Christians

nevershoutlovee:

As for athiests, I feel bad for them. They can't share what I have with God. They'll nver know what it's like to pray, and have it come true right before your eyes. They'll never know what a powerful feeling it is to have in your heart when you sing "I Can Only Imagine" by MercyMe. They'll never feel it, maybe they don't want to. Even so, I feel bad for them.

I'm sure some athiests probably think the same thing about you. They may feel bad for you because (in their opinion) you'll never be able to live life without thinking 'God did this', without having to see everything through the eyes of innocence.

I know I don't feel bad for my mother not believing in God. She's happy, she lives a good life. What's wrong with that?

druscilla's moon.:

Essence of Pink:

Wouldn't you rather be safe then sorry? I mean, that's my logic......

You can just have faith because you'd rather be safe.
That's not how faith works.
You have to have faith because you truly believe something.
And you can't truly believe something if you don't.

No, I know that...
I was just saying to meet eye to eye with someone. To help them understand my logic.
But no, I have true faith. I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

Essence of Pink:

Agnostic is just another word for saying someone doesn't believe in anything. Agnostics are 'in the middle.' Basically, they can't have 'full knowledge of God existing, so they 'stay in the middle.'

That's wrong.
Every agnostic I know either believes in something or the possibility of something. Just something out there that is greater than us. A life force, a deity, just... something. Something greater that binds us all together. They may not know what they believe yet. (I didn't until I was, like, 19.)
You're sounding kinda... rude.
Just so you know.

Essence of Pink:

To help them understand my logic.

There's not really any logic to the Christian faith, though.
I'm a Christian and I don't see anything logical about it.
We believe a man in the sky got some earth woman pregnant without touching her and she had a baby that grew up to walk on water and perform miracles.
It's not logical at all.
It's all faith.
You have to have pretty strong faith to believe such illogical things.

nevershoutlovee:

acid bath:

God.made.music:

As for athiests, I feel bad for them. They can't share what I have with God. They'll nver know what it's like to pray, and have it come true right before your eyes. They'll never know what a powerful feeling it is to have in your heart when you sing "I Can Only Imagine" by MercyMe. They'll never feel it, maybe they don't want to. Even so, I feel bad for them.

Urgh. Don't feel bad for us, we really do not care. Sorry.
Well, at least I don't.
We won't know what it's like because we don't believe in God.

I get sick of hearing people saying they pity us or feel sorry for us, as if our life isn't as good as their life, or it's somehow less of a life just because we don't believe in your god.

I'm AGNOSTIC. I never said that ^^^ that 12 year old girl did. You might want to read the thing propperly because I don't need you yellling at me for SOMETHING I never said.

What...? It clearly states I quoted God.made.music, not you. :shifty
I wasn't even talking to you, Perhaps you should read it properly.

nevershoutlovee:

What are you talking about. I never said I loathe other religions. Thats just plain rude. I don't know where you got that from because that would never come out of my mouth.

You're right, I quoted the wrong person. Or quoted you as the wrong person, sorry. :shifty
This is the post I got it from. I wasn't been 'plain rude', it was an honest mistake.

In all fairness, the original poster never said they loathed other religions either. Their point was that they loathed discrimination. Whilst seemingly finding it acceptable to patronise (which is worse than hate) Atheists.

druscilla's moon.:

nevershoutlovee:

As for athiests, I feel bad for them. They can't share what I have with God. They'll nver know what it's like to pray, and have it come true right before your eyes. They'll never know what a powerful feeling it is to have in your heart when you sing "I Can Only Imagine" by MercyMe. They'll never feel it, maybe they don't want to. Even so, I feel bad for them.

I'm sure some athiests probably think the same thing about you. They may feel bad for you because (in their opinion) you'll never be able to live life without thinking 'God did this', without having to see everything through the eyes of innocence.

I know I don't feel bad for my mother not believing in God. She's happy, she lives a good life. What's wrong with that?

I NEVER SAID THAT

acid bath:

No you didn't. It clearly says you quoted me not her.

druscilla's moon.:

Essence of Pink:

To help them understand my logic.

There's not really any logic to the Christian faith, though.
I'm a Christian and I don't see anything logical about it.
We believe a man in the sky got some earth woman pregnant without touching her and she had a baby that grew up to walk on water and perform miracles.
It's not logical at all.
It's all faith.
You have to have pretty strong faith to believe such illogical things.

There may not be a whole lot of logic, but I guess it's all a matter of faith and believing. Each and every one of us struggles with faith and believing at some point in their lifetime. The difference is whether you choose to take that leap of faith or not. You may be wrong, you may be right, but it's a chance that I'm willing to take.

Oh...hi *waves*. Let me introduce myself. Maddie is the name. I've been going to Catholic school for 9 years now. I'm having kind of a rocky relationship with Christ at the moment. I've witnessed so many things at my school that upset me. A lot of the staff, teachers, and priests act un-Christ like. I'm always so tempted by the distractions and noise of daily life. But I'm taking it day by day, trying to get back into believing this mystery of faith whole-heartedly.

Faith is everything, I mean, you have to have faith in your computer, or you'd never turn it on, and faith in your shower to spray warm water all over you instead of cold. Having faith is a very logical thing to have even if it defies physical logic.

So, I was born and raised by Christians, and I like Jesus a whole lot, God is great, the entire belief of "Love God, love your neighbor, love yourself," goes right along with my anarchist beliefs, so it's all good there. Politics and religion can work, see. But I take nothing too seriously, I'm pro-casualization of religion, therefore I can still respect Christ and all that while comparing Jesus to chocolate milk or grapes and saying "Thank Gerard" instead of "Thank God", etc.

I conclude: my form of religion is totally fun. Jesus=friend not overlord.

^ I don't have faith that my computer or shower will turn on. I trust that they do, because, you know, sometimes they don't. This whole thing with faith is silly. To place your faith into something requires absolute conviction. You believe, without a shadow of a doubt, that something is true.

Faith is illogical. Trust isn't.

nevershoutlovee:

No you didn't. It clearly says you quoted me not her.

I didn't quote you. Deal with it. :shifty

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With the whole thing about faith and logic etc., I've personally never found religion particularly logical because isn't faith kind of... almost opposite to logical? :think:
That's always what I've thought. Faith is very subjective and personal, whereas logic is very matter of fact and common-sensical. I don't know, haha.

Also - and I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here (hopefully it belongs). What do people think of this statement? To be honest, I read it this morning on a toilet wall, of all places. But I want to make it clear that I don't necessarily believe it.

"An Atheist who does good does so out of the kindness of their heart. A Christian who does good does so because they fear going to Hell".

I can already picture the Christians in the thread completely disagreeing, which is understandable. But do you think some people can justify this statement? Does anyone actually agree, even just a little bit? Are there actually any Christians out there who just do good because they feel like they'll go to Hell if they don't? I'm curious.

I know it was written on a toilet wall, but I thought it was interesting, lmfao.

I agree with the first part, but I never really believed that a Christian just does good to stop themselves from going to hell. When I was a Christian, we still had the whole, "You can't get to heaven on good deeds" thing.

I don't really think that random acts of kindness have anything to do with religion. Random acts are just what the name implies- random.

Now Faith-based charities are another matter. I don't think that a religious person partakes in such charities because it'll put them in good with god. Rather, I feel that they do it out of their love for god. Their love for god comes from the heart, and I don't feel it's any less genuine than the goodness shown by an atheist.

Ok, I made a post earlier and I saw that a lot of people were offended. I'm really sorry if I offended any atheists, or if I annoyed you. Like I said, I'm only 13 and I've got a loooooong way to go, and a lot to learn. I look at my message now, and I think that I didn't word it right. I don't exactly feel bad for you(I know an atheist can have a perfectly happy life without believing in God, and that's OK), it's just that, for me, when I was very depressed and sad and wallowing in self pity, I kind of heard God telling me, "Seriously, you've got it good. Tough this this out." And I went by that. I guess I kind of saw it as: if you don't have God, what will help you through that. But, I think about it now, and I know that if I didn't believe in God, there could have been other things to help me through. My mom, friends, and others. I can't express how annoyed with myself I am, how narrow minded I was when I wrote that. I read your replies, and I do see your points. If someone felt bad for me for being Christian, I'd be pretty PO'd, too. I didn't mean to insult anyone, and I didn't mean to preach. I guess I was just voicing my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone

BTW, there is a topic just above this, that says "Sorry if I offended anyone" and it was supposed to go here. I accidentally clicked on "create a new topic" rather than "reply to this topic" so, a new topic was created on accident. (I'm such an idiot). Sorry! :oops:

Gabe Saporta.:

So I guess you have to apologize for being gay and try you hardest to be straight to be able to get to heaven. Or at least that's how I'm seeing things.

I don't really agree with that at all. A person's sexuality is not chosen by them, so there's no point really in apologising for it. And, to 'try and be straight' as a gay person would be like, say, a black-haired person 'trying' to be blond-haired. Okay, bad example, but you know what I mean.

And because of that, I find it hard to see the sense in homosexuality being a sin. Your sexuality is set for life, so if God created all of us, he created our sexualities with us. According to that, saying that homosexuality is a sin would be hypocritical.

That's one of the main reasons I've lost my religion; being a bisexual person, I can't see how I'm not allowed to have relations with another boy, when if God created me, it was his doing that I go that way.

Edit: Re-reading that, I sounded quite a bit as if I was snapping at you then, but that's not what I intended, so I'm sorry if it came across that way. :tehe:

^ When you say you're 'not allowed' to be bisexual, what I don't understand is why many christians believe homosexuality is a sin. Like it was said earlier, it says in Leviticus 20:13, "thou shalt not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, this is abomination" or something along those lines. But this is taken out of context because as Dru pointed out, the Israelites were trying to reproduce and so gay sex would not be practical in that sense.

acid bath:

nevershoutlovee:

No you didn't. It clearly says you quoted me not her.

I didn't quote you. Deal with it. :shifty

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With the whole thing about faith and logic etc., I've personally never found religion particularly logical because isn't faith kind of... almost opposite to logical? :think:
That's always what I've thought. Faith is very subjective and personal, whereas logic is very matter of fact and common-sensical. I don't know, haha.

Also - and I don't know where to put this, so I'll put it here (hopefully it belongs). What do people think of this statement? To be honest, I read it this morning on a toilet wall, of all places. But I want to make it clear that I don't necessarily believe it.

"An Atheist who does good does so out of the kindness of their heart. A Christian who does good does so because they fear going to Hell".

I can already picture the Christians in the thread completely disagreeing, which is understandable. But do you think some people can justify this statement? Does anyone actually agree, even just a little bit? Are there actually any Christians out there who just do good because they feel like they'll go to Hell if they don't? I'm curious.

I know it was written on a toilet wall, but I thought it was interesting, lmfao.

Okay :) if you say so

Alexface.:

I don't really agree with that at all. A person's sexuality is not chosen by them, so there's no point really in apologising for it. And, to 'try and be straight' as a gay person would be like, say, a black-haired person 'trying' to be blond-haired. Okay, bad example, but you know what I mean.

And because of that, I find it hard to see the sense in homosexuality being a sin. Your sexuality is set for life, so if God created all of us, he created our sexualities with us. According to that, saying that homosexuality is a sin would be hypocritical.

That's one of the main reasons I've lost my religion; being a bisexual person, I can't see how I'm not allowed to have relations with another boy, when if God created me, it was his doing that I go that way.

Edit: Re-reading that, I sounded quite a bit as if I was snapping at you then, but that's not what I intended, so I'm sorry if it came across that way. :tehe:

Well that wasn't my personal opinion on the subject. I was saying that after researching what I feel the bible is saying is that if you don't repent and try your hardest to change your ways that you won't be accepted into heaven. But personally, I agree with you.

Alexface.:

That's one of the main reasons I've lost my religion; being a bisexual person, I can't see how I'm not allowed to have relations with another boy, when if God created me, it was his doing that I go that way.

I still have my faith. I'm pan. I just don't believe other sexual orientations are a sin and I don't listen to people who think they are.
They're wrong.

druscilla's camera.:

I still have my faith. I'm pan. I just don't believe other sexual orientations are a sin and I don't listen to people who think they are.
They're wrong.

Not sure if this is going way too off topic but what exactly is pan?