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    Peter Petrelli.:
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    Don't quote me on that, I could be wrong. But some of the crimes they were accused of (i.e. requiring the blood of Christian babies for making their food kosher or something) would be more than heinous enough to earn that sort of punishment.
    I don't think it was a mass thing, but my dad (lawyerly and wise :shifty) mentioned it once in a discussion we had about Jews.
    Is it wrong that now I want to research the History of the persecution of the Jews? :shifty

    I remember we watched this documentary in RE in year 8 about Hitler and his reasons for doing what he did. There were photographs and stuff and I just remembered some of the graphic stuff.
    Now I feel sick for thinking about it :shifty
    No, I believe people are naturally interested in persecution. My history teacher has the class study Nazi Germany rather than Japan because the kids prefer it, although she thinks the Japanese course would be more interesting. Something about Nazism fascinates us, mm? I remember being swept up by it from primary school ... up until last year when I actually studied it in class.
    They showed us this awful movie. I can't remember the name. But ... the bodies, and the living, -shudder- it was awful. They didn't seem human. And the way the Germans running the camp treated them... No

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    May 28th, 2008 at 10:46pm
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    bellerophon.:
    No, I believe people are naturally interested in persecution. My history teacher has the class study Nazi Germany rather than Japan because the kids prefer it, although she thinks the Japanese course would be more interesting. Something about Nazism fascinates us, mm? I remember being swept up by it from primary school ... up until last year when I actually studied it in class.
    They showed us this awful movie. I can't remember the name. But ... the bodies, and the living, -shudder- it was awful. They didn't seem human. And the way the Germans running the camp treated them... No

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    It wasn't human, not at all.

    On the video we watched a little boy tried to run aay and they let a dog chase him down and tear him to shreds before gassing him.
    He was maybe about seven. I think it was a recreation, that scene. But it was still awful.
    May 28th, 2008 at 10:53pm
  • Robbie Williams

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    I remember watching schindlers list, and thinking; "did they actually do this to them?"
    I would recommend the film if you're intereted in all that, but there are some scenes that made me feel sick.
    They show little children being led into the "showers" and it's just..ugh.
    May 29th, 2008 at 01:39pm
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    Ianto Jones:
    They show little children being led into the "showers" and it's just..ugh.
    Yeah that's terrible. In history we learnt that when the women and men got out of the train at the concentration camps, the babies got immediatly taken away, and sometimes the german soldiers smashed them against the walls, in front of the mother's eyes. Cry

    There is another brilliant movie about the 2nd worldwar. It is called "Life is beautiful". It is so touching.
    May 29th, 2008 at 03:11pm
  • Tom Hiddleston

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    Didn't he lose his mother at a young age[I'm not saying that's a reason!] and the doctor was jewish?
    And the first girl he 'fell in love' with was jewish, and she rejected him?

    I dont know if that's true... Secondary School History lessons say so... Soo.. *Shrugs*
    May 29th, 2008 at 04:25pm
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    Didn't he lose his mother at a young age[I'm not saying that's a reason!] and the doctor was jewish?
    And the first girl he 'fell in love' with was jewish, and she rejected him?

    I dont know if that's true... Secondary School History lessons say so... Soo.. *Shrugs*
    Yes , his mother had breast cancer and she was treated by Dr.Edward Bloch.

    Not only was he Jewish , but he usually cared for the poor.

    I'm not sure about the girl bit to be honest. I'm sure there's a lot of speculation as to why Hitler would do such things.
    May 29th, 2008 at 06:16pm
  • Robbie Williams

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    He had a really bad childhood.
    He loved his mother, and his father apparently beat them up, and he had lots of brothers to live up to.
    When he was born, he was weak and was expected to die. -shrug- That's my secondary school history lessons :tehe:
    May 29th, 2008 at 06:32pm
  • FrancyPansy

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    Ianto Jones:
    When he was born, he was weak and was expected to die.:
    It would be a really scary thought if everyone who was going to die at birth turn out like him. Then I would probably be the next who gets so screwed up ideas like Hitlers, O.o
    May 29th, 2008 at 09:01pm
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    Ianto Jones:
    They show little children being led into the "showers" and it's just..ugh.
    Yeah that's terrible. In history we learnt that when the women and men got out of the train at the concentration camps, the babies got immediatly taken away, and sometimes the german soldiers smashed them against the walls, in front of the mother's eyes. Cry

    There is another brilliant movie about the 2nd worldwar. It is called "Life is beautiful". It is so touching.
    I heard about that stuff.
    Sad

    Did you read my comment on here about the German Shepards? How they'd give the Nazis puppies and tell them to do everything with the dogs: love, play, sleep, everything. The soldiers got attached and loved the dogs. And then one day, after they were old enough, the generals called them back--and ordered them to strangle them as an offer of loyalty.
    Cry

    They put symbols on the prisoners' backs, different ones for homosexuals, Jews, gypsies, handicapped, et cetera--and they shot at them. Like target practice.
    -Shakes head.-
    May 29th, 2008 at 10:06pm
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    Yeah I read that comment.. that's soo sad and awful.
    In school we talked a lot bout it. They also told us that they made lamps out of the jew's skin *disgusted face* and took them home. Most of the high-ranked soldiers lived next to it, with their families.
    Isn't that fucked up? At their 'work' they kill and torture people, not giving a damn shit bout other's life..and at home they are the caring and loving husbands/fathers, ect.
    May 29th, 2008 at 10:21pm
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    I don't like the thought of people judging anything wrong in the past.

    There's no one to say if we were alive back then that we wouldn't have been a Nazi, either out of fear or want. Either way, I know I have some German in me. Or any other war in the past. For an example...say your don't like the idea of KKK (Ku Klux Klan) and live in the southern part of the U.S. You lived back in the 1800's, you can't be certain that you wouldn't either be a slave owner yourself, or know and love people that were slave owners.
    May 29th, 2008 at 11:46pm
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    I don't like the thought of people judging anything wrong in the past.

    There's no one to say if we were alive back then that we wouldn't have been a Nazi, either out of fear or want. Either way, I know I have some German in me. Or any other war in the past. For an example...say your don't like the idea of KKK (Ku Klux Klan) and live in the southern part of the U.S. You lived back in the 1800's, you can't be certain that you wouldn't either be a slave owner yourself, or know and love people that were slave owners.
    That doesn't change the fact that what they did was wrong, regardless of what you might have been if you lived in that time period.
    May 30th, 2008 at 12:32am
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    I think he was a terrible and wonderful man. What he did was wrong but I've read his personality was okay. He came from a nice family too. Though it's said that he lost a parent at a young age.
    May 30th, 2008 at 05:47am
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    I don't like the thought of people judging anything wrong in the past.

    There's no one to say if we were alive back then that we wouldn't have been a , either out of fear or want. Either way, I know I have some German in me. Or any other war in the past. For an example...say your don't like the idea of and live in the southern part of the U.S. You lived back in the 1800's, you can't be certain that you wouldn't either be a slave owner yourself, or know and love people that were slave owners.
    I agree with you.
    I guess it was different to the people back then, because it was either agree with him and stay alive, or disagree and ..well, not.
    But what they did was, of course, very wrong to say the least.
    May 30th, 2008 at 10:41am
  • Tom Hiddleston

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    I've seen 'It's a beautiful life' so many times, and it never fails to make me sad :cry:
    I do think it's amazing what his father went through to protect him...
    May 30th, 2008 at 12:44pm
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    YEs me too. I am always at the edge of crying. Especially at the end, where the littly boy is hiding in ths box and his dad passes by for the last time, imitatin a soldier and then you hear the shotgun. That's so sad. As well as when the little one gets rescued by the Americans and he sees the tank.
    May 30th, 2008 at 06:46pm
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    YEs me too. I am always at the edge of crying. Especially at the end, where the littly boy is hiding in ths box and his dad passes by for the last time, imitatin a soldier and then you hear the shotgun. That's so sad. As well as when the little one gets rescued by the Americans and he sees the tank.
    Yep. The shooting, that's what gets me! And when he wants to go home In Love
    May 30th, 2008 at 07:52pm
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    =/ aww yes. But I think it is amazing how realistic his father explains everything to him. That's so sweet.
    May 30th, 2008 at 08:40pm
  • The Master

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    *prepares to be attacked*

    Hitler was a brilliant man. He had a keen mind, brought great change to Germany like the banning of fox-hunting. He was a vegeterian. He was straight-edge. Bit loopy mind but the whole anti-Semetic thing has been going on since the Dark Ages so they were an easy target. As such were the others he chose to blame. Along with some classic techniques such as great manipulation of social roles and the agentic state made it pretty easy to gather a willing army. He was a brilliant speaker. If you where there, at a speech and he was blaming these people for unemployment and other social ills, I really doubt many of us wouldn't believe him.

    This all brings me back to Milgram's famous study. It got a lot, and I mean a lot, of criticism but mainly because it showed that so many obeyed the orders because of social roles, dehumanisation of the assaliants and the agentic state being used so much instead of deviant personalities as was thought back then. That made it suggest that it could happen to anywhere, anyone. Doesn't matter.

    Besides, there was good and bad on both sides of the fence. People can say that they were awful but so was some of our 'brave boys'.

    Yes, the many killed was a human disaster...but it could have been stopped. It wasn't. Time is fixed at that point. Nothing can change it. It's just a sad blot in what could have been the greatest century ever. Evil only occurs when the good do nothing.

    I'm not sure if I made it clear but I am not a Nazi-supporter. Just wanted to reiterate that.
    May 31st, 2008 at 03:40am
  • Bells.

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    The Treaty of Versailles angered Germany and they vowed to get revenge, so... It WAS pretty tough on the Germans, but who can't say the Germans weren't tough on the Russians with the previous treaty? I also heard that Hitler was for euthanasia and he allowed it in asylums or something... My mum just told me that when I told her I was doing my speech on euthanasia. Hitler did give Germany a bad name and he forced people into Nazism and Fascism, but who's to say everyone else in the world is innocent?
    May 31st, 2008 at 06:06am