Atheists

I picked up a torah and started reading. At the time you could have convinced me that an intelegent something could run the world, but I felt like the intelegent something wouldn't be so human seeming, or at least not an asshole. And then I didn't believe any of the messages either, so I was like "Fuck it. I'm agnostic."

But then things went bad and I lost faith in even that, but now I'm sort of swinging back.

For the record, this is my first Passover not being Kosher.

I don't belive. It's totally illogical. If God made the earth, where did he come from? Dont tell me he was always there. THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I need REAL proof.

Theres some guy sitting in the clouds, watching you, everything you do. and he has a list of a few things he doesnt want you to do. and if you do these things, you go to a place of fire and anguish and torture, where you spend the rest of eternity crying and screaming and being tortured.
But he loves you!

Um, no.

I'm Athiest, and my dad absolutely hates it. He's an extremely devout Christian, and sometimes I think he tries to subtly shove his beliefs down my throat. Say, the weatherman reported that it was going to be a crappy day and rain, and my dad wanted to take a hike that day. So then on the day that it was supposed to be crappy, it turns out to be gorgeous. He automatically says "Oh, I prayed to God last night and God made it perfect hiking weather", while I go on the weather channel and see that there was a change in the path of a cold front, causing the weather to be warmer than expected, and the approaching storm system dissapated while traveling over land.

And also, one time we were talking about something to do with religeon and I stand my ground on Athiesm. So then he says "I had an Uncle who was a child molester and you're going to burn in hell for your sin just like he is"

Because molesting children is exactly equal to not believing in God.
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It's a sin to not believe in god, am I right?

I believe that because I'm atheist, I won't go to hell or heaven because I don't believe any of it's real. But, say, if one of my Christian friends sinned against god, they'd go to hell [because they believe in a place called hell] and they'd see me there, because they believed I went to hell too.

Do I make sense?

Slacker.:

It's a sin to not believe in god, am I right?

I believe that because I'm atheist, I won't go to hell or heaven because I don't believe any of it's real. But, say, if one of my Christian friends sinned against god, they'd go to hell [because they believe in a place called hell] and they'd see me there, because they believed I went to hell too.

Do I make sense?

No, because if you believe in the concepts of god, heaven and hell , which you said you do in the case of your friends, then you're not an atheist. :shifty

Ohh, I get it.

:omfg:

Well, I thought I was.

Well, it depends on who you're talking to. I mean, considering I'm Athiest, I don't believe in God or Heaven or Hell. Since I don't believe in God, I don't exactly believe that if you commit a 'sin', you are terribly punished for it. I do believe in Karma though. So I don't think I'm going to 'burn in Hell' because I don't believe such a place exists :)

I'm an atheist and always have been. I've gone to church a few times when I went to North Carolina andI fell asleep, tbh it was Sunday. So, I went with the friends I was visiting and was preached to about God, I still don't believe it.

For me I need more proof than some book, it was written by humans correct? I mean, there's scientific proof for the way humans evolved but where's the scientific proof for God? There isn't any. I need facts before I start believing in something, until there's proof-I'll probably still deny the existents-I can't believe it.

Thou, Jesus is a different story. There is proof that he existed but I think the whole story is emphasized because we all know it happens. If a story emphasizes over five minutes, how about 5,000 years? There's not all solid facts when it comes down to him either.

You don't need to believe in God to be nice or anything, either. I'm nice to you until you make me mad, just like anyone else. Whether your a believer in God or not. You have your beliefs I have mine. Simple really.

You isn't meant toward anyone specific either.

^Right. There is proof that Jesus existed, but not in the form of, "He was the son of God and miracles happened at his fingertips." That's in the Bible, but not historical records. And like you said, until I can see scientific proof that humans are subconciously influenced by a higher being, I won't believe it.

I am a very strong athiest.
I only believe in things science can prove.
Science can't prove that there was some "God" who created everything.

I can't understand how people can believe in God.
If he is real, why does he make the world such a bad place to live?
Why does he make innocent little children get cancer?
Why do people rape and molest others?
Why does disease take the lives of people every day?

That's just me I guess.
People can believe what they want, but I just don't understand it.

^ Believers would say something along the lines of, regarding the rape/murder thing, "You still have free will. He lets you know what will happen with both the choices and you pick which way to take."

But still, we have free will and God is supposed to love everyone...what about the victims? Does he not love them? I just find a lot of contradiction in the Bible and any other religion to believe any God/Godesses really exist.

I am a Catholic. I grew up as is and will always be Catholic. GOD is always there for you. He will always love you even if you don't love Him. You came from Him and you will die from Him. The race of man was started by Adam and Eve. They reproduced and so on. God is real. Jesus is real. Jesus was born and he did save lives, brought people back from the dead, healed lepers and cured the sick. He is a true Savior. He is righteous in every way and He is the only true perfect thing any where on Earth. He is everywhere and everything. GOD is within every one even if you don't believe so. I keep mentioning both Jesus and GOd. Now Jesus and GOd are the same person. When you cross yourself with The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit you are saying the Trinitarian Dogma, which means they are a trinity(3) in one.
Now the reason I am replying is because my dad is atheist. He doesn't believe. Do you know the consequences of this? He will go to Hell or he will go to Purgatory. He will not be truly happy in life and he will not have live everlasting. Do you know why? because he does not have faith. Do you know why a religion is sometimes called your faith? because you must have complete and total faith in GOD to be with GOD forever. I talk to my dad about it but he doesn't care. When i am in Heaven or in Purgetory about to reach Heaven he will not be with me because he doesnt have faith.
May GOD bless you and may you find faith in Him for without Him you have no true life.

The Bible was written by people who were there. It is proven and it is Science, but like i said above, you must have complete faith. May He love and care for you even though you do not care for Him. May GOD be with you always.

Seventh:

For me, the difference is that scientists are constantly changing and refining their theories of how the world works as they learn more and more about it; while the religious group cling resolutely to their magic books that were written thousands of years ago.

For example:

You find a fragment of a story left behind on a bus. It details how Jack plots to take a radio from Sally’s house while she is out. You are left thinking how bad Jack is, perhaps that he should be punished for such a misdeed.

Then, the next day, you find another fragment left on the bus. The previous page. THIS details how Sally beat Jack up and stole the radio from him first.

The scientist will now reevaluate the previous evidence, and may come to a conclusion that Jack is trying to non-violently get his own property back. The new theory is that Sally is the bad person, and Jack is the martyred hero.

The religious person will deny the new evidence, will claim that it comes from a different story, or that it should be differently interpreted, and will fight and argue and picket to try to cling to the idea that Jack is a bad man and Sally is a good woman, despite all the new evidence to the contrary.

Now say a THIRD fragment was found, this one following the first and detailing how Jack, on being disturbed by Sally whilst in her house, ruthlessly murdered her where she stood.

The scientist will once again reevaluate and form a new story with this fresh evidence; while the religious corner will celebrate being proven right all along and will try to undermine all of science because the scientists are not afraid to admit they are wrong, while the religious refuse to acknowledge the possibility at all.

Now, you might say that you’d prefer to side with the religious people in this example. I mean, they were right after all, weren’t they? And they had faith all the way through, despite hardships and times of little hope. That’s got to count for something, right?

Me, I prefer to side with the scientists. Sure, for a while they were barking up the wrong tree, but they were fighting for truth with the full scope of the information available. And they got there in the end.

I have no problem at all with the existence of God. It’s just that at this point in time, I haven’t seen any evidence to convince me of this. If God came to me one day and showed me something to prove to me that He exists, I would be the first person to stand up and say “sorry God, I was wrong, I now believe, thank you for coming to me.”

Some people would choose to ‘believe’, ‘just in case’. They’ll go to church and sit there, not really convinced by it all, but hoping that in the event of the priests being right at the end of it all, their attendance will give them some brownie points in the Big Totting-Up in the sky.

Me, I prefer to stand by the evidence as I see it. And if God doesn’t approve of me using the brain He gave me, then I don’t particularly want to be in his club anyway.

Finally, I’d just like to point out that ‘religion’ and ‘morals’ are NOT mutually exclusive and that you don’t need a magic book to tell you that you shouldn’t kill, steal, lie, sleep around or be disrespectful to your society. These five ‘rules’ crop up in EVERY major religion, and EVERY decent person’s moral code and have nothing to do with God.

In fact, if you need the thread of a man with a beard in a dress on a cloud in the sky who is WATCHING YOU and will SMITE YOU if you’re bad to make you be a good person, how can you tell me that I’m ‘going to hell’ because I try to be a good person WITHOUT such threats and incentives?

This was long. Sorry!

now do you know how He will show you He exists? if you ask Him to show you He will. I have my own experiences. but tht is just me. i love you seventh... but i will not argue about this with you... ill tlk to you ltr. (btw i would say tht it was wrong of jack to murder Sally because he wanted the radio back but it was also wrong for sally to take the radio. not every religious person thinks the same and that is wrong to stereotype the religious people.

helium.vs.oxygen:

GOD is always there for you.

No.

helium.vs.oxygen:

You came from Him and you will die from Him.

Actually I came from the unison of two sex cells. :shifty And "die from him?" You said you're Catholic, don't you believe god gives you free will? He doesn't control when I die, even by your beliefs.

helium.vs.oxygen:

GOD is within every one even if you don't believe so.

Nah. :mrgreen:

helium.vs.oxygen:

I keep mentioning both Jesus and GOd. Now Jesus and GOd are the same person. When you cross yourself with The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit you are saying the Trinitarian Dogma, which means they are a trinity(3) in one.

What does that have to do with Atheism? I think the majority of this post belongs in the "God: Real or Fake" thread.

helium.vs.oxygen:

Now the reason I am replying is because my dad is atheist. He doesn't believe. Do you know the consequences of this? He will go to Hell or he will go to Purgatory. He will not be truly happy in life and he will not have live everlasting. Do you know why? because he does not have faith. Do you know why a religion is sometimes called your faith? because you must have complete and total faith in GOD to be with GOD forever. I talk to my dad about it but he doesn't care. When i am in Heaven or in Purgetory about to reach Heaven he will not be with me because he doesnt have faith.

How do you know that? What makes you so sure your dad isn't right and that your faith isn't wrong?

helium.vs.oxygen:

May GOD bless you and may you find faith in Him for without Him you have no true life.

I have a fantastic life actually. I don't need to the ideas of a god to comfort me to enjoy my life, its brilliant already.

helium.vs.oxygen:

It is proven and it is Science, .

No it isn't, you have no way of proving that the things said in the bible are true, and it certainly isn't science. If anything parts of it can be considered historical and that's being lenient.

And it's rather funny that you say it was written by people who were there... they seem to tell vry different stories. :mrgreen:

broken inside:

Now the reason I am replying is because my dad is atheist. He doesn't believe. Do you know the consequences of this? He will go to Hell or he will go to Purgatory. He will not be truly happy in life and he will not have live everlasting. Do you know why? because he does not have faith. Do you know why a religion is sometimes called your faith? because you must have complete and total faith in GOD to be with GOD forever. I talk to my dad about it but he doesn't care. When i am in Heaven or in Purgetory about to reach Heaven he will not be with me because he doesnt have faith.
May GOD bless you and may you find faith in Him for without Him you have no true life.

I find someone saying 'God bless you' to me very offending. It's not my belief, don't try to make me believe because it's not going to happen. What does having faith have to do with having a life? I do have a life, I don't need to believe in God to have a happy life. If anything it makes me stronger to be an Atheist than a believer because I have to look within myself for answers and not up to some higher spirit that I don't believe exists.

I am truly happy. Faith has nothing to do with being happy. I have a girlfriend which goes against the Bible. If God loves everyone then why does he not love bisexuals or gay people? You don't have a valid reason because God doesn't love everyone. If God did love everyone, God would love bisexuals and gay people, too. There's no proof that God exists or did exist in the past. If you have proof, then maybe I'll believe it.

I need facts before I actually start believing something. Until then, I'll continue to believe God doesn't exist. If God does exist why do people make God look like a human? If God is perfect then everyone would believe in God's existence but they don't do they? Surely if we all come from God, God would want us to believe in the Bible and God's existence. If God makes us, we would believe. Everyone would believe and I'm proof everyone doesn't.

My girlfriend is also a Christian but that doesn't stop us from having a relationship. If God truly does exist God would love us anyway wouldn't he?

Another thing, what could a two and a half month old baby do wrong? My friend's sister was two months and 13 days old and was diagnosed with Waterhouse-Friderichsen Syndrome (which means her blood was toxic. It was 100% toxic). She was diagnosed and died with nine hours of being diagnosed. Now, what sin could a two and a half month baby commit?

Bottom line: there is no solid proof that God exists.

broken inside:

now do you know how He will show you He exists? if you ask Him to show you He will. I have my own experiences. but tht is just me. i love you seventh... but i will not argue about this with you... ill tlk to you ltr. (btw i would say tht it was wrong of jack to murder Sally because he wanted the radio back but it was also wrong for sally to take the radio. not every religious person thinks the same and that is wrong to stereotype the religious people.

But I HAVE asked. I've been to a whole range of churches and paces of worship, asked dozens of reigious people to help me find God, even asked God Himself, on the offchance He might be listening. But nothing.

Nevertheless, I'm still looking. But until such a day as I find something to make me believe, I'll stick to the truth as I see it at the moment.

Also:

Bleed The Dream:

I find someone saying 'God bless you' to me very offending. It's not my belief, don't try to make me believe because it's not going to happen.

I disagree here, whether YOU believe is neither here nor there. THEY are saying something that to them is very meaningful. I don't believe at all but when my best friend told me she was praying for me to get better, I felt a huge surge of love for her for the wonderful THOUGHT. That she was doing some small thing, however impotent it might seem, to be nice to me.

Someone blessing you is a NICE thing, whether there's any weight behind it or not. And for a lot of people, there's no dogma or evangelism behind it, it's just as automatic to them as saying "bless you" when someone sneezes. No one's trying to convert you, they're not trying to make you believe, they're just expressing a nice sentiment towards you. It's just as annoying when people get ridicuously nitpicky about non-belief as it is when people whine on about finding God all the time.
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Would you be offended at a six year old telling you that they hope Santa brings you something nice for Christmas?

Seventh:

I disagree here, whether YOU believe is neither here nor there. THEY are saying something that to them is very meaningful.

Would you think the same if someone said "May Satan bless you"?

Seventh:

Would you be offended at a six year old telling you that they hope Santa brings you something nice for Christmas?

No, but what does saying "I hope Santa brings you something nice for Christmas" and someone saying "God bless you" have in common with each other? :shifty

Another point...believers get offended when Atheists say they don't believe or Satanists say they worship Satan...does that make it wrong for them?

Bleed The Dream:

Seventh:

Would you be offended at a six year old telling you that they hope Santa brings you something nice for Christmas?

No, but what does saying "I hope Santa brings you something nice for Christmas" and someone saying "God bless you" have in common with each other? :shifty

I think it is the fact that the Christian believes in God and hopes that God will do something nice for the person the statement is being said to. The child believes in Santa and hopes that Santa will do something nice for the person the statement is being said to. Both are expressing their beliefs and hoping for the best for the object.