GOD. REAL OR FAKE.

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Kurtni O'Hara Database Error Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3417	August 4th, 2008 at 06:32pm dark.: Because God is defined as atemporal and self-existing. If some sort of higher being is not atemporal and self-existing, then it's not God. Where is your definition of god coming from?
Skrillex. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 1172	August 5th, 2008 at 12:45am I don't believe in God. I mean, how do we know for sure? How did we even get the idea of God? Did someone make him up? Theres a lot of questions to be asked, or I have to ask at least, but I just believe there is no god.
clouds and cities Fanfic Fanatic Age: 14 Gender: Female Posts: 1144	August 5th, 2008 at 08:03am If God created everything, where did he come from? You can't get something from nothing. He had to arise in some way...
ZooZoo Magee Fanfic Fanatic Age: 18 Gender: Female Posts: 2356	August 5th, 2008 at 09:11am Fluff;: If God created everything, where did he come from? You can't get something from nothing. He had to arise in some way... His Heavenly Father.
Arrjay:' Writer's Block Age: 14 Gender: Male Posts: 27	August 5th, 2008 at 02:52pm skrillex.: I don't believe in God. I mean, how do we know for sure? How did we even get the idea of God? Did someone make him up? Theres a lot of questions to be asked, or I have to ask at least, but I just believe there is no god. Jesus started christianity by telling made up stories about God and people belived him and he gained alot of loal followers, and it built up through time. Voila Christianity is a world wide religion =) So yea, from my point of view, God is fake.
kafka. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3011	August 5th, 2008 at 04:35pm Kurtni Ramone: dark.: Because God is defined as atemporal and self-existing. If some sort of higher being is not atemporal and self-existing, then it's not God. Where is your definition of god coming from? The Bible since we were discussing the ''Christian'' God. I'm not denying that God in other religions might be self-existent too -actually I believe I remember something Aristotle said about it, well whatever- I'm just more acquainted with Christian teachings. Where does your definition of God come from?
kafka. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3011	August 5th, 2008 at 04:41pm skrillex.: I don't believe in God. I mean, how do we know for sure? How did we even get the idea of God? Did someone make him up? Theres a lot of questions to be asked, or I have to ask at least, but I just believe there is no god. God has somehow always been at the back of people's minds, well not the Christian god surely, but pagan gods. Humanity discovered religion in its early stages of development. I've read about this theory about the sacred and prophane space regarding myths, about how myths and religion are part of our mass memory dating back to prehistoric times. It's rather interesting, unfortunately I'm lousy at explaining it. The man who formed the theory was Mircea Eliade, he was a history of religions teacher in University of Chicago for a while I think, maybe you could find some of his books. He wrote a huge antology of history of beliefs - the first one of this kind, the essay in which he debates myths and the scared space is called The Scared and the Prophane. His fiction works are wonderful to read too. Oh I hope I'm not too off topic now.
Kurtni O'Hara Database Error Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3417	August 5th, 2008 at 05:45pm dark.: The Bible since we were discussing the ''Christian'' God. I'm not denying that God in other religions might be self-existent too -actually I believe I remember something Aristotle said about it, well whatever- I'm just more acquainted with Christian teachings. Where does your definition of God come from? What bible verses are you basing that on? And I'm not speaking about the Christian god, but God in general, because many religions would disagree with that definition. My definition of god? A made of entity used to manipulate people. Where does it come from? Humanity.
kafka. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3011	August 5th, 2008 at 07:38pm Kurtni Ramone: dark.: The Bible since we were discussing the ''Christian'' God. I'm not denying that God in other religions might be self-existent too -actually I believe I remember something Aristotle said about it, well whatever- I'm just more acquainted with Christian teachings. Where does your definition of God come from? What bible verses are you basing that on? And I'm not speaking about the Christian god, but God in general, because many religions would disagree with that definition. My definition of god? A made of entity used to manipulate people. Where does it come from? Humanity. Humanity ''told'' you that definition? God's self-existence is mentioned in Exodus 3: 14, when God says to Moses I am Who I am, sum qui sum. It's a rather debated and interesting verse. I would be happy to prove my point with verses from the Koran for example, but unfortunately I don't venture to quote the Koran. Or any other religious text apart from a few Christian ones, I'm young and foolish and I certainly don't want to misinterpret something. While I believe there is a universal God, I also believe He has more ''colors'', more nuances, every religion has its own way of worshiping and understanding God. That's why we have different religions. Different relgions that have many things in common, but different religions.
Kurtni O'Hara Database Error Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3417	August 5th, 2008 at 11:39pm dark.: Humanity ''told'' you that definition? God's self-existence is mentioned in Exodus 3: 14, when God says to Moses I am Who I am, sum qui sum. It's a rather debated and interesting verse. I would be happy to prove my point with verses from the Koran for example, but unfortunately I don't venture to quote the Koran. Or any other religious text apart from a few Christian ones, I'm young and foolish and I certainly don't want to misinterpret something. While I believe there is a universal God, I also believe He has more ''colors'', more nuances, every religion has its own way of worshiping and understanding God. That's why we have different religions. Different relgions that have many things in common, but different religions. Now, humanity showed me that definition. And I don't see how that proves anything you were claiming. And there are religions, such as ancient Greek mythology that didn't believe Gods were self existent, modern religions today like Santería don't believe their gods are immortal, let alone self existent. How do you know they're wrong?
kafka. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3011	August 5th, 2008 at 11:55pm Kurtni Ramone: dark.: Humanity ''told'' you that definition? God's self-existence is mentioned in Exodus 3: 14, when God says to Moses I am Who I am, sum qui sum. It's a rather debated and interesting verse. I would be happy to prove my point with verses from the Koran for example, but unfortunately I don't venture to quote the Koran. Or any other religious text apart from a few Christian ones, I'm young and foolish and I certainly don't want to misinterpret something. While I believe there is a universal God, I also believe He has more ''colors'', more nuances, every religion has its own way of worshiping and understanding God. That's why we have different religions. Different relgions that have many things in common, but different religions. Now, humanity showed me that definition. And I don't see how that proves anything you were claiming. And there are religions, such as ancient Greek mythology that didn't believe Gods were self existent, modern religions today like Santería don't believe their gods are immortal, let alone self existent. How do you know they're wrong? Well, as you suggested you said that we we're discussing a universal God, it only seems fairly reasonable to assume that the general God is the ''supreme'' God, the Creator. Now if we look at the Greek mythology for example, they did not have a Creator-God, thus a self-existing god, in Greek mythology, at first there was chaos, in which death and darkness dwelled, then Love puts order in the world. It's a lovely way of putting it, since in Christianity God is both Love and Light. You said we were discussing God in general, not a god or gods. But I'm starting to think that I might have misinterpred that, what exactly did you meant by ''God in general''. I'm not saying they're wrong, they're just different.
Kurtni O'Hara Database Error Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3417	August 6th, 2008 at 12:01am dark.: You said we were discussing God in general, not a god or gods. But I'm starting to think that I might have misinterpred that, what exactly did you meant by ''God in general''. God in general, as in if God were to exist, what actually exists, not necessarily what specific religious believe. You said he was self existent and I just don't see how you could possibly know that.
Geesecks. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 22 Gender: Female Posts: 3004	August 6th, 2008 at 04:18am I don't see why people find it necessary to argue with people that say anything about believing in God. It's their right, no? Yes, you have the right to ask questions, and to debate if you feel like it. But it's almost as if most of the time people are trying to degrade those that believe in Him, when you wouldn't want the same treatment about your disbelief, so why not just let them believe without all your comments? As far as the not being able to prove God exists; you can't prove that He doesn't, so why not just let it be. When people believe in God it's really something personal, and something very very touchy, so it should be respected and not questioned. If you feel the need to question it, don't do it in a know-it-all way, because really, you're just making it seem like you're trying to be condescending, which you should realize isn't appreciated.
kafka. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3011	August 6th, 2008 at 12:50pm Kurtni Ramone: dark.: You said we were discussing God in general, not a god or gods. But I'm starting to think that I might have misinterpred that, what exactly did you meant by ''God in general''. God in general, as in if God were to exist, what actually exists, not necessarily what specific religious believe. You said he was self existent and I just don't see how you could possibly know that. How can you possibly know that God does not exist and that He is not self-existent?
Kurtni O'Hara Database Error Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3417	August 6th, 2008 at 05:57pm dark.: How can you possibly know that God does not exist and that He is not self-existent? I can't, but seeing as how there is no proof or reason to believe god does exist, I'd say logic is on my side.
Geesecks. Fanfic Fanatic Age: 22 Gender: Female Posts: 3004	August 7th, 2008 at 01:19am Kurtni Ramone: dark.: How can you possibly know that God does not exist and that He is not self-existent? I can't, but seeing as how there is no proof or reason to believe god does exist, I'd say logic is on my side. There's no proof that He doesn't, either.
Arrjay:' Writer's Block Age: 14 Gender: Male Posts: 27	August 7th, 2008 at 12:21pm Geesecks.: Kurtni Ramone: dark.: How can you possibly know that God does not exist and that He is not self-existent? I can't, but seeing as how there is no proof or reason to believe god does exist, I'd say logic is on my side. There's no proof that He doesn't, either. Void statement. The debate about God being real or fake has been going on for years, it'll pobably never stop since people are stubborn and won't admit to god being real or fake. It's a even debate some people belive in evolution because it makes more sense, others belive in god fo comforting and forgiveness for their sins. Neither one can be proven wrong or right so you'll all have to get over that one day.
Downpour. Cliché Catastrophe Age: 13 Gender: Female Posts: 422	August 7th, 2008 at 04:02pm ^ Personally, I don't believe in God. But you're right... there's no proff whether God does exist... or whether God doesn't exist.
Kurtni O'Hara Database Error Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 3417	August 7th, 2008 at 06:45pm Geesecks.: There's no proof that He doesn't, either. There is proof that the god of certain religions cannot exist. The world was not formed in seven days, there is evidence to support evolution, not creationism, etc. At any rate- whats your point? You don't have any proof that there isn't a magical elf dancing in my closet.... so should we all believe there is? No, that would be senseless. It makes no sense to believe in things without evidence. We don't in any other aspect of life, I fail to see how religion is any different.
penis-chan Writer's Block Age: 15 Gender: Female Posts: 36	August 7th, 2008 at 11:01pm I dont believe in any type of god B/

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This thread is very, very broad. I'm sure many regular posters have noticed that we're discussing something different on every page it seems, and our discussions are rarely about if God exists. So, we're going to lock this thread, and replace it with new threads you guys can make that are more specific and will allow for more organized discussions. We have an entire forum for religion for a reason. =]

Before you go making new threads, here are some topics that commonly get discussed in this thread that we actually already have threads for:
Heaven and Hell
The Bible: Is it valid?
Religion and Morality

If I make some suggestions, making threads about specific religions would be a good idea, as opposed to what we were doing in here, discussing them all at once.

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