I identify a lot with your story, friend. I was forced into a Baptist school for my entire life until 8th grade. There was so much smothering, so much being shoved down my throat, that I finally started resisting and thinking to myself, "How can this actually be true?" I was pushed away even further when all of the teachers started treating me differently when I became the student that asked too many questions (you know, the ones they don't know the answers for, the ones they always fear that we might ask?).
- KOODO:
- I used to be Christian, I went to a Catholic school basically all my life, and that eventually turned me athiest because I completely disagreed with everything they tried to teach me. lol.
That was about three or four years ago, now I'm definitely agnostic. Sure, that means I don't really have a 'faith', but it's just the most honest thing to me. It makes the most sense in my mind - there's no way we can deny that there is a god, and there's no way we can prove that there is one. -shrug-
First question: I hear you there. As a Christian that's what I think. That affirmsmy faith though.
- Saint Nutty:
- How can you look around and say that all this beauty around us was pure accident?
How can you look around and say that all this suffering and evil is allowed to continue by a so-called "merciful and loving" god?
I've become a better person since 'converting'. Certainly more open minding, and 100x more curious about everything. :)
Evolution isn't impossible. Anyway, I believe most creationists will agree that evolution can occur at the micro level. They just won't agree with evolution on the macro-level.
- Quinncidence.:
- I'm a Christian, I guess you would say,
but lately I've been having doubts.
I believe that there is something out there, and that it created us, because the theory of evolution is just plain impossible. My science books even say that a cell can only reproduce from itsself, so an Ape can not evolve into a person,
or a chicken into a fish.
I'm sorry, but nothing you say will change my view on evolution.
- And Sing:
- Evolution isn't impossible. Anyway, I believe most creationists will agree that evolution can occur at the micro level. They just won't agree with evolution on the macro-level.
By the way, apes didn't evolve into humans, and technically it would be the fish evolved into chickens [which they didn'/]. Fish came before birds.
It's true, cells can only reproduce from themselves, but that's only at a cellular level. At that level evolution is at the level of DNA, the DNA may mutate and survuve to give a different form of a cell.
Anyway, just thought I'd add that on to the discussion.
We share a common ancestor with apes. It's not like one day two apes bred and then out popped a human and thus the human race had begun.
- Quinncidence.:
- ^Because, in my opinion, it just does not make sense that we, intelligent humans, formed from Apes.
And if it was true, then WHY do we still have Apes? If it was true, then wouldn't it still be happening, proving evolution is true?
Are you even reading what she told you above. We didn't say that we evolved from apes. Being distantly related is exactly that. We're related, because we had a COMMON ANCESTOR. Just like you didn't evolve from your cousins. You have a common ancestor, your mother or father and your aunt or uncle had the same parents, so you share grandparents with your cousin/s. Apes are our genetic cousins. Do you get what I am trying to explain?
- Quinncidence.:
- What proof do you have, though?
I'm willing to accept that we are very distantly related to them,
but I still don't believe that we evolved from them, in any way.
I didn't get my opinions from thinking that someone honestly believes that two apes mated and out popped a human, I got my opinions from reading articles and getting my own opinions from it.
Don't you think maybe the reason Apes act so much like humans is because they've been around humans so much that those qualities have been bred into the family?
There isn't undeniable proof of evolution, but there is a lot of evidence for evolution, and scientific evidence for evolution is taught in a lot of schools.
- Quinncidence.:
- What proof do you have, though?
I'm willing to accept that we are very distantly related to them,
but I still don't believe that we evolved from them, in any way.
I didn't get my opinions from thinking that someone honestly believes that two apes mated and out popped a human, I got my opinions from reading articles and getting my own opinions from it.
Don't you think maybe the reason Apes act so much like humans is because they've been around humans so much that those qualities have been bred into the family?
There is also evidence that it didn't occur.
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- Scientifically, evolution makes sense. That doesn't mean that evolution doesn't have holes in it - we don't know everything - but there is a lot of evidence that evolution occurred.
Evidence that evolution didn't occur? I would be interested to know what this evidence is? Honestly. :)
- Quinncidence.:
- I didn't start the discussion,
if you look back to my first pot, it wasn't based off of my views on evolution,
and I think I am sounding a little bit ruder than I want to, but I honestly don't think I will ever believe that evolution was how the humans came into existence.
What you both said makes sense, I do admit that.
There is also evidence that it didn't occur.
I'm not saying that you are wrong, and that I am right because like you said, we don't know everything. To me, it's just something I stand firm in believing.
Which brings me back to the whole point of this thread,
I'm looking for answers, and I certainly appreciate you giving your opinions/ theories because believe it or not, it has helped me figure some things out.
