Hitler

river song.:

Hitler doesn't quite deserve ALL the flack he gets. Sometimes I think some people forget that there was so many officers and generals that fueled it.

What I do condone is making fun of him. It's an issue that has been raised recently that people shouldn't make light of that situation, particularly Hitler because it's disrespecting the people who died. There has been a lot of fun poked at him - from Charlie Chaplin's The Dictator to Allo Allo, various skits from Family Guy and South Park and to the random cameo in Let's Kill Hitler.

Sure, he was charismatic and intelligent but we should make fun of him. Some people disagree with me but I think it's fair enough. I don't think making fun of the Nazis in general is bad - it's not making fun of the millions who suffered and yeah I sound like a shit

just put Hitler in the cupboard.

I agree. If you're going to make light of any of the situation, it might as well be of the evil bastards who caused it.

Hilter may have done horrible things and he wasn't the best person. But it does take a really smart guy to convince a whole bunch of people to turn against one group of people. Personally i love world war 2 and everything about it. Do i like Hitler? No i do not, but i wouldn't mind being able to pick his brain though. Most people don't know that his family was actually jewish. The guy had real charisma that's for sure

liebeskrank:

Personally i love world war 2 and everything about it.

I don't see what's to like - let alone love - about 60 million deaths.

I didn't mean i love what happened i meant i love learning about it.

liebeskrank:

Most people don't know that his family was actually jewish.

His family wasn't Jewish.
There were old rumours about a potential Jewish grandfather -mostly based on letters and documents written by people who've never had any contact with his family- but nowadays historians consider this thesis disproved.
Just saying

I honestly have no idea how a person who was in control of such horrific acts had the idea of making (and adapting) a peace symbol into the Nazi Party logo.

The guy was a genius. An evil murderer disgusting racist genius but still, it takes a brilliant mind to convince an entire country that pure evil is actually right. These are my thoughts on Hitler.

I'm not as convinced that he was a genius.

@ joan.
I'm not either, at all. I'd say "opportunistic" is a better word for Hitler.

Hitler didn't "convince an entire country that pure evil is right". While he will have managed to persuade some people to his views, as well as assembling a few people who already held them, the majority of people submitted to him out of fear. Fear of being killed on the spot for protesting or openly disagreeing. They will have still known it was wrong.

Sure, he had a certain amount of intelligence and charisma to get where he did. But it's fairly easy, once you have that power, to scare people into following you. Charismatic? Definitely. Intelligent? Most probably. Genius? Nah.

Germans were butthurt because of what happened in WWI, he was smart enough to take advantage of that.

Ned Flanders:

Germans were butthurt because of what happened in WWI, he was smart enough to take advantage of that.

Germany was essentially bankrupt after WWI. Because of the Versailles Treaty they had to pay 130 billion marks in reparations (initially it was about twice as much, but after the German economy collapsed in 1922, it was agreed to lower the sum) - in today's money that's $440 billion - which is about the size Portugal's current GDP. This was such a huge amount of money that the German government had to buy huge sums of foreign currencies to pay it - which led to hyper-inflation - which led to the German marks being worth less than the paper it was printed on. By 1922, Germany had to default on their debts because they just didn't have any more money - this led to the French and Belgian armies invading the Rurh area (which was Germany's biggest industrial centre) between 1923 and 1925. Because of this the economy deteriorating even further and unemployment and poverty become even more widespread. Throughout the 20s and early 30s there were several attempts at overthrowing the Weimar Republic as well as a lot of civil unrest and riots - and, of course, all the while racism and hate crimes were on the rise because that's what happens when poverty levels become absurdly high. I really wouldn't describe the amount of pain, anger and sheer despair the ordinary German person must have felt in that situation as being 'buthurt'.

@ kafka.
I know History, thanks. What I was trying to say was that Hitler was able to rise in that situation and his sick cause was actually welcomed because Germans were blinded by rage and wishes of revenge and that's how he got away with all the sickness for such a long time. And the Jews themselves had no idea what was going on at first, remember they thought the gas chambers were showers? Hitler was smart enough to surround himself by intelligent trustworthy men and carry out his psycho fantasy. Not a lot of people would be able to pull of a "scheme" like that so Hitler was definitely very intelligent and charismatic, like all dictators. Do I support what they've done? No. Do I give them credit for being able to carry out the things they've done the way they've done it? Yes. That's all I'm saying.

The man who brought down democracy & got so many to listen & cooperate. My admiration stops there.

I think he was a genius. An evil genius but a genius all the same. I have no specific hate for people who voted for him, if I was around in that time I would have! We have a little thing called hindsight, but if a man promised to feed you and give you the job and house that you needed, are you going to say no?

The camps and ghettos were horrific, I really don't agree with them.

I think he was a hypocrite too. He claimed to hate Jews and homosexuals (among others) but it is rumoured that he had several homosexual relationships, and several relatives on his Nana's side were Jewish.

Have you ever seen his paintings? I consider the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts partially to blame (but not much), as they turned him away despite the fact he was an excellent painter! This caused him to be homeless and develop his hate for Jews.

Some of what he did seemed so good, that the Germans who were exempt from this punishment saw no problem!

Except I learnt this in a modern world GCSE history class. Me; blonde haired, blue eyed, physically quite healthy, 'intelligent', AKA Hitler's idea human....

The-Maine-Becky:

I think he was a genius. An evil genius but a genius all the same. I have no specific hate for people who voted for him, if I was around in that time I would have! We have a little thing called hindsight, but if a man promised to feed you and give you the job and house that you needed, are you going to say no?

Again, that's not genius, that's just knowing how to win over a crowd of people.

The-Maine-Becky:

I think he was a hypocrite too. He claimed to hate Jews and homosexuals (among others) but it is rumoured that he had several homosexual relationships, and several relatives on his Nana's side were Jewish.

Seeing as the homosexuality is a rumour, it's not necessarily justified to insinuate hypocrisy. There are loads of rumours floating around about Hitler, most of which are likely to be false. And as for the Judaism part, it's not hypocritical to hate a race despite having blood of that race. Misguided, but not hypocritical.

What he did was terrifying and gruesome. I, personally, think he was hateful and twisted, and probably a little insane. He had warped, incorrect ideas. However, he was an incredible politician. If he wasn't filled with so much hate, he could've been an amazing leader. You always hear that he was a great speaker, but that's a bit of an understatement, he was a poet. It's almost mesmerizing listening to him him speak which is why so many people followed him. I honestly recommend looking up a video of one of his speeches, just to understand how incredible it was.

I busted out laughing (the crazy way) at the I love war world 2, of course you do, you weren't there to experience the trauma and deaths...

Do I think Hitler was sick and cruel, yes, you said he was a children lover? Of which children? Considering he didn't have a heart towards the Jewish children...

Yeah so I think was cruel, heartless, and just plain out bad...

It's funny that he was part Jewish yet he hated Jews, I'm sorry but if you think he fascinating, you find his idea to put people in gas chambers cool? You find them trying to kill the whole race because they were deemed not human cool? You find him making concentration camps and killing everybody slowly cool?

The people he changed were most likely people that were scared of him or weak minded and thought what he said was true..

Hitler was cruel and to think the U.S.A wouldn't even take the Jews when Hitler said they could, it makes me hate America a little, so believe me I'm not saying America is the best country at all..

LOVE1516:

Do I think Hitler was sick and cruel, yes, you said he was a children lover? Of which children? Considering he didn't have a heart towards the Jewish children...

Yeah so I think was cruel, heartless, and just plain out bad...

I'd like to point out that nobody in this thread admitted to admiring Hitler (as far as I've read it), only his ability as a political leader.

I also find really interesting that Hitler was so narcissistic, his plans were completely out of reality. Still, he managed to keep himself surrounded by a great team (in the sense they were top-notch experts in their respective areas) who made everything happen for him.
Without those people he'd be only more harmless and pathetic guy who thought too much of himself.

LOVE1516:

Hitler was cruel and to think the U.S.A wouldn't even take the Jews when Hitler said they could, it makes me hate America a little, so believe me I'm not saying America is the best country at all..

Well, although Roosevelt wasn't all that vocal about Jewish problems, I'm yet to see another place in the world where Jewish people have been so free and well-accepted as in the post-WW2 America.

Whoops sorry accidently pushed the submit button....

Anyway I was reading almost all the pages and was commenting from some awhile back---

I think he was a fascinating person.

Have you heard yet that he was in fact a friendly man? A vegetarian, a lover of animals, especially his dogs (I think he broke down crying once when one died), and good with children?

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I wasn't really imply to now on this page, I was just wondering how people could say he was good?

I can usually forgive someone, but he killed people in gas chambers, starved them, and beat the half to death or to death.
When you're so cruel like that, I find it hard to find a good side of you, Hitler words where 'I have the right to exterminate the inferior races'--

I'm pretty sure people with different colored skin is just because they have more pigment in their skin.

His list from top to bottom was -white w/blonde hair & blue eyes > other whites > Hispanics/Asians/islanders/Arabs etc > gypsies > retards > homos > blacks > jews

When the Olympics were held in 1936 and Jessie Owen won the most golden medals, Hitler walked out of the stadium and said 'It's not fair to make my men have to run against this animal'

We are not talking about races thought but, why is he so fascinating if he was so evil? But then again I guess some people would find him interesting, for reasons.

So if he was good to whom he thought were higher races, that seem to be wrong still....