This. Stuff like this drives me crazy. This is now the second time you've decided to make judgment calls about my entire being and soul instead of just sticking to what we're talking about. Stop it. Stop devolving into personal attacks.
- Lasairiona Berry:
- For me, that does speak of a deeper issue: you're not willing to put someone else before yourself for a momentary discomfort. What you want is more important. Like it's too much work to change an outfit for a few hours in order to maintain a relationship. Be honest and tell them you don't agree that's cool.
Did you just seriously compare wearing a lowcut top to someone murdering another human being? I'm going to break my own rule and tell you never to do that again, because it is inherently a logical fallacy and also, it's just trying to stir things up. There is no societal standard that wearing a bikini is wrong. So even if we're going from a societal standard sort of analogy, your analogy still doesn't work. Also, as a matter of fact, this is a free country. If what you're doing is legal and allowed in that area? You don't really have a say in it legally. That is a fact of law. Also, you once again keep bringing this personal.
- Lasairiona Berry:
- If you want to make a wild extrapolation from that idea, that's like a murder arguing that they have a right to kill who they want without going to jail. We as a society have established that murder is wrong. A citizen who doesn't agree and doesn't want to conform to that standard murders. He argues that he shouldn't be jailed because it's society's opinion but not his. He has a right to do what he wants.
That's kind of how your argument sounds. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it shouldn't affect me because I have the right to do, say, and wear what I want. Am I misunderstanding your argument there?
Life is more than just church and the church's judgments carry far more weight and reach than just church functions. So no, the conversation was never just about being in church. You know who else didn't follow all the rules simply because they were rules? Jesus. The entire religion is based on a dude that defied the norm. The bible is filled with stories that can be interpreted in many ways. It's why there are so many subsets of a religion. The bible is however, notoriously sexist. The fact that girls are the only ones told to keep track of what they're wearing and boys aren't told anything at all is inherently sexist and wrong.
- Lasairiona Berry:
- And you've mentioned "the real world" a couple times. We're talking about a church setting. The whole point of the church is to be set apart. We're supposed to be different from the rest of the world and presenting a lifestyle in which we don't have to conform to worldly standards in order to be happy. No matter what extreme a church takes that set apart mentality, if you make the intentional choice to be part of that church, you are agreeing to their standards and saying you will live by them. How you choose to act outside of church is up to you. But when with the church or church memebers, you've accepted a set of cultural norms and are expected to respect them or remove yourself from the group. I repeat, by all means express your disgreement with the norm, but intentionally and flagrantly disregarding their expressed standards and expetations is disrespectful.
If you don't feel that it is, then that's your opinion. Which you are free to have. But if a church bars you from an activity because you don't agree, give them the same curtesy of expressing their opinion how they see fit.
September 18th, 2014 at 05:12am