Two Men Dialogue on Net
Two Men Dialogue on Net
Two Men Dialogue on Net
These dialogues are between Zahid and Jillian. There are Internet friends. This I like and so I share them with you. I hope you will like them.
Zahid: I’m back
Zahid: my work will start on 8 PM
Zahid: it’s some time I have now
Zahid: you may chat if you like
Jillian I thought you were leaving
Zahid: I’m back
Zahid: My work will start by 8
Zahid: Now, its 7:36 PM
Zahid: Do you have time to chat?
Jillian Yeah
Zahid: ok
Zahid: So ask more questions please
Jillian I have nothing to ask
Zahid: ok
Zahid: may I ask?
Jillian fine
Zahid: any thing
Zahid: may I ask you any thing?
Jillian yes
Zahid: hmmmmmmmm
Zahid: I like it
Zahid: ok what’s your religion please?
Jillian I'm an atheist
Jillian I have no religion
Zahid: yes
Zahid: Atheist
Zahid: I know
Jillian Basically I have no belief in religion or Spirituality
Zahid: and your parents
Jillian My mother is into New Age and my dad believes in god but has no set religion
Zahid: do you know something about Islam?
Zahid: Islam?
Jillian Not a lot
Zahid: about Muslims
Jillian The dominating religion in America is Christianity
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and the second one even in America is Islam
Zahid: do you know this fact?
Jillian No I didn't
Zahid: yes
Zahid: it’s like that
Jillian I do know there are many Muslims in America
Zahid: yes
Zahid: how did you find me?
Jillian I don't know, I'm sure I didn't seek you out
Zahid: ok
Zahid: so when you got me do tell me
Zahid: then I will tell you something
Zahid: hope that will change your life and you a lot
Zahid: yet you must try to know if um good or bad ok
Jillian: Good or bad?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and if you replace your picture with the previous one
Zahid: I like that one a lot
Zahid: this one is good too
Jillian I like this one better
Zahid: ok
Zahid: so you must keep the one you like yourself
Jillian yep
Zahid: hmmmmmmmmm
Zahid: ok so
Zahid: you like to have Religion?
Jillian I said before I don't have one, I’m an Atheist
Jillian you do know what Atheism is right?
Zahid: ok
Zahid: don’t you think we must have a religion
Jillian No
Zahid: do you have reasons for that?
Jillian: Yes, I believe that religion teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding things
Jillian: it teaches people to have faith and to not question
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: what i say about religion is
Zahid: Religion Teaches people to be satisfied with great understanding things
Zahid: It teaches people to have faith only after questions
Jillian: there are many religions, they can't all be right
Zahid: one can be satisfied without understanding
Zahid: yes
Zahid: only one is right
Jillian: That's basically saying "ignorance is bliss"
Zahid: you have to search this yourself
Jillian: I like a system that provides facts, not ancient texts
Zahid: it means you have a lot of facts?
Jillian: I mean science
Jillian: I think science provides things religions can't
Zahid: science that we have is very small
Jillian: like understanding how the world works
Zahid: and it’s very hard for our small mind to understand the real science
Jillian: the real science?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: Science
Zahid: Science believes what we see
Zahid: that is existence
Zahid: is it like that?
Jillian: Yes
Jillian: Science isn't only about what can be seen, it's about what can be tested and what is real
Zahid: yes
Zahid: but don’t you think it’s also a text
Zahid: just text and self made stories
Zahid: the science that you have
Jillian: Is science made up?
Jillian: No
Zahid: yes
Zahid: it is made up by human
Zahid: made up by us
Zahid: it’s our research and nothing
Zahid: it could be wrong at any time
Zahid: as it had been
Zahid: What was told some years ago wrong by science is right now
Zahid: things that were not believe by science some time ago is believe now
Zahid: so whets this
Jillian: Like what?
Zahid: like
Zahid: like if you call a science of Stone Age and show it today’s science would that believe it?
Zahid: if we call a man from Stone Age and let me stand on the road
Zahid: would he believe the cars instead of elephants
Zahid: what he would call to ships
Zahid: what would he call to busses?
Zahid: what he would call to PC?
Zahid: What he would say to Mobile
Jillian: What would he say?
Zahid: he would say according to his science it’s Magic
Zahid: he would never believe all this
Jillian: He wouldn't have any concept of science
Zahid: yes
Zahid: so when we will have not the concept till then will not believe but the truth is truth and that is in its existence
Zahid: only thing is that we can see
Zahid: it not true that what we can’t see we may not believe
Zahid: what we can’t test means not it has not taste
Jillian: Gravity can't be seen, science obviously believes that exists
Zahid: and so on
Zahid: no
Zahid: Gravity is just a concept
Zahid: made by us
Zahid: and nothing else
Jillian: Nothing else? Gravity’s effects can't be seen? It’s just out imaginations?
Zahid: if there were no mirror we might have never seen our back till now
Zahid: that’s not mean that we did not have our back
Zahid: I mean our back side
Jillian: Don't you think it could be easily proved without a mirror that we've got backs?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: we prove with some concepts
Zahid: and the science that you call
Zahid: is here to prove the back of mine is that
Zahid: I have seen other people and they have back
Zahid: I’m like them and so do I have the back too
Zahid: this the concept that was taken by me from other people and I apply it on myself
Zahid: this you call as science now
Jillian: as a human you can pretty much tell that you have a back; it's not too hard to figure out even if you never saw another human being in your life.
Zahid: I have given you example to prove it you can prove it by another way
Zahid: look, it’s the religion on which science even work
Zahid: look, I must say in other words, religion is the old name of science
Zahid: science is not something that is new
Jillian: Yes, religion was early humans trying to make sense of things the best they knew how
Jillian: It shouldn't have to apply today
Zahid: so the same what we have today, we can’t apply that after 50 years
Jillian: 50 years from now science we'll be as relevant as it is today
Zahid: after 50 years if you will apply the same you will be considered as ignorant
Jillian: Better science will be applied in 50 years, but still science none the less
Zahid: ok if after 50 years so, what do you say about 10,000
Jillian: Global warming will get us by then
Jillian: lol (lots of laughers)
Zahid: no
Zahid: wrong
Zahid: totally wrong
Jillian: It was kind of a joke
Zahid: look I give you another example
Jillian: shoot
Zahid: ok
Zahid: now see Windows
Zahid: Window on your PC
Zahid: what was the first Window you used?
Jillian: Windows 98
Zahid: I also used DOS
Zahid: I used 93 as my first Window
Zahid: my kids may not know even the name of Window 98
Zahid: do you believe this?
Jillian: Possibly
Zahid: no possibly its true kuz (Because)
Zahid: I prove that
Jillian: I know the name of George Washington and that was much longer ago
Jillian: why shouldn’t
Jillian: shouldn't your kids know windows?
Zahid: yes but we talk about science
Zahid: so I prove it to you
Zahid: how my kids may not know about Window 98
Zahid: ok
Zahid: look the Machine that today I have is even not for Window 98
Zahid: as most of drivers are not installed by default
Jillian: Let me ask you something
Zahid: so the Machines that would be after 50 years they would have different devices
Zahid: and for those you must have other drivers too that will not be in this version
Zahid: so these things will be no more in use and the new will be there
Zahid: ok you ask me
Jillian: Why exactly should I or anyone else believe in God?
Zahid: If you or anyone else exactly should believe in Allah (God) than what?
Zahid: look in real Allah (God) has nothing with if you believe in or not
Jillian: My question was, why because humans at one time needed God to be an explanation for the existence of things why should that apply to us today?
Zahid: How much human can explain himself?
Zahid: we can’t explain. Our mind power is limited
Zahid: let’s go by another example if you like
Zahid: it’s from explanation point of view
Jillian: Couldn't you just answer the question straight?
Zahid: no
Zahid: kuz (Because)
Zahid: truth is something you have to find it your self
Zahid: lol
Zahid: hahaha
Jillian: Faith
Zahid: yes
Zahid: Faith is something you are to confess
Jillian: I choose to believe in nothing that hasn't been proven to exist
Zahid: we are to Admit
Zahid: you will believe one day
Jillian: And why is that?
Zahid: according to your science believing nothing also implies believing something
Zahid: as every empty set as a set
Zahid: I have told you as math (Mathematics)
Zahid: math says
Zahid: a = { }
Zahid: a has nothing in it
Zahid: but it has a nothing named set (an empty or phi set)
Zahid: hahahaah
Jillian: ok then
Zahid: yes
Jillian: lol
Zahid: y lol
Jillian: Never mind
Zahid: ok
Zahid: look no body has told you correct
Zahid: or the place where you are its very hard to get the one that have
Zahid: so you work and try to find the truth
Zahid: science is nothing itself dear
Zahid: the science of today is what we say and the science of Stone Age was, what they say
Jillian: So, science is nothing?
Zahid: but the real truth is still same, it was, it is and it will be in the same way
Jillian: Why do you believe that an ancient text is more credible then today's science?
Zahid: I don’t say so
Zahid: I said that the science of olden days was not like today is
Zahid: and what today is will not be in future
Zahid: so it’s noting itself
Jillian: Our understanding of things gets better with time
Zahid: Allah (GOD) is something that is one and the same always
Zahid: and the same is Faith
Jillian: What about Jesus?
Zahid: He was the Messenger of Allah
Jillian: I suppose that's the same with all the other Gods in other cultures?
Jillian: Why do you suppose there are so many if Allah is the one true God?
Zahid: There is only on GOD and there are no other GODs but Allah, my dear
Zahid: GOD can’t be more than one
Zahid: this not possible
Zahid: Allah can’t be two or more
Jillian: The Christian God I’m sure is very different from Allah
Jillian: As with others
Zahid: no
Zahid: they made it different
Jillian: but yours is the real one?
Zahid: the teaching are changed by them
Zahid: The real is only one
Jillian: But Islam has true teachings?
Jillian: all the others were made up?
Zahid: I don’t say so
Zahid: about Islam even now
Jillian: You just said that they made it different
Zahid: there is much changed in Islam but Not in Quran and Hadth
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and now they are trying to change even Islam
Jillian: The bible has been updated many times
Jillian: they have to go back and change what has become outdated
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and this is impossible
Jillian: I guess it stops making sense pretty quickly
Zahid: it’s impossible to update book of Lord by human. Only he can update his books
Jillian: That's progression
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and this is not possible now
Zahid: on one can update the book of truth except truth itself
Zahid: no one could ever and now onward it’s impossible to do so
Jillian: In thousands of years these texts will not be relevant in society
Jillian: It's a wonder they are today
Zahid: but Quran is same till now
Jillian: its 8:43 isn’t it?
Jillian: where you are?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: I left my work
Zahid: it was so nice to have such chatting with you
Zahid: I will save all this with me
Zahid: and make a story of it
Zahid: it will help people understanding more
Jillian: that should be interesting
Zahid: if you give this to any of your teacher
Zahid: he would ask about me
Zahid: yes
Jillian: I don't have a teacher actually
Zahid: and I must say you must find the truth
Zahid: life is not only to pass
Zahid: it has a purpose
Zahid: ok I’m your teacher if you admit me
Jillian: What we make out purpose
Zahid: purpose is not made
Zahid: it is by default
Zahid: we only find it
Jillian: If you said your life had no purpose it wouldn't have one, no purpose is given to us
Zahid: its now who what find
Jillian: We decide it for ourselves
Zahid: you yourself are to find purpose of your life my dear
Zahid: yes
Zahid: but you have to find the true one
Zahid: the true purpose is one and it’s same for all
Zahid: I mean the true purpose must be one for all human beings
Zahid: as we have rest of things same
Zahid: like body
Zahid: this world
Zahid: the world that’s for me is same for you
Zahid: the body as I have as for you
Zahid: we have every thing same
Jillian: Yeah, since we are of the same species
Zahid: so why our purpose and faith may be same
Zahid: so why our purpose and faith may not be same (correct sentence)
Zahid: it’s because we did not try to find the truth
Zahid: are you there?
Jillian: yep
Jillian: I was just watching TV for a second
Zahid: so do you admit me your teacher
Zahid: ok
Jillian: Hell no
Zahid: ok
Zahid: did you learn something?
Jillian: Not really, only that I’m still as much an Atheist as I was before
Zahid: hmmmmmmmmm
Jillian: I have and never will believe in your God or anyone else
Zahid: my words will be recalled by your mind very soon
Jillian: Yeah sure
Jillian: I think you overestimate yourself a little
Zahid: my words will make you believe one day
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: I believe if we work a little we can find the truth
Zahid: and I hope you will work on
Jillian: you're interest is other people believing in what you believe; truth has no bearing on it.
Jillian: gotta go now
Zahid: in my all words, you can’t prove that I have said any where any thing like that
Jillian: talk to you later
Jillian: We can continue this a little later, right?
Zahid: I did not say you to believe my religion
Zahid: ok
Zahid: I’m here
Jillian: We can go on for hours arguing this
Zahid: yes
Zahid: I’m here
Jillian: And you will always think you're right and so will I, no conclusion will ever be reached
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: where I will be wrong I will have to admit
Zahid: and you will have to admit too
Jillian: It is, and you're not going to get me to believe in your God and I wouldn't want to get you to not believe in him
Zahid: as you are; may be talking to one you may never again
Jillian: It's useless
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: it’s what you say
Zahid: just by saying so you may not end chatting
Jillian: What do you think will come of arguing this?
Zahid: when you will chat with me forth you will know the truth
Zahid: I don’t argue
Jillian: The truth is Islam, right?
Zahid: I don’t say so
Zahid: Islam may not and may be
Zahid: I try to let you know something from your side
Zahid: this is what you have to find
Zahid: you at least work on; search on
Jillian: The conclusion I’ve reached is that there is no God; do you believe I have not found the truth?
Zahid: if you think it’s so it might be so
Zahid: but I don’t believe so
Zahid: so my conclusion is other
Jillian: So we obviously differ greatly on that subject, what exactly should we be arguing?
Zahid: we can argue when we have different views if both have same views we can't argue
Zahid: so it’s good to chat
Zahid: you may take break
Zahid: I’m here
Zahid: we may chat
Zahid: I’m going out on the shop
Zahid: and will be back in ten minutes
Jillian: Ok
Zahid: chat you latter
Jillian: Do we have to talk all day?
Zahid: if you like
Zahid: I will
Jillian: umm, fuck no
Jillian: lol
Zahid: ok
Jillian: I can't chat on an IM all day
Zahid: ok
Jillian: I can barely go two hours
Zahid: ok
Zahid: but
Zahid: we can speak
Zahid: I have head phone if you like
Zahid: in fact I like chatting with you
Zahid: so why I left my work
Jillian: Which was kind of ridiculous
Zahid: ok
Zahid: you don’t like to chat
Zahid: I don’t enforce you
Zahid: ok you may leave now
Jillian: thanks so much
Zahid: ok
Jillian: I thought you were going to leave
Zahid: no
Jillian: don't you have anything to do?
Jillian: I'd kind of like to stay online
Zahid: I have a lot to do
Jillian: then do it, why are you staying online?
Zahid: and if you don’t like to chat I don’t enforce you
Jillian: force not enforce
Zahid: ok
Zahid: English is not my mother language
Jillian: no kidding
Zahid: I only need it to communicate
Zahid: and even it’s not my subject
Zahid: if you understand me enough
Jillian: You are a little tough to understand, but I manage
Zahid: hahahaah
Zahid: lol
Jillian: So don't you have to leave now?
Zahid: you manage me well
Zahid: no I’m here
Zahid: I will only go for ten minutes
Zahid: to get some thing for my eating
Zahid: may I bring something for you?
Zahid: lol
Jillian: hilarious
Zahid: hilarious?
Zahid: I don’t know this
Jillian: It's a word that means very funny
Jillian: In the context I used it, it was sarcasm
Zahid: ok I check in Dictionary
Zahid: ok
Zahid: ok I come after some time
Zahid: I will be online but not in my room
Zahid: ok
Jillian: yeah fine
These dialogues are between Zahid and Jillian. There are Internet friends. This I like and so I share them with you. I hope you will like them.
Zahid: I’m back
Zahid: my work will start on 8 PM
Zahid: it’s some time I have now
Zahid: you may chat if you like
Jillian I thought you were leaving
Zahid: I’m back
Zahid: My work will start by 8
Zahid: Now, its 7:36 PM
Zahid: Do you have time to chat?
Jillian Yeah
Zahid: ok
Zahid: So ask more questions please
Jillian I have nothing to ask
Zahid: ok
Zahid: may I ask?
Jillian fine
Zahid: any thing
Zahid: may I ask you any thing?
Jillian yes
Zahid: hmmmmmmmm
Zahid: I like it
Zahid: ok what’s your religion please?
Jillian I'm an atheist
Jillian I have no religion
Zahid: yes
Zahid: Atheist
Zahid: I know
Jillian Basically I have no belief in religion or Spirituality
Zahid: and your parents
Jillian My mother is into New Age and my dad believes in god but has no set religion
Zahid: do you know something about Islam?
Zahid: Islam?
Jillian Not a lot
Zahid: about Muslims
Jillian The dominating religion in America is Christianity
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and the second one even in America is Islam
Zahid: do you know this fact?
Jillian No I didn't
Zahid: yes
Zahid: it’s like that
Jillian I do know there are many Muslims in America
Zahid: yes
Zahid: how did you find me?
Jillian I don't know, I'm sure I didn't seek you out
Zahid: ok
Zahid: so when you got me do tell me
Zahid: then I will tell you something
Zahid: hope that will change your life and you a lot
Zahid: yet you must try to know if um good or bad ok
Jillian: Good or bad?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and if you replace your picture with the previous one
Zahid: I like that one a lot
Zahid: this one is good too
Jillian I like this one better
Zahid: ok
Zahid: so you must keep the one you like yourself
Jillian yep
Zahid: hmmmmmmmmm
Zahid: ok so
Zahid: you like to have Religion?
Jillian I said before I don't have one, I’m an Atheist
Jillian you do know what Atheism is right?
Zahid: ok
Zahid: don’t you think we must have a religion
Jillian No
Zahid: do you have reasons for that?
Jillian: Yes, I believe that religion teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding things
Jillian: it teaches people to have faith and to not question
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: what i say about religion is
Zahid: Religion Teaches people to be satisfied with great understanding things
Zahid: It teaches people to have faith only after questions
Jillian: there are many religions, they can't all be right
Zahid: one can be satisfied without understanding
Zahid: yes
Zahid: only one is right
Jillian: That's basically saying "ignorance is bliss"
Zahid: you have to search this yourself
Jillian: I like a system that provides facts, not ancient texts
Zahid: it means you have a lot of facts?
Jillian: I mean science
Jillian: I think science provides things religions can't
Zahid: science that we have is very small
Jillian: like understanding how the world works
Zahid: and it’s very hard for our small mind to understand the real science
Jillian: the real science?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: Science
Zahid: Science believes what we see
Zahid: that is existence
Zahid: is it like that?
Jillian: Yes
Jillian: Science isn't only about what can be seen, it's about what can be tested and what is real
Zahid: yes
Zahid: but don’t you think it’s also a text
Zahid: just text and self made stories
Zahid: the science that you have
Jillian: Is science made up?
Jillian: No
Zahid: yes
Zahid: it is made up by human
Zahid: made up by us
Zahid: it’s our research and nothing
Zahid: it could be wrong at any time
Zahid: as it had been
Zahid: What was told some years ago wrong by science is right now
Zahid: things that were not believe by science some time ago is believe now
Zahid: so whets this
Jillian: Like what?
Zahid: like
Zahid: like if you call a science of Stone Age and show it today’s science would that believe it?
Zahid: if we call a man from Stone Age and let me stand on the road
Zahid: would he believe the cars instead of elephants
Zahid: what he would call to ships
Zahid: what would he call to busses?
Zahid: what he would call to PC?
Zahid: What he would say to Mobile
Jillian: What would he say?
Zahid: he would say according to his science it’s Magic
Zahid: he would never believe all this
Jillian: He wouldn't have any concept of science
Zahid: yes
Zahid: so when we will have not the concept till then will not believe but the truth is truth and that is in its existence
Zahid: only thing is that we can see
Zahid: it not true that what we can’t see we may not believe
Zahid: what we can’t test means not it has not taste
Jillian: Gravity can't be seen, science obviously believes that exists
Zahid: and so on
Zahid: no
Zahid: Gravity is just a concept
Zahid: made by us
Zahid: and nothing else
Jillian: Nothing else? Gravity’s effects can't be seen? It’s just out imaginations?
Zahid: if there were no mirror we might have never seen our back till now
Zahid: that’s not mean that we did not have our back
Zahid: I mean our back side
Jillian: Don't you think it could be easily proved without a mirror that we've got backs?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: we prove with some concepts
Zahid: and the science that you call
Zahid: is here to prove the back of mine is that
Zahid: I have seen other people and they have back
Zahid: I’m like them and so do I have the back too
Zahid: this the concept that was taken by me from other people and I apply it on myself
Zahid: this you call as science now
Jillian: as a human you can pretty much tell that you have a back; it's not too hard to figure out even if you never saw another human being in your life.
Zahid: I have given you example to prove it you can prove it by another way
Zahid: look, it’s the religion on which science even work
Zahid: look, I must say in other words, religion is the old name of science
Zahid: science is not something that is new
Jillian: Yes, religion was early humans trying to make sense of things the best they knew how
Jillian: It shouldn't have to apply today
Zahid: so the same what we have today, we can’t apply that after 50 years
Jillian: 50 years from now science we'll be as relevant as it is today
Zahid: after 50 years if you will apply the same you will be considered as ignorant
Jillian: Better science will be applied in 50 years, but still science none the less
Zahid: ok if after 50 years so, what do you say about 10,000
Jillian: Global warming will get us by then
Jillian: lol (lots of laughers)
Zahid: no
Zahid: wrong
Zahid: totally wrong
Jillian: It was kind of a joke
Zahid: look I give you another example
Jillian: shoot
Zahid: ok
Zahid: now see Windows
Zahid: Window on your PC
Zahid: what was the first Window you used?
Jillian: Windows 98
Zahid: I also used DOS
Zahid: I used 93 as my first Window
Zahid: my kids may not know even the name of Window 98
Zahid: do you believe this?
Jillian: Possibly
Zahid: no possibly its true kuz (Because)
Zahid: I prove that
Jillian: I know the name of George Washington and that was much longer ago
Jillian: why shouldn’t
Jillian: shouldn't your kids know windows?
Zahid: yes but we talk about science
Zahid: so I prove it to you
Zahid: how my kids may not know about Window 98
Zahid: ok
Zahid: look the Machine that today I have is even not for Window 98
Zahid: as most of drivers are not installed by default
Jillian: Let me ask you something
Zahid: so the Machines that would be after 50 years they would have different devices
Zahid: and for those you must have other drivers too that will not be in this version
Zahid: so these things will be no more in use and the new will be there
Zahid: ok you ask me
Jillian: Why exactly should I or anyone else believe in God?
Zahid: If you or anyone else exactly should believe in Allah (God) than what?
Zahid: look in real Allah (God) has nothing with if you believe in or not
Jillian: My question was, why because humans at one time needed God to be an explanation for the existence of things why should that apply to us today?
Zahid: How much human can explain himself?
Zahid: we can’t explain. Our mind power is limited
Zahid: let’s go by another example if you like
Zahid: it’s from explanation point of view
Jillian: Couldn't you just answer the question straight?
Zahid: no
Zahid: kuz (Because)
Zahid: truth is something you have to find it your self
Zahid: lol
Zahid: hahaha
Jillian: Faith
Zahid: yes
Zahid: Faith is something you are to confess
Jillian: I choose to believe in nothing that hasn't been proven to exist
Zahid: we are to Admit
Zahid: you will believe one day
Jillian: And why is that?
Zahid: according to your science believing nothing also implies believing something
Zahid: as every empty set as a set
Zahid: I have told you as math (Mathematics)
Zahid: math says
Zahid: a = { }
Zahid: a has nothing in it
Zahid: but it has a nothing named set (an empty or phi set)
Zahid: hahahaah
Jillian: ok then
Zahid: yes
Jillian: lol
Zahid: y lol
Jillian: Never mind
Zahid: ok
Zahid: look no body has told you correct
Zahid: or the place where you are its very hard to get the one that have
Zahid: so you work and try to find the truth
Zahid: science is nothing itself dear
Zahid: the science of today is what we say and the science of Stone Age was, what they say
Jillian: So, science is nothing?
Zahid: but the real truth is still same, it was, it is and it will be in the same way
Jillian: Why do you believe that an ancient text is more credible then today's science?
Zahid: I don’t say so
Zahid: I said that the science of olden days was not like today is
Zahid: and what today is will not be in future
Zahid: so it’s noting itself
Jillian: Our understanding of things gets better with time
Zahid: Allah (GOD) is something that is one and the same always
Zahid: and the same is Faith
Jillian: What about Jesus?
Zahid: He was the Messenger of Allah
Jillian: I suppose that's the same with all the other Gods in other cultures?
Jillian: Why do you suppose there are so many if Allah is the one true God?
Zahid: There is only on GOD and there are no other GODs but Allah, my dear
Zahid: GOD can’t be more than one
Zahid: this not possible
Zahid: Allah can’t be two or more
Jillian: The Christian God I’m sure is very different from Allah
Jillian: As with others
Zahid: no
Zahid: they made it different
Jillian: but yours is the real one?
Zahid: the teaching are changed by them
Zahid: The real is only one
Jillian: But Islam has true teachings?
Jillian: all the others were made up?
Zahid: I don’t say so
Zahid: about Islam even now
Jillian: You just said that they made it different
Zahid: there is much changed in Islam but Not in Quran and Hadth
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and now they are trying to change even Islam
Jillian: The bible has been updated many times
Jillian: they have to go back and change what has become outdated
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and this is impossible
Jillian: I guess it stops making sense pretty quickly
Zahid: it’s impossible to update book of Lord by human. Only he can update his books
Jillian: That's progression
Zahid: yes
Zahid: and this is not possible now
Zahid: on one can update the book of truth except truth itself
Zahid: no one could ever and now onward it’s impossible to do so
Jillian: In thousands of years these texts will not be relevant in society
Jillian: It's a wonder they are today
Zahid: but Quran is same till now
Jillian: its 8:43 isn’t it?
Jillian: where you are?
Zahid: yes
Zahid: I left my work
Zahid: it was so nice to have such chatting with you
Zahid: I will save all this with me
Zahid: and make a story of it
Zahid: it will help people understanding more
Jillian: that should be interesting
Zahid: if you give this to any of your teacher
Zahid: he would ask about me
Zahid: yes
Jillian: I don't have a teacher actually
Zahid: and I must say you must find the truth
Zahid: life is not only to pass
Zahid: it has a purpose
Zahid: ok I’m your teacher if you admit me
Jillian: What we make out purpose
Zahid: purpose is not made
Zahid: it is by default
Zahid: we only find it
Jillian: If you said your life had no purpose it wouldn't have one, no purpose is given to us
Zahid: its now who what find
Jillian: We decide it for ourselves
Zahid: you yourself are to find purpose of your life my dear
Zahid: yes
Zahid: but you have to find the true one
Zahid: the true purpose is one and it’s same for all
Zahid: I mean the true purpose must be one for all human beings
Zahid: as we have rest of things same
Zahid: like body
Zahid: this world
Zahid: the world that’s for me is same for you
Zahid: the body as I have as for you
Zahid: we have every thing same
Jillian: Yeah, since we are of the same species
Zahid: so why our purpose and faith may be same
Zahid: so why our purpose and faith may not be same (correct sentence)
Zahid: it’s because we did not try to find the truth
Zahid: are you there?
Jillian: yep
Jillian: I was just watching TV for a second
Zahid: so do you admit me your teacher
Zahid: ok
Jillian: Hell no
Zahid: ok
Zahid: did you learn something?
Jillian: Not really, only that I’m still as much an Atheist as I was before
Zahid: hmmmmmmmmm
Jillian: I have and never will believe in your God or anyone else
Zahid: my words will be recalled by your mind very soon
Jillian: Yeah sure
Jillian: I think you overestimate yourself a little
Zahid: my words will make you believe one day
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: I believe if we work a little we can find the truth
Zahid: and I hope you will work on
Jillian: you're interest is other people believing in what you believe; truth has no bearing on it.
Jillian: gotta go now
Zahid: in my all words, you can’t prove that I have said any where any thing like that
Jillian: talk to you later
Jillian: We can continue this a little later, right?
Zahid: I did not say you to believe my religion
Zahid: ok
Zahid: I’m here
Jillian: We can go on for hours arguing this
Zahid: yes
Zahid: I’m here
Jillian: And you will always think you're right and so will I, no conclusion will ever be reached
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: where I will be wrong I will have to admit
Zahid: and you will have to admit too
Jillian: It is, and you're not going to get me to believe in your God and I wouldn't want to get you to not believe in him
Zahid: as you are; may be talking to one you may never again
Jillian: It's useless
Zahid: no
Zahid: it’s not like that
Zahid: it’s what you say
Zahid: just by saying so you may not end chatting
Jillian: What do you think will come of arguing this?
Zahid: when you will chat with me forth you will know the truth
Zahid: I don’t argue
Jillian: The truth is Islam, right?
Zahid: I don’t say so
Zahid: Islam may not and may be
Zahid: I try to let you know something from your side
Zahid: this is what you have to find
Zahid: you at least work on; search on
Jillian: The conclusion I’ve reached is that there is no God; do you believe I have not found the truth?
Zahid: if you think it’s so it might be so
Zahid: but I don’t believe so
Zahid: so my conclusion is other
Jillian: So we obviously differ greatly on that subject, what exactly should we be arguing?
Zahid: we can argue when we have different views if both have same views we can't argue
Zahid: so it’s good to chat
Zahid: you may take break
Zahid: I’m here
Zahid: we may chat
Zahid: I’m going out on the shop
Zahid: and will be back in ten minutes
Jillian: Ok
Zahid: chat you latter
Jillian: Do we have to talk all day?
Zahid: if you like
Zahid: I will
Jillian: umm, fuck no
Jillian: lol
Zahid: ok
Jillian: I can't chat on an IM all day
Zahid: ok
Jillian: I can barely go two hours
Zahid: ok
Zahid: but
Zahid: we can speak
Zahid: I have head phone if you like
Zahid: in fact I like chatting with you
Zahid: so why I left my work
Jillian: Which was kind of ridiculous
Zahid: ok
Zahid: you don’t like to chat
Zahid: I don’t enforce you
Zahid: ok you may leave now
Jillian: thanks so much
Zahid: ok
Jillian: I thought you were going to leave
Zahid: no
Jillian: don't you have anything to do?
Jillian: I'd kind of like to stay online
Zahid: I have a lot to do
Jillian: then do it, why are you staying online?
Zahid: and if you don’t like to chat I don’t enforce you
Jillian: force not enforce
Zahid: ok
Zahid: English is not my mother language
Jillian: no kidding
Zahid: I only need it to communicate
Zahid: and even it’s not my subject
Zahid: if you understand me enough
Jillian: You are a little tough to understand, but I manage
Zahid: hahahaah
Zahid: lol
Jillian: So don't you have to leave now?
Zahid: you manage me well
Zahid: no I’m here
Zahid: I will only go for ten minutes
Zahid: to get some thing for my eating
Zahid: may I bring something for you?
Zahid: lol
Jillian: hilarious
Zahid: hilarious?
Zahid: I don’t know this
Jillian: It's a word that means very funny
Jillian: In the context I used it, it was sarcasm
Zahid: ok I check in Dictionary
Zahid: ok
Zahid: ok I come after some time
Zahid: I will be online but not in my room
Zahid: ok
Jillian: yeah fine