Hitler

Someone asked my friend and I in lesson the other day "Would you kill Hitler when he was a child, knowing the horrors he would bring or let him live and kill thousands of people?"
Both Chelsea & I said "No we wouldn't."
And the girl launched into a complete attack on us. You have to be incredibly cautious when approaching a topic such as this, and in no way can I condone what he did, but take into consideration what Tragic. said also about him.
Hitler was essentially a represenative of what people in the country were actually pushing for. He wasn't the first to come up with the idea...
What he did was wrong, and cannot be justified. There are sides that aren't known however. I actually am really wanting to read the books he wrote out of interest to gain a better perspective.

Ah the book "Mein Kampf". I would also like to read that but I think it is forbidden because you don't get it anywhere.

FrancyPansy:

Ah the book "Mein Kampf". I would also like to read that but I think it is forbidden because you don't get it anywhere.

A lot of countries have.
Others still sell it, I think

I admire Hitler in one way. His capture of power and control over Germany is ingenius , and he did wonders for the German economy - too bad it was of use for only the selected view until the war was over.

On the other hand, what he did was incredibly inhumane and there is no justification.

Though what Hitler did was immoral, inhumane and quite frankly sick; I do admire his intelligence.

That man had one hell of a brain. It's a pity he didn't use it for the good of man kind.

Could you imagine what he could've done with that amazing brain?
Could you also imagine the world without the Holocaust having happened?
I can't even construct it in my mind. The Holocaust and Hitler all the same were both such...influencial forces. World changing and life altering. Most of the things he did were awful, but he was just...such a brain like Peter and Padraic hit on.

I think in the beginning Hitler's intentions were good and he wanted to help people who were poverty stricken. However, his views became clouded with an overwhelming sense of hatred for the Jewish.
If Hitler hadn't tried to play God, then things would be very different.

Hitler was the one who 'invented' the freeways in Germany.

The Creeper:

I think in the beginning Hitler's intentions were good

His intentions were never good. All he wanted was power, and he manipulated people who were left poverty stricken and desperate after war into thinking he was going to help them and he gave them someone to blame (Jews) so of course they thought he was helping them. He identified an enemy and made them feel cared for, but it was a very gilded perception. His intentions were selfish.

Thing is, he was a very very clever man.
But he got obsessed with power.
He was actually going to go into Architecture but failed his exam, making him want to go into politics instead.
I would love to read the book Mein Kampf because I think it would be very interesting.

Ianto Jones:

Thing is, he was a very very clever man.
But he got obsessed with power.
He was actually going to go into Architecture but failed his exam, making him want to go into politics instead.
I would love to read the book Mein Kampf because I think it would be very interesting.

He joined the army, and the horrors of what he saw made him want to change things - or so I've been told.

Mein Kampf is suprisingly uninteresting. It is an outline of his beliefs and his goals, and basically repeatedly drives in the points of the interiority of other races to Germans, the inferiority of EVERYONE to the Aryans, and how the Jewish peoples were destroying every society they were a part of.
Biology, sociology.
It's awfully biased and our history teacher did not reccommend it to us, as a book. Although we analysed a section of it in class.

bellerophon.:

It's awfully biased and

Well no kidding, Hitler wrote it. :shifty

Kurtni Von Teese:

bellerophon.:

It's awfully biased and

Well no kidding, Hitler wrote it. :shifty

... :shifty what did that contribute to the discussion?
:x !

:tehe: everything is biased. I meant that he doesn't actually attempt to hide what he's saying. He outlined everything he thought and everything he wanted to do, people were able to buy it, read it, and they let him into power. After he gained power, Mein Kampf became a sort of Bible, at least one in every household, you know. Everyone was meant to have read it.
I can't remember what my point was. Idk.

Right everything is biased. Really, it doesn't make much difference that "IT WAS HITLER :cheese: :cheese: " - I mean if you read something that had been written by Woodrow Wilson, or General MacArthur, or W. Hughes, or - anyone influential, you know, it would be epically biased.
But most people try to look subtle :shifty

What I've always thought, is why Jewish people?
I've heard his dad made him believe they were stealing all their money and jobs but...I'm not sure.
Anyone know why?

Ianto Jones:

What I've always thought, is why Jewish people?
I've heard his dad made him believe they were stealing all their money and jobs but...I'm not sure.
Anyone know why?

I believe that Jews have always been considered "the other", in practically every civilisation they've existed in. Like most minority groups, they kept together for security, and this only increased the feeling of "us" and "them".
They were an old religion, they held many powerful positions in politics and economics, and due to their social isolation could be easily made a scapegoat group.

It wasn't just Jews though, remember; while he called them "the Jewish problem", they also persecuted Communists, negros, gypsies, homosexuals, anyone of another nationality, .... -shrug-

Ianto Jones:

What I've always thought, is why Jewish people?
I've heard his dad made him believe they were stealing all their money and jobs but...I'm not sure.
Anyone know why?

Hitler wasn't the only person to go for Jews.

The jews got the blame for the black death. Apparently they poisoned wells.
The jews were accused for te crimes committed by Jack The Ripper.
Jewish people have a history of persecution but Hitler was the only one to try and exterminate them.

Peter Petrelli.:

Ianto Jones:

What I've always thought, is why Jewish people?
I've heard his dad made him believe they were stealing all their money and jobs but...I'm not sure.
Anyone know why?

Hitler wasn't the only person to go for Jews.

The jews got the blame for the black death. Apparently they poisoned wells.
The jews were accused for te crimes committed by Jack The Ripper.
Jewish people have a history of persecution but Hitler was the only one to try and exterminate them.

^ that's not 100% true, occasionally in societies the Jewish bankers would have a little too much owed to them, interest would get a little too frustrating, and the town / province / whatever would - ah - I believe they burnt them, a while back.

bellerophon.:

Peter Petrelli.:

Ianto Jones:

What I've always thought, is why Jewish people?
I've heard his dad made him believe they were stealing all their money and jobs but...I'm not sure.
Anyone know why?

Hitler wasn't the only person to go for Jews.

The jews got the blame for the black death. Apparently they poisoned wells.
The jews were accused for te crimes committed by Jack The Ripper.
Jewish people have a history of persecution but Hitler was the only one to try and exterminate them.

^ that's not 100% true, occasionally in societies the Jewish bankers would have a little too much owed to them, interest would get a little too frustrating, and the town / province / whatever would - ah - I believe they burnt them, a while back.

Burnt them?
I knew they lynched a few over the years but I had no idea they burnt them :cheese:

Peter Petrelli.:

bellerophon.:

Peter Petrelli.:

Hitler wasn't the only person to go for Jews.

The jews got the blame for the black death. Apparently they poisoned wells.
The jews were accused for te crimes committed by Jack The Ripper.
Jewish people have a history of persecution but Hitler was the only one to try and exterminate them.

^ that's not 100% true, occasionally in societies the Jewish bankers would have a little too much owed to them, interest would get a little too frustrating, and the town / province / whatever would - ah - I believe they burnt them, a while back.

Burnt them?
I knew they lynched a few over the years but I had no idea they burnt them :cheese:

Don't quote me on that, I could be wrong. But some of the crimes they were accused of (i.e. requiring the blood of Christian babies for making their food kosher or something) would be more than heinous enough to earn that sort of punishment.
I don't think it was a mass thing, but my dad (lawyerly and wise :shifty) mentioned it once in a discussion we had about Jews.

bellerophon.:

Don't quote me on that, I could be wrong. But some of the crimes they were accused of (i.e. requiring the blood of Christian babies for making their food kosher or something) would be more than heinous enough to earn that sort of punishment.
I don't think it was a mass thing, but my dad (lawyerly and wise :shifty) mentioned it once in a discussion we had about Jews.

Is it wrong that now I want to research the History of the persecution of the Jews? :shifty

I remember we watched this documentary in RE in year 8 about Hitler and his reasons for doing what he did. There were photographs and stuff and I just remembered some of the graphic stuff.
Now I feel sick for thinking about it :shifty