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kafka.
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Posts: 3011 | June 13th, 2008 at 08:24pm ChemicallyImbalanced: My teacher told me today that people have more proof that Jesus existed than they do for Julius Ceaser.
I was curious, what proof do we have?
Three major historians mentioned Jesus in their work. I only remember Sallustius -and I hope I'm not mistaking, it was something with S nonetheless, I shall look it up.
The thing with Caesar is that he wrote a book -De Bello Gallico and almost finished an other one - De Bello Civili. Or at least we think he wrote them, there's not clear proof that he did. There are some rumours that he wrote poetry and stories too. All we know about what he did -except for the Gallic campaign and the civil war about those we think he wrote himself- and how he was we know from what others wrote about him.
Some people doubt Shakespear's or Homer's works.
Maybe people just like to doubt. |
Designer Dreams
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Posts: 1493 | June 15th, 2008 at 08:02am sueno?:ChemicallyImbalanced: My teacher told me today that people have more proof that Jesus existed than they do for Julius Ceaser.
I was curious, what proof do we have?
Three major historians mentioned Jesus in their work. I only remember Sallustius -and I hope I'm not mistaking, it was something with S nonetheless, I shall look it up.
The thing with Caesar is that he wrote a book -De Bello Gallico and almost finished an other one - De Bello Civili. Or at least we think he wrote them, there's not clear proof that he did. There are some rumours that he wrote poetry and stories too. All we know about what he did -except for the Gallic campaign and the civil war about those we think he wrote himself- and how he was we know from what others wrote about him.
Some people doubt Shakespear's or Homer's works.
Maybe people just like to doubt.
Sorry if someone already said this, but yes there is proof that a man named Jesus existed, there have actually been objects found that could have belonged to Jesus when one studies the history, and all that other stuff. The point of disagreement though is to whether the man named Jesus who existed was the "Savior" or not. Since, I am whole-heartedly an atheist, I believe that many many years ago a man named Jesus existed and he was a very kind, loving, who gave to/helped those around him. But, he was just that a man who did good, but was not apart of some divine ordinance (?).
Oh wow, I actually sound semi-intelligent. [/spam] |
x_00.07_x
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Posts: 1946 | June 15th, 2008 at 08:06am ^ There have been lots of people named Jesus. There was even another Jesus with Jesus Christ in the prison before the crucifixion
In Spain it is pronounced 'hay-zeus' and it's a very common name [/useless fact] |
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Posts: 7808 | June 15th, 2008 at 07:13pm I do believe there was a man named Jesus Christ. But that he was the son of God? No. The stories about Jesus were just hearsay past down for 65 years AFTER he was killed. It is very likely that the story changed over all those years, going from something like "Jesus was a man who helped people." To "Jesus is the son of God." |
kafka.
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Posts: 3011 | June 15th, 2008 at 09:20pm x_00.07_x:^ There have been lots of people named Jesus. There was even another Jesus with Jesus Christ in the prison before the crucifixion
In Spain it is pronounced 'hay-zeus' and it's a very common name [/useless fact]
I always thought it was popular -in Spain I mean- because of Jesus Christ. You learn something new every day.
For example Suetonius wrote On the Life of the Caesars almost 200 years after Julius Caesar died and the book is still one of the main sources of information about him.
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Pikachu
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Posts: 12075 | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:02pm |
Kurtni O'Hara
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Posts: 3417 | June 22nd, 2008 at 10:53pm Pikachu:
"9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt."
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Rust;
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Posts: 130 | June 23rd, 2008 at 12:45pm I don't believe in god, but I do believe in the supernatural and weird. So I do believe that something like that can happen. I just don't believe in gods and I hate religion.
I think of religion as a cult. ( if anyone get's affended by it...I didn't mean it) |
AmyPoptart
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Posts: 348 | June 24th, 2008 at 08:20am Sardonic Grin:I do believe there was a man named Jesus Christ. But that he was the son of God? No. The stories about Jesus were just hearsay past down for 65 years AFTER he was killed. It is very likely that the story changed over all those years, going from something like "Jesus was a man who helped people." To "Jesus is the son of God."
Yeah, there is so much evidence to say that there was a great man named Jesus around that time. Even the Koran mentions it, and many historians. It's just the son of God part, well, that's really down to faith I guess. And down to the individual, whether or not they believe it. |
ChemicallyImbalanced
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Posts: 10204 | June 24th, 2008 at 09:30am Rust;:So I do believe that something like that can happen.
Something like what can happen? |
Lyzzla
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Posts: 320 | June 27th, 2008 at 07:10am Rust;:I don't believe in god, but I do believe in the supernatural and weird. So I do believe that something like that can happen. I just don't believe in gods and I hate religion.
I think of religion as a cult. ( if anyone get's affended by it...I didn't mean it)
You did mean it. Say it and have some back bone. Religion is a cult. Period; end of discussion.
Honestly...I don't understand what the big deal even is that you believe in Jesus. I don't understand what the big deal is with faith anymore. I just don't get why this would be made such a big deal by God. |
kafka.
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Posts: 3011 | June 28th, 2008 at 02:04am Lyzzla:Rust;:I don't believe in god, but I do believe in the supernatural and weird. So I do believe that something like that can happen. I just don't believe in gods and I hate religion.
I think of religion as a cult. ( if anyone get's affended by it...I didn't mean it)
You did mean it. Say it and have some back bone. Religion is a cult. Period; end of discussion.
Honestly...I don't understand what the big deal even is that you believe in Jesus. I don't understand what the big deal is with faith anymore. I just don't get why this would be made such a big deal by God. Maybe the big deal with faith is that we're all going to die at some point.
And then we'll all see what faith was the correct one and we'll spend an eternity regretting that we didn't recognize it. |
Piccolo the Great
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Posts: 340 | June 29th, 2008 at 12:28am Lyzzla:Honestly...I don't understand what the big deal even is that you believe in Jesus. I don't understand what the big deal is with faith anymore. I just don't get why this would be made such a big deal by God.
It was made a big deal by people. It was made a deal by God.
It's just that, for me, God is the only way. I would be absolutely nowhere without Him. It's only when things get twisted by people that faith becomes somewhat of a taboo. People slowly started to get confused, misguided by some people's conception of "faith." And so some people either fight back with their own ideas, or they hide away altogether.
But if you stay to the real meaning of "faith"--to rely absolutely on God and the fact that, with Him, everything is always going to be good and fine--there will never be any conflict. I'm living proof of that, dudes. |
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Posts: 593 | June 29th, 2008 at 12:22pm Piccolo the Great:
But if you stay to the real meaning of "faith"--to rely absolutely on God and the fact that, with Him, everything is always going to be good and fine--there will never be any conflict. I'm living proof of that, dudes.[/font]
To you that is the true meaning of faith. It isn't for everybody, which is why there will probably always be conflict. My meaning of faith is feeling strongly about something or someone. I don't believe in any god, so of course my meaning of faith will be different to yours. |
HellsXAngel
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Posts: 1 | June 29th, 2008 at 05:16pm lyrical_mess:I have a question for the Christians here. It's not meant to sound sarcastic or mean or anything. A geniuine question.
The Bible says that the world was created in six days and everyone chilled out on the seventh day or something alone those lines. But those who believe in that, do you really cancel out logic? Do you forget about chemistry and physics, which have laws and proofs that state that it is impossible to create a planet in seven days? Is it taken as a metaphor is literally?
Though I'm not a Christian, I have a feeling that who ever wrote that bit down wasn't being literal.
Well I am no Christian but from what I've heard from other Christians is that a day in gods time was millions of years in our time.
Personally I don't believe in a god, but I respect those who do. I rely more on facts than faith. |
Piccolo the Great
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Posts: 340 | June 30th, 2008 at 12:31am HellsXAngel:lyrical_mess:I have a question for the Christians here. It's not meant to sound sarcastic or mean or anything. A geniuine question.
The Bible says that the world was created in six days and everyone chilled out on the seventh day or something alone those lines. But those who believe in that, do you really cancel out logic? Do you forget about chemistry and physics, which have laws and proofs that state that it is impossible to create a planet in seven days? Is it taken as a metaphor is literally?
Though I'm not a Christian, I have a feeling that who ever wrote that bit down wasn't being literal.
Well I am no Christian but from what I've heard from other Christians is that a day in gods time was millions of years in our time.
Personally I don't believe in a god, but I respect those who do. I rely more on facts than faith.
The story of Creation (at least in the Catholic faith) is taken symbolically. Who the heck knows if it really was 7 days or millions of years or whatever. Plus, I'd reckon that, with God, there is no such thing as time. The Creation written in the Bible is the kind of story that people, thousands of years ago, would have spun about the campfire. Of course, there are meanings in the symbolic stories like that, and reasonings, but they're not all taken literally.
The same goes with Adam and Eve.
So I, a Catholic, still believe that the planets and the Earth could have very well have been formed by chemical reactions in space. But I always fall back on the belief that it was God first who created these processes and allowed them to take place. |
Lyzzla
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Posts: 320 | June 30th, 2008 at 12:47am Piccolo the Great:Lyzzla:Honestly...I don't understand what the big deal even is that you believe in Jesus. I don't understand what the big deal is with faith anymore. I just don't get why this would be made such a big deal by God.
It was made a big deal by people. It was made a deal by God.
It's just that, for me, God is the only way. I would be absolutely nowhere without Him. It's only when things get twisted by people that faith becomes somewhat of a taboo. People slowly started to get confused, misguided by some people's conception of "faith." And so some people either fight back with their own ideas, or they hide away altogether.
But if you stay to the real meaning of "faith"--to rely absolutely on God and the fact that, with Him, everything is always going to be good and fine--there will never be any conflict. I'm living proof of that, dudes.
Duplicate. Sorry guys. |
Lyzzla
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Posts: 320 | June 30th, 2008 at 02:51pm Lyzzla:Piccolo the Great:Honestly...I don't understand what the big deal even is that you believe in Jesus. I don't understand what the big deal is with faith anymore. I just don't get why this would be made such a big deal by God.
It was made a big deal by people. It was made a deal by God.
It's just that, for me, God is the only way. I would be absolutely nowhere without Him. It's only when things get twisted by people that faith becomes somewhat of a taboo. People slowly started to get confused, misguided by some people's conception of "faith." And so some people either fight back with their own ideas, or they hide away altogether.
But if you stay to the real meaning of "faith"--to rely absolutely on God and the fact that, with Him, everything is always going to be good and fine--there will never be any conflict. I'm living proof of that, dudes.
So why is it a big deal? I didn't ask who made it a big deal. I know exactly who made it the big deal. But what's so damn important that we have to believe in Jesus dying on the cross and God in general? Don't you think the man would at least give us some logic as to why we should believe in him besides heaven. Following blindly is great and all...but to an extent. Initiative is one thing, but the reasoning behind his rule would be even better. Maybe if I found one religion with reasoning behind the ruling that made some sense and didn't travel in circles, I might follow it. All I get is this "thou shall not question" crap, and I'm pretty sure we were made to do that (made as in physically created. Not forced). |
kafka.
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Posts: 3011 | June 30th, 2008 at 06:50pm Lyzzla:Lyzzla:Piccolo the Great:Honestly...I don't understand what the big deal even is that you believe in Jesus. I don't understand what the big deal is with faith anymore. I just don't get why this would be made such a big deal by God.
It was made a big deal by people. It was made a deal by God.
It's just that, for me, God is the only way. I would be absolutely nowhere without Him. It's only when things get twisted by people that faith becomes somewhat of a taboo. People slowly started to get confused, misguided by some people's conception of "faith." And so some people either fight back with their own ideas, or they hide away altogether.
But if you stay to the real meaning of "faith"--to rely absolutely on God and the fact that, with Him, everything is always going to be good and fine--there will never be any conflict. I'm living proof of that, dudes.
So why is it a big deal? I didn't ask who made it a big deal. I know exactly who made it the big deal. But what's so damn important that we have to believe in Jesus dying on the cross and God in general? Don't you think the man would at least give us some logic as to why we should believe in him besides heaven. Following blindly is great and all...but to an extent. Initiative is one thing, but the reasoning behind his rule would be even better. Maybe if I found one religion with reasoning behind the ruling that made some sense and didn't travel in circles, I might follow it. All I get is this "thou shall not question" crap, and I'm pretty sure we were made to do that (made as in physically created. Not forced).
Some people think that the origin of their life, and life in general is a damn important thing.
God is the explication of that origin.
And I'm sorry for if you think that all religions consists just of following blindly something or someone. Because it's really not. I don't know where you've asked, who or what, but I suggest asking someone more accredited, a minister of some sort or someone with some theology studies.
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d'ash
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Posts: 12140 | June 30th, 2008 at 07:22pm
Whether God exists or not gives man's existance reason or not. 
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