Agnosticism

  • grimoire.

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    I'm beginning to identify myself as a theist Agnostic. Slightly theist, but theist none the less.
    November 7th, 2009 at 01:47am
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    I'm agnostic. I think I was definitely raised as one due to the fact that my parents aren't very religious. I question so many things about religion, and whether certain things are true.
    I'd rather hear about different religions than be apart of them.
    November 8th, 2009 at 04:22am
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    I used to be Christian, I went to a Catholic school basically all my life, and that eventually turned me athiest because I completely disagreed with everything they tried to teach me. lol.

    That was about three or four years ago, now I'm definitely agnostic. Sure, that means I don't really have a 'faith', but it's just the most honest thing to me. It makes the most sense in my mind - there's no way we can deny that there is a god, and there's no way we can prove that there is one. -shrug-
    November 30th, 2009 at 06:15am
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    I've been agnostic for a few years now. I'd like to believe that there is some higher power but until it's proven I won't ever be entirely sure.
    December 31st, 2009 at 04:23pm
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    KOODO:
    I used to be Christian, I went to a Catholic school basically all my life, and that eventually turned me athiest because I completely disagreed with everything they tried to teach me. lol.

    That was about three or four years ago, now I'm definitely agnostic. Sure, that means I don't really have a 'faith', but it's just the most honest thing to me. It makes the most sense in my mind - there's no way we can deny that there is a god, and there's no way we can prove that there is one. -shrug-
    I identify a lot with your story, friend. I was forced into a Baptist school for my entire life until 8th grade. There was so much smothering, so much being shoved down my throat, that I finally started resisting and thinking to myself, "How can this actually be true?" I was pushed away even further when all of the teachers started treating me differently when I became the student that asked too many questions (you know, the ones they don't know the answers for, the ones they always fear that we might ask?).

    I don't think I was ever really an Atheist, but rather confused and resentful of God and most of the other Christan ideas. Agnosticism certainly makes more sense, to me, at least, than any other religion I've heard of.

    How can you look around and say that all this beauty around us was pure accident?
    How can you look around and say that all this suffering and evil is allowed to continue by a so-called "merciful and loving" god?

    I've become a better person since 'converting'. Certainly more open minding, and 100x more curious about everything. :)
    January 8th, 2010 at 01:43am
  • ThePiesEndure

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    Saint Nutty:
    How can you look around and say that all this beauty around us was pure accident?
    How can you look around and say that all this suffering and evil is allowed to continue by a so-called "merciful and loving" god?

    I've become a better person since 'converting'. Certainly more open minding, and 100x more curious about everything. :)
    First question: I hear you there. As a Christian that's what I think. That affirmsmy faith though.

    Second: God is merciful and loving, but pain and suffering is the pervue of the devil. Not God. Pain and suffering does not come from God, it is just the consequence of a broken world. That's what I believe. Of course, I respect that you don't understand or believe that. I can't understand how one could be an atheist but I can understand being agnostic.
    January 10th, 2010 at 05:40pm
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    I'm a Christian, I guess you would say,
    but lately I've been having doubts.
    I believe that there is something out there, and that it created us, because the theory of evolution is just plain impossible. My science books even say that a cell can only reproduce from itsself, so an Ape can not evolve into a person,
    or a chicken into a fish.

    There is a God, but does it...care, I guess?
    I don't know how to put it into words. I do, for the most part believe that Jesus did exist and that he performed miricles, but some of the things I read and hear are just too far-fetched. I find it hard for me to believe in something I don't see proof in.

    I guess, it wouldn't be hard for me to admit I'd be agnostic,
    but I'm scared to be, because what if there is a God and Jesus was his son.
    I've also always heard this quote
    "I'd rather live like there is a God and Die to find out there is none than live like there isn't and die to find that there is one."
    January 11th, 2010 at 03:41am
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    ^Unrelated to the rest of your post, I just thought to mention that evolution doesn't really work like that. I don't know what it says in your science book but you may have misinterpreted something in there.
    January 11th, 2010 at 05:44am
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    January 11th, 2010 at 05:44am
  • ThePiesEndure

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    I'm a Christian, I guess you would say,
    but lately I've been having doubts.
    I believe that there is something out there, and that it created us, because the theory of evolution is just plain impossible. My science books even say that a cell can only reproduce from itsself, so an Ape can not evolve into a person,
    or a chicken into a fish.
    Evolution isn't impossible. Anyway, I believe most creationists will agree that evolution can occur at the micro level. They just won't agree with evolution on the macro-level.

    By the way, apes didn't evolve into humans, and technically it would be the fish evolved into chickens [which they didn'/]. Fish came before birds.

    It's true, cells can only reproduce from themselves, but that's only at a cellular level. At that level evolution is at the level of DNA, the DNA may mutate and survuve to give a different form of a cell.

    Anyway, just thought I'd add that on to the discussion.
    January 11th, 2010 at 07:13am
  • Coffeecrazed

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    I'm agnostic leaning towards atheism.
    I mean no one can really know if there is a god or gods or a flying spaghetti who's has created us. However, the logical scientific side of my brain says, "That is ridiculous who would ever believe that!" and yet at the same time it says, "But there is always the possibility that a higher being does exist."
    So, I rest happily in the middle.
    January 11th, 2010 at 08:01pm
  • larsus

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    And Sing:
    Evolution isn't impossible. Anyway, I believe most creationists will agree that evolution can occur at the micro level. They just won't agree with evolution on the macro-level.

    By the way, apes didn't evolve into humans, and technically it would be the fish evolved into chickens [which they didn'/]. Fish came before birds.

    It's true, cells can only reproduce from themselves, but that's only at a cellular level. At that level evolution is at the level of DNA, the DNA may mutate and survuve to give a different form of a cell.

    Anyway, just thought I'd add that on to the discussion.
    I'm sorry, but nothing you say will change my view on evolution. File

    I don't mean to sound like a jerk, sorry.
    January 11th, 2010 at 11:57pm
  • It's In The Blood.

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    ^ Would you like to explain exactly why you don't believe in it? Just to give us a point to go from?
    January 12th, 2010 at 12:36am
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    ^Because, in my opinion, it just does not make sense that we, intelligent humans, formed from Apes.

    And if it was true, then WHY do we still have Apes? If it was true, then wouldn't it still be happening, proving evolution is true?
    January 12th, 2010 at 01:09am
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    ^Because, in my opinion, it just does not make sense that we, intelligent humans, formed from Apes.

    And if it was true, then WHY do we still have Apes? If it was true, then wouldn't it still be happening, proving evolution is true?
    We share a common ancestor with apes. It's not like one day two apes bred and then out popped a human and thus the human race had begun.

    Why do we still have apes? Because apes don't just evolve into humans. As I stated above, we share a common ancestor with apes, we don't directly all evolve FROM apes and apes don't just breed and breed until a human appears.

    We didn't evolve from 'modern' apes that one sees in the zoo. Our common ancestor has long since gone from this earth.
    January 12th, 2010 at 01:45am
  • larsus

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    What proof do you have, though?

    I'm willing to accept that we are very distantly related to them,
    but I still don't believe that we evolved from them, in any way.

    I didn't get my opinions from thinking that someone honestly believes that two apes mated and out popped a human, I got my opinions from reading articles and getting my own opinions from it.File

    Don't you think maybe the reason Apes act so much like humans is because they've been around humans so much that those qualities have been bred into the family?
    January 12th, 2010 at 02:04am
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    What proof do you have, though?

    I'm willing to accept that we are very distantly related to them,
    but I still don't believe that we evolved from them, in any way.

    I didn't get my opinions from thinking that someone honestly believes that two apes mated and out popped a human, I got my opinions from reading articles and getting my own opinions from it.File

    Don't you think maybe the reason Apes act so much like humans is because they've been around humans so much that those qualities have been bred into the family?
    Are you even reading what she told you above. We didn't say that we evolved from apes. Being distantly related is exactly that. We're related, because we had a COMMON ANCESTOR. Just like you didn't evolve from your cousins. You have a common ancestor, your mother or father and your aunt or uncle had the same parents, so you share grandparents with your cousin/s. Apes are our genetic cousins. Do you get what I am trying to explain?

    I'm sorry if I sound offensive, but it seems like you don't even want to be convinced otherwise.

    Apes have been around humans so they get qualities of them? That is the biggest load of tosh I've read in a long time. That is just not the case at all.

    And as to evidence, I'll point you to the fossil record, shall I?

    By the way, this discussion should really be in the religion/evolution thread.
    January 12th, 2010 at 02:18am
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    What proof do you have, though?

    I'm willing to accept that we are very distantly related to them,
    but I still don't believe that we evolved from them, in any way.

    I didn't get my opinions from thinking that someone honestly believes that two apes mated and out popped a human, I got my opinions from reading articles and getting my own opinions from it.File

    Don't you think maybe the reason Apes act so much like humans is because they've been around humans so much that those qualities have been bred into the family?
    There isn't undeniable proof of evolution, but there is a lot of evidence for evolution, and scientific evidence for evolution is taught in a lot of schools.

    Strong evidence for evolution is seen in natural selection, fossils, homologous structures (shared characteristics / traits between similar or common ancestors)...

    Scientifically, evolution makes sense. That doesn't mean that evolution doesn't have holes in it - we don't know everything - but there is a lot of evidence that evolution occurred.

    And no, I don't think that the reason for why apes "act so much like humans" is because they've been around humans so much. If that were true, then why don't dogs act like humans? Or cats? Or guinea pigs?
    January 12th, 2010 at 02:33am
  • larsus

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    I didn't start the discussion,
    if you look back to my first pot, it wasn't based off of my views on evolution,
    and I think I am sounding a little bit ruder than I want to, but I honestly don't think I will ever believe that evolution was how the humans came into existence.

    What you both said makes sense, I do admit that.
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    Scientifically, evolution makes sense. That doesn't mean that evolution doesn't have holes in it - we don't know everything - but there is a lot of evidence that evolution occurred.
    There is also evidence that it didn't occur.
    I'm not saying that you are wrong, and that I am right because like you said, we don't know everything. To me, it's just something I stand firm in believing.

    Which brings me back to the whole point of this thread,
    I'm looking for answers, and I certainly appreciate you giving your opinions/ theories because believe it or not, it has helped me figure some things out.
    January 12th, 2010 at 03:43am
  • ThePiesEndure

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    I didn't start the discussion,
    if you look back to my first pot, it wasn't based off of my views on evolution,
    and I think I am sounding a little bit ruder than I want to, but I honestly don't think I will ever believe that evolution was how the humans came into existence.

    What you both said makes sense, I do admit that.

    There is also evidence that it didn't occur.
    I'm not saying that you are wrong, and that I am right because like you said, we don't know everything. To me, it's just something I stand firm in believing.

    Which brings me back to the whole point of this thread,
    I'm looking for answers, and I certainly appreciate you giving your opinions/ theories because believe it or not, it has helped me figure some things out.
    Evidence that evolution didn't occur? I would be interested to know what this evidence is? Honestly. :)
    January 12th, 2010 at 03:50am