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    The Catholic Church actually did away with Limbo recently. It's not a part of their teachings anymore.

    As for Purgatory...well, I'm not Christian, but even if I was, I don't think I'd believe in it. Why wouldn't God just judge you right after you die? Wouldn't it be easier that way, instead of just waiting for some random day when he goes and judges everybody?
    August 26th, 2008 at 06:09am
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    I don't believe in God. so where would that put me in terms of purgatory? do i go straight to hell or do i get another chance? And technically it wouldn't count as another chance because isn't life a big enough chance?

    Ahhhhh! i don't know. this is why i don't commit myself to religion.
    September 1st, 2008 at 05:46am
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    I always figured god didn't create us to fus over him... -_-
    September 1st, 2008 at 06:40am
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    Purgatory was really just made up as a way for the Catholic Church to make money in the 1500's or so. There is no mention of purgatory in the bible (so I've heard). Apparently you could get you or a relative out of purgatory by buying a piece of paper that said so. The Lutheran church was created when Martin Luther rebelled against the notion.
    Learned about it last term in christian studies.
    October 6th, 2008 at 08:39am
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    Purgatory was really just made up as a way for the Catholic Church to make money in the 1500's or so. There is no mention of purgatory in the bible (so I've heard). Apparently you could get you or a relative out of purgatory by buying a piece of paper that said so. The Lutheran church was created when Martin Luther rebelled against the notion.
    Learned about it last term in christian studies.
    It was never mentioned in the Bible and what you said is true. Lutherism came as a religion movement away from the idea of Purgatory as you said.
    I learn that too.
    Purgatory doesn't exist in my opinion. Then again I don't believe in the afterlife...:shifty
    October 6th, 2008 at 08:53am
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    Purgatory was really just made up as a way for the Catholic Church to make money in the 1500's or so. There is no mention of purgatory in the bible (so I've heard). Apparently you could get you or a relative out of purgatory by buying a piece of paper that said so. The Lutheran church was created when Martin Luther rebelled against the notion.
    Learned about it last term in christian studies.
    Technically what you're talking about is a plenary indulgence. It's a slightly different thing; an indulgence is what you could pay to avoid purgatory. Purgatory is the void between heaven and hell where virtuous people go to be purified of their sins before they can enter heaven.
    At least that's how it was portrayed by Dante.
    October 7th, 2008 at 09:06pm
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    Purgatory was really just made up as a way for the Catholic Church to make money in the 1500's or so. There is no mention of purgatory in the bible (so I've heard). Apparently you could get you or a relative out of purgatory by buying a piece of paper that said so. The Lutheran church was created when Martin Luther rebelled against the notion.
    Learned about it last term in christian studies.
    Technically what you're talking about is a plenary indulgence. It's a slightly different thing; an indulgence is what you could pay to avoid purgatory. Purgatory is the void between heaven and hell where virtuous people go to be purified of their sins before they can enter heaven.
    At least that's how it was portrayed by Dante.
    That's exactly what I was thinking. I mean I believe every word of Dante's Comdey, but now the real question is to whether we can rely on it or not? I would love too, but it's not up to me whether certain things should exist or not.
    October 9th, 2008 at 02:08am
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    Purgatory was really just made up as a way for the Catholic Church to make money in the 1500's or so. There is no mention of purgatory in the bible (so I've heard). Apparently you could get you or a relative out of purgatory by buying a piece of paper that said so. The Lutheran church was created when Martin Luther rebelled against the notion.
    Learned about it last term in christian studies.
    Technically what you're talking about is a plenary indulgence. It's a slightly different thing; an indulgence is what you could pay to avoid purgatory. Purgatory is the void between heaven and hell where virtuous people go to be purified of their sins before they can enter heaven.
    At least that's how it was portrayed by Dante.
    That's exactly what I was thinking. I mean I believe every word of Dante's Comdey, but now the real question is to whether we can rely on it or not? I would love too, but it's not up to me whether certain things should exist or not.
    October 9th, 2008 at 02:08am
  • veronika

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    I don't believe in purgatory, but for argument's sake:
    apparently this 'purgatory' prepares you 'Heaven' by purifying your 'soul'. So what's the point in living a completely sinless life on Earth if you're going to get your soul purified anyway? :think:

    Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. Explain? :shifty
    November 14th, 2008 at 02:33am
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    ^No you're not wrong.

    It was initially created during the time of the formation of the Lutheran Church, practically family members had to pray for their deceased family members to leave purgatory to go to Heaven. If they donated money for a piece of paper with their relative's name, they would have a more likely chance of going to Heaven. It was basically a scam to rip off Catholics for money.

    They abolished it ages ago though, but it's a strong point in Catholicism because it shows how corrupt they became. Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, last time I checked. :shifty
    November 14th, 2008 at 02:44am
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    ^No you're not wrong.

    It was initially created during the time of the formation of the Lutheran Church, practically family members had to pray for their deceased family members to leave purgatory to go to Heaven. If they donated money for a piece of paper with their relative's name, they would have a more likely chance of going to Heaven. It was basically a scam to rip off Catholics for money.

    They abolished it ages ago though, but it's a strong point in Catholicism because it shows how corrupt they became. Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, last time I checked. :shifty
    So... if it was revealed that the church was trying to rip people off when it came to the idea of purgatory, then why do some people still believe in it?

    I'm really confused now :XD
    November 14th, 2008 at 03:07am
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    So... if it was revealed that the church was trying to rip people off when it came to the idea of purgatory, then why do some people still believe in it?

    I'm really confused now :XD
    I have no idea.
    Maybe they didn't get the message it was abolished. :tehe:
    November 14th, 2008 at 04:31am
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    They abolished it ages ago though, but it's a strong point in Catholicism because it shows how corrupt they became. Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, last time I checked. :shifty
    When was Purgatory abolished and by whom?
    :shifty

    The Christian faith is based both on the Holy Scripture and the Holy Tradition.
    Not everything is mentioned in the Bible, for example the mechanism to set the date of Easter isn't, but that doesn't make it any less valid.
    November 14th, 2008 at 01:47pm
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    Not everything is mentioned in the Bible, for example the mechanism to set the date of Easter isn't, but that doesn't make it any less valid.
    So who decided that if it wasn't in the Bible? :think:
    Did it just appear out of nowhere one day?
    November 14th, 2008 at 01:56pm
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    When was Purgatory abolished and by whom?
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    That's what our teacher said. Obviously they were wrong. I correct my mistake. Apologies.
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    Second Vatican Council actually affirmed the belief in Purgatory
    Personally I think it's stupid because you are supposed to live your life morally and yet again spent it in Purgatory waiting to be received in Heaven.
    Schools barely teach that you go to Purgatory. They just say you go straight to Heaven or Hell. That's what we've been taught our entire lives. Even my priest said that. :shifty
    November 14th, 2008 at 02:00pm
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    So who decided that if it wasn't in the Bible? :think:
    Did it just appear out of nowhere one day?
    They would've just extrapolated off ideas in the Bible to create such a belief. To go to Heaven you have to utterly pure. If you've died with a bit of sin, you need to be purified of all sins in purgatory to actually go to Heaven.
    November 14th, 2008 at 02:02pm
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    Not everything is mentioned in the Bible, for example the mechanism to set the date of Easter isn't, but that doesn't make it any less valid.
    So who decided that if it wasn't in the Bible? :think:
    Did it just appear out of nowhere one day?
    Ecumenic councils decided on it. They regulate most practices like how the mass/liturgy should go, the baptism ceremony, holidays, etc. etc.

    -shrug-
    I'm Orthodox so I can't really take a stand pro or against purgatory, I just wanted to point out that not all of Christian teachings are mentioned in the Bible.
    November 14th, 2008 at 02:07pm
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    Ecumenic councils decided on it. They regulate most practices like how the mass/liturgy should go, the baptism ceremony, holidays, etc. etc.

    -shrug-
    I'm Orthodox so I can't really take a stand pro or against purgatory, I just wanted to point out that not all of Christian teachings are mentioned in the Bible.
    Yet a lot of Christians who are not priests etc claim that everything is based off the Bible and the only evidence to support their beliefs. Just a thought. :shifty
    November 14th, 2008 at 02:10pm
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    Ecumenic councils decided on it. They regulate most practices like how the mass/liturgy should go, the baptism ceremony, holidays, etc. etc.

    -shrug-
    I'm Orthodox so I can't really take a stand pro or against purgatory, I just wanted to point out that not all of Christian teachings are mentioned in the Bible.
    Yet a lot of Christians who are not priests etc claim that everything is based off the Bible and the only evidence to support their beliefs. Just a thought. :shifty
    Actually the concept of Holy/Sacred Tradition is accepted in both the Catholic and Orthodox Church, I am not to comment on other denominations or on human hypocrisy and lack of knowledge.

    The Holy Tradition does not contradict the Bible in any way and all Christian dogma is based on the Bible, but the Bible is just a book it contains a very limited amount of information.

    For most denominations have masses/liturgies.
    Nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned how to perform such ceremonies -and I assure you there are pretty strict rules to them, at least in the Orthodox practice.
    Not everything about the Christian faith could be compressed to fit the size of a book.
    The Orthodox Church considers the Holy Tradition as the knowledge and faith Jesus passed down to the Apostles and they later of passed it to believers who then passed it to the next generation, and the next, and etc.
    November 14th, 2008 at 02:18pm
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    I believe it exists... My dad says it exists..
    Though my CR2 teacher says it doesn't...
    November 29th, 2008 at 02:59pm