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Eponine
Writer's Block
Age: 16
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Posts: 58 | July 25th, 2008 at 08:00am Scarecrow Angel:
The only common beliefs of the religion are the very basic ones- that there is a God and a Jesus, etc. Beyond that the common beliefs of Christianity can only be the beliefs common to the people -or, in the case of Catholicism and other organised denominations, those decreed by the Church. The religion isn't ultimately fixed- it adapts like any other social meme.
Alright, I agree with that. I'm confused. I don't think Christianity is as hateful and unforgiving as a lot of people seem to think. |
Scarecrow Angel
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Posts: 351 | July 25th, 2008 at 08:06am Eponine:Scarecrow Angel:
The only common beliefs of the religion are the very basic ones- that there is a God and a Jesus, etc. Beyond that the common beliefs of Christianity can only be the beliefs common to the people -or, in the case of Catholicism and other organised denominations, those decreed by the Church. The religion isn't ultimately fixed- it adapts like any other social meme.
Alright, I agree with that. I'm confused. I don't think Christianity is as hateful and unforgiving as a lot of people seem to think.
Anyone can be Christian. Unless they wish to subscribe to a particular denomination, there is no criteria for belief beyond the basic acceptance of Jesus. The experience is totally subjective. Even though some values may be common, that doesn't mean they are necessarily ultimate.
Similarly, the opinion that outsiders have will vary greatly. Everyone who meets a different Christian will get a different impression of Christianity.
But I agree, I don't think the majority of Christians hold much sway with being hateful. Most of them seem to base their faith on the opposite. |
Mrs.Bellamy
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Gender: Female
Posts: 237 | July 25th, 2008 at 05:27pm Eponine:Mrs.Bellamy:Christians don't all believe the exact same thing, but the religion itself says that people who do not believe in God, and follow his rules, etc etc will be sent to hell.
But that's not what the religion itself says, it's what the people say, that's different.
Christianity is about associating with the common beliefs of that religion, but I don't think that what most people view as the beliefs of Christianity are the actual beliefs. If that makes sense?
Uh... no, it is. I'm pretty sure the Bible says that and most of Christianity is based around the Bible.
As I said before, not all Christians believe the same thing, but if you generalize what most of them believe, then that is where my original argument of the 'Christian God' came from.
I'm not sure what that second part you said means... Christianity is one of the most popular religions in the world. What they believe is no secret. And I personally was raised to be a Christian so I know a lot about the religion. I don't think the world has Christianity all wrong, because that seems to be what you're saying. Like I said, it's not some big secret.
And for the record... I never claimed Christians to be hateful. Nor the God they believe in. I simply said that in my eyes their religion and the way they see him was unjust. Just my interpretation and my beliefs of what is fair. Nothing in that about any kind of hate. |
Eponine
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Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 58 | July 25th, 2008 at 08:22pm Mrs.Bellamy:
Uh... no, it is. I'm pretty sure the Bible says that and most of Christianity is based around the Bible.
As I said before, not all Christians believe the same thing, but if you generalize what most of them believe, then that is where my original argument of the 'Christian God' came from.
I'm a little lost, what is it that the bible says?
I understand that, I don't think it's fair to generalize, or to say that that is what most of them believe.
QuoteI'm not sure what that second part you said means... Christianity is one of the most popular religions in the world. What they believe is no secret. And I personally was raised to be a Christian so I know a lot about the religion. I don't think the world has Christianity all wrong, because that seems to be what you're saying. Like I said, it's not some big secret.
I'm talking about when people say, Christianity damns everyone who is different than them. As a whole we may think they are in the wrong, but we still think that they will be forgiven by God.
QuoteAnd for the record... I never claimed Christians to be hateful. Nor the God they believe in. I simply said that in my eyes their religion and the way they see him was unjust. Just my interpretation and my beliefs of what is fair. Nothing in that about any kind of hate.
Never said you did, a lot of people seem to though. You are saying that it's unjust and I don't think that's fair to judge all of Christianity like that. |
Scarecrow Angel
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Posts: 351 | July 26th, 2008 at 01:02am Mrs.Bellamy:And for the record... I never claimed Christians to be hateful. Nor the God they believe in. I simply said that in my eyes their religion and the way they see him was unjust. Just my interpretation and my beliefs of what is fair. Nothing in that about any kind of hate.
And most of them aren't. There is certainly nothing solid in the Bible to say that they should be. But that hasn't stopped different groups at various times from interpreting what is in the Bible to mean that they should be hateful towards other religions.
You say that Christianity is based on the Bible, and I would agree with you there, but the simple fact is that not everybody interprets that vague text in the same way. This is why I say that there are some basic points of Christianity (acceptance of Jesus, etc), while the rest vary greatly and therefore are difficult to generalise.
Catholics are Christians. So are Anglicans and Baptists -orthodox and literal- and people who belong to no Church.
Eponine:I'm talking about when people say, Christianity damns everyone who is different than them. As a whole we may think they are in the wrong, but we still think that they will be forgiven by God.
That can still be a Christian belief, even if it is not the main one. It isn't a universally Christian belief, as the majority of Christians would disagree with it, but at times it has been a vital feature of sects of Christianity.
Eponine:Never said you did, a lot of people seem to though. You are saying that it's unjust and I don't think that's fair to judge all of Christianity like that.
Of course not. Christianity is a very broad concept, it isn't a specific, defined belief like Catholicism, Anglicism or any of the Churches that dwell inside it. Christianity is an umbrella term that covers them all, and to paint all several billion people with the same brush would only leave you prejudiced. |
jacky jules.
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 1302 | July 26th, 2008 at 04:07am I don't believe in a God, but that is just me. |
Tim Minchin.
Amateur Author
Age: 15
Gender: Male
Posts: 132 | July 26th, 2008 at 07:32pm Valo Ink.:I don't believe in a God, but that is just me.
Would you mind elaborating on that?  |
clouds and cities
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 1144 | July 28th, 2008 at 08:12pm I don't believe in God. At all.
But, whatever. Just my beliefs. |
domsa.
Writer's Block
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Posts: 15 | July 30th, 2008 at 10:13am Well, I do Believe in God.... Why? It's not only that you need to see just to believe in something,. Sometimes you need to feel it. It's like if I ask if you, "Do you have a brain?", probably, you would answer a big YES! Well, how do you think would I believe if I haven't seen your brain yet. See the Logic? |
geemae
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Age: 22
Gender: Female
Posts: 6 | July 31st, 2008 at 06:02pm i am a Catholic, a Christian.
i always have believed in God, it's the faith i have in me.
and when you have it, you don't ask too many questions about its concerns, like is it real or where did it come from.
you know it is there, that it exists though you cannot see it, that you know its presence in your mind is enough.
it's the faith that lives on.
so how do you have faith? believe.
how do you believe? choose.
how do you choose? learn.
it does not hurt to try. it might even change your life forever.
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Arrjay:'
Writer's Block
Age: 14
Gender: Male
Posts: 27 | August 1st, 2008 at 09:29pm Faith in God has so many flaws, first line of the bible for instance 'In the beginning, there was god.' Now I don't know about you, but God already seems pretty fake to me, no explanation at all of how he is there or anything. |
Sheepy
Wordsmith
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Posts: 10523 | August 2nd, 2008 at 12:55am ^I think the general christian belief is that he didn't get there. He's just...always been.
And personally, I think faith is just your own belief. And your own belief is only flawed when seen through the eyes of someone else. |
Evanescent Dasha
Ink Slinger
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Posts: 895 | August 2nd, 2008 at 04:12am I believe in god
He is as real as the ground I walk on to me.
I don't believe in everything the bible because somethings are ridiculous,
But the idea of god and heaven... I believe that exists |
Piccolo the Great
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 340 | August 2nd, 2008 at 04:56am Sheepy:^I think the general christian belief is that he didn't get there. He's just...always been. That's correct. In the Christian faith, God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. He's always been there. He's just always been.
The thought is extremely overwhelming, but it's also fantastic. |
kafka.
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Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3011 | August 2nd, 2008 at 10:04am God is atemporal, He ''lives'' in more dimensions than we do. If He didn't He wouldn't have been able to create the world.
For Him there's no starting point as there is for us, He has been ''around'' since before time existed. |
Arrjay:'
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Age: 14
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Posts: 27 | August 2nd, 2008 at 11:59am Which is basically impossible... For something to exist, It has to be created. e.g. You can't say 'I want a cake' and it will magically appear infront of you. |
kafka.
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Posts: 3011 | August 2nd, 2008 at 04:11pm Thatweirdguywhosucks:Which is basically impossible... For something to exist, It has to be created. e.g. You can't say 'I want a cake' and it will magically appear infront of you. 
No it's not.
God is self-existing. |
ZoeePea
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Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 1867 | August 3rd, 2008 at 04:51pm I don't think I believe in God.
I believe it's all more than I will ever understand.
The creation of the world and people, but I'd like to think there's someone watching and protecting us. |
Kurtni O'Hara
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Age: 16
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Posts: 3417 | August 4th, 2008 at 06:26am dark.:God is atemporal, He ''lives'' in more dimensions than we do. If He didn't He wouldn't have been able to create the world.
For Him there's no starting point as there is for us, He has been ''around'' since before time existed.
You say that very matter-of-factly, how are you so sure? |
kafka.
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Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3011 | August 4th, 2008 at 06:18pm Kurtni Ramone:dark.:God is atemporal, He ''lives'' in more dimensions than we do. If He didn't He wouldn't have been able to create the world.
For Him there's no starting point as there is for us, He has been ''around'' since before time existed.
You say that very matter-of-factly, how are you so sure? Because God is defined as atemporal and self-existing.
If some sort of higher being is not atemporal and self-existing, then it's not God.
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