A Clockwork Orange

alfred e. neuman:

Spaztastic:

Plus, you have to have the real version to understand what Burgess wanted the readers to realize. That's when you see Alex decides for himself not to be evil anymore - proving methods like Ludovico Technique is a sin, removing the power of free will.

What do you mean by the real version?
There's more than one?

In the American version there is three parts, seven chapters for the first two parts but only six for the third part. And it leaves off like in the film. But in the Brittish edition there's a seventh chapter where Alex becomes bored with all the ultra-violence and decides to grow up. There was significance with 21 chapters, like you reach full maturity when you reach 21.

But they re-published it with the full 21 chapters, that's the copy I own. Kubrick apparently didn't like the last chapter, so that's partly why it wasn't incorporated into the movie.

helenanna:

In the American version there is three parts, seven chapters for the first two parts but only six for the third part. And it leaves off like in the film. But in the Brittish edition there's a seventh chapter where Alex becomes bored with all the ultra-violence and decides to grow up. There was significance with 21 chapters, like you reach full maturity when you reach 21.

But they re-published it with the full 21 chapters, that's the copy I own. Kubrick apparently didn't like the last chapter, so that's partly why it wasn't incorporated into the movie.

GACK! I didn't read that one!
I just remember him wanting to smash birds nests at the end and thought "Wow, that was anti-climactic".
Jeez, no wonder I hated the ending. I hadn't read the whole thing!
I have to go find this version!

I love Clockwork Orange!
It's amazing.

It is annoying when I realize my friends can't understand me because I accidently slip bits of Nadsat into my speech. xD

I much preferred the book to the film, to be honest.

SuperciliousDeity:

I much preferred the book to the film, to be honest.

Me too.
I usually prefer the books rather then the movies. :]

Vincent Price:

Me too.
I usually prefer the books rather then the movies. :]

What's weird is I usually do, too.
This is probably the only exception.

Vincent Price:

Kubrick apparently didn't like the last chapter, so that's partly why it wasn't incorporated into the movie.

He didn't read the British version, so he didn't know there was a 21st chapter. By the time he read the original version, the screenplay was nearly finished. But he never really considered changing it.

Would it sound like boasting if I said I didn't really have any trouble becoming accustomed to the language? :shifty

I loved it. The book, that it. I have yet to watch the movie, but from what I've seen on youtube it looks incredible. And I love how they have northern English accents in the film, too - I mean, Anthony Burgess was from Manchester, so it makes sense. My accent is like that :tehe:

I suppose it was normal to feel a great leaping joy when Alex regained his taste for the old ultraviolence? He's the embodiment of evil, I suppose, but I found myself empathising with him so much that I felt devastated when I cottoned on to what they were doing to him.

Also, if the only reason he did all of those things really was that he was young, then I feel like I should be developing a fear of teenage boys.

^ I didn't have trouble figuring it out either. Mainly because I had a dictionary for it in the back of my book. :tehe:

Nonetheless, I still quote it sometimes.

Has anyone viddied the film yet? It was real horrorshow.

Vincent Price:

alfred e. neuman:

Spaztastic:

Plus, you have to have the real version to understand what Burgess wanted the readers to realize. That's when you see Alex decides for himself not to be evil anymore - proving methods like Ludovico Technique is a sin, removing the power of free will.

What do you mean by the real version?
There's more than one?

In the American version there is three parts, seven chapters for the first two parts but only six for the third part. And it leaves off like in the film. But in the Brittish edition there's a seventh chapter where Alex becomes bored with all the ultra-violence and decides to grow up. There was significance with 21 chapters, like you reach full maturity when you reach 21.

But they re-published it with the full 21 chapters, that's the copy I own. Kubrick apparently didn't like the last chapter, so that's partly why it wasn't incorporated into the movie.

They should have put the last chapter in the movie. I think that's what ties the book all together.

I adore the book, but my father refuses to let me see the movie. :(
I believe his exact words were:

"Rose, you're completely mad if you think I'm going to let you watch something with that amount of violence before you graduate university. And yes dear, I will be watching."

My father can be an evil creeper when he wants to be. Is the movie very good? I hear it is...

The movie's very good... only, I don't like the end. I kind of thought it was a bit abrupt.

I really love Burgess' original ending.
Book > movie.

hmsbacklash:

I adore the book, but my father refuses to let me see the movie. :(
I believe his exact words were:

"Rose, you're completely mad if you think I'm going to let you watch something with that amount of violence before you graduate university. And yes dear, I will be watching."

My father can be an evil creeper when he wants to be. Is the movie very good? I hear it is...

Best. Movie. Ever. :mrgreen:
Well that's just my opinion, but the movie is very good.

I found the book in a cupboard in a cottage I stayed in for a week last month. :tehe:
I read the first few pages, and it seemed quite good.

I might buy the book and finish it sometime soon now that I've seen there are a lot of fans on here.
I don't think my parents like it. Well, my Mum doesn't anyway. I should've asked why. :think:

Gwen Stefani:

Best. Movie. Ever. :mrgreen:
Well that's just my opinion, but the movie is very good.

The movie was directed by Stanley Kubrick. Of course it's amazing.

Honestly, I think the movie did a better portrayal of the story than the book. I liked Alex a lot more in the movie (well, as much as you can like a bratty sociopath), and it captured this dark humor that I felt the book greatly lacked.

But that's just me. :file:

teddypicker.:

I found the book in a cupboard in a cottage I stayed in for a week last month. :tehe:
I read the first few pages, and it seemed quite good.

I might buy the book and finish it sometime soon now that I've seen there are a lot of fans on here.
I don't think my parents like it. Well, my Mum doesn't anyway. I should've asked why. :think:

She probably doesn't like it because there's a lot of violence in it.

So, I started on this book a few days ago. I read the first page and was like, 'WTF' at the language, but then I realised that the meanings to some of the words were in the front, so it was all horrorshow after that. :XD

ANYWAY. I'm really liking this book so far; at the moment, I'm at the part where they've started showing Alex all those films, and he feels sick.

I didn't know that there are versions where they cut out the last chapter :don:

*checks* Okay, mine has three parts, and the last part has seven chapters. Is that the whole version?

Teenage Dirtbag.:

I didn't know that there are versions where they cut out the last chapter :don:

*checks* Okay, mine has three parts, and the last part has seven chapters. Is that the whole version?

Yes, you should have the entire version because it was the 21st chapter that was originally cut out in the American version. Burgess's NY publisher found the idea of having a book that was evil through and through more interesting for Americans, so he cut out that last chapter. Burgess didn't like it though, because he felt it was not a fair depiction of human life.

This is my absolute favorite book, and surprisingly it was much easier to read than it was to watch haha.

Okay, so I finished it a couple of days ago. I'm going to sound really, really stupid and ignorant here...but he has a son? Whut? Was I just not paying attention?

Teenage Dirtbag.:

Okay, so I finished it a couple of days ago. I'm going to sound really, really stupid and ignorant here...but he has a son? Whut? Was I just not paying attention?

I haven't read it in a while, but I'm pretty sure he does not have a son. He's only 18 at the end. :tehe:

But I swear he says something about a son and finding someone to look after him... :don:

I must be losing it.

EDIT: Okay, I just looked on Wikipedia, and I think Alex reflects about what could happen if he had children and they followed his example, and therefore decides to give up his bad ways :XD He doesn't have a son.