when someone comes out as gay, they're automatically put on a pedestal and you're accused of being homophobic if you criticise them, even if you're not criticising their sexuality. I also find that while homophobia is incredibly rampant, you're allowed criticise heterosexuals for their sexual choices (like if they sleep with many people) but you're not allowed do it to gay people. I've never seen a gay person be criticised for being "slutty".
Allow me to stop you right there. I am not attacking anything. None of my words have been attacking at all. If they've come off that way then I do apologize. That has never been my intent. But please, do not accuse me of attacking anyone when I have merely attempted to open up an honest discussion about feminism. These are discussion and debate boards. I'm not attacking anyone by politely challenging their opinions. Only opening a debate.
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- You haven't attacked the other things in my post since you believe I'm referencing "Tumblr". I made two references to it in the entire post. You aren't attacking these stances because you don't have a counter-argument so you quickly dismiss it, as what happened with Collin Berend and Angels and Roses.
Yes, those can be factored in. However, have you also factored in the societal reasons why women don't work as many hours or get the same education a man does? There are a lot of societal reasons that women choose the paths they do. Many women don't seek education because it's seen something a man does while the woman is expected to stay home. Women are told this countless times throughout their lives. When you're told something enough, you begin to believe it even if you don't want to. Perhaps if we stopped trying to tell women their "places" are at home being housewives then more women would feel comfortable entering the workforce the same way men do.
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- As for the pay gap, those statistics are incredibly biased, just as Angels and Roses already proved. The pay gap disappears when you take factors such as the level of education, the amount of hours worked, the amount of years working, beforehand experience, etc. I left a link to a video with a women saying the same thing.
Honestly, I've got no idea who Colin Berend is. I'm assuming they were someone from one of the videos you posted? I'm not really sure. ^^" Anyway... The same thing could be said for this as I said above... Yes, there aren't a lot of female politicians. However, have you ever stopped to think about why? It's pretty easy for someone to blame women for it and not actually think about why they aren't pursuing these types of careers. Just think about it. I can use the election when Hilary Clinton was running for the primary for president. The things I heard a majority of people saying was that Hilary couldn't be president because she was a woman and the world "wasn't ready" for a female president.
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- As for positions in government, no many women in America are becoming politicians, as Colin Berend already said.
And we're back to "but the men" stuff. Yes, a man is turned down for a "woman's job" but this isn't about men. It's about women. Yes, how men are treated is important but right now we are talking about women and NOT men. Men do not need to be injected into everything; sometimes we need to talk solely about women just like how we sometimes need to talk solely about men. If you can't see why then you're not only missing the point but you're also part of the problem at large.
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- Women are still turned down for a "man's job"? Same would go for a man if he applied for a "woman's job".
If people don't treat women as equal to men then women are not currently equal to men. That's...really the only way I can explain it...? Women and men should be equal but you said it yourself. We're not equal in the eyes of society thus not making us equal. When society views men and women as equal than men and women will be equal.
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- Also, I despise the notion that "women need to be made equal to men". This anecdote is said by feminists. This implies that the feminist doesn't think women are equal in the first place. Men and women are equal, it's just that people don't see them that way.
You're denying things that are happening today in the Western world. What happened in Stuebenville is not an isolated incident. I wish it was. Trust me, you have no idea how much I wish that were the case but it's simply not. Women get blamed for rape far more often than you think - directly and indirectly.
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- Women are not viewed as objects that need to be married off and sold like cattles and be blamed for rape in the Western society nowadays. They were a couple hundred years back, even as soon as the 1950s, but not nearly as much as today, if at all. There was the horrific incident with the Stuebenville rape case, but this was a sole case. This is not the norm.