GOD. REAL OR FAKE.

I have a question for the Christians here. It's not meant to sound sarcastic or mean or anything. A geniuine question.

The Bible says that the world was created in six days and everyone chilled out on the seventh day or something alone those lines. But those who believe in that, do you really cancel out logic? Do you forget about chemistry and physics, which have laws and proofs that state that it is impossible to create a planet in seven days? Is it taken as a metaphor is literally?

Though I'm not a Christian, I have a feeling that who ever wrote that bit down wasn't being literal.

lyrical_mess:

I have a question for the Christians here. It's not meant to sound sarcastic or mean or anything. A geniuine question.

The Bible says that the world was created in six days and everyone chilled out on the seventh day or something alone those lines. But those who believe in that, do you really cancel out logic? Do you forget about chemistry and physics, which have laws and proofs that state that it is impossible to create a planet in seven days? Is it taken as a metaphor is literally?

Though I'm not a Christian, I have a feeling that who ever wrote that bit down wasn't being literal.

Ok. Being a Christian you have to cancel out most beliefs of science. Evolution ect. We believe that with God, all things are possible so he can make a planet in 6 days. He can make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights. He can help his son feed thousands of people with merely 7 loaves of bread and a few pieces of fish. There is no way that the laws of physics and chemistry can apply because God doesn't have to abide by rules. He can do anything. We can never know if this was meant to be taken figuratively or literally. Can we can do is make educated guesses. How do we know that 6 days inst 6 years in God time? We don't. But I personally believe in it to be literal.

Did that answer you question alright?

lyrical_mess:

I have a question for the Christians here. It's not meant to sound sarcastic or mean or anything. A geniuine question.

The Bible says that the world was created in six days and everyone chilled out on the seventh day or something alone those lines. But those who believe in that, do you really cancel out logic? Do you forget about chemistry and physics, which have laws and proofs that state that it is impossible to create a planet in seven days? Is it taken as a metaphor is literally?

Though I'm not a Christian, I have a feeling that who ever wrote that bit down wasn't being literal.

The people I know take it to be a metaphor. They don't think its real.
Some Christians believe both. They think one of God's days could be millions of years, which would explain the order of things. You know, first there was a planet, then there were animals, then humans...
Its just another theory, of course, but it combines both science and religion.

Roxie is Mah Name:

Darwinism is evolutionary. If you study genisis, there are things there that disproves the theory.

Genesis disproves Darwin?
...

How?

(To some people this may be offensive, know that it is NOT ment to be in any way I'm just trying to state my fact.)
(this is taken directly from Genisis 1:20-23 the bold is put in by me to emphasize)

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

So In Evolution things evolve into other things. We as humans are said to of come from apes. Right in Genisis 1 it states that everything was created according to its own kind.

***** (note I said the parentheses wrong!)

(To some people this may be offensive, know that it is NOT ment to be in any way I'm just trying to state my fact. )

(gah sorry I tried to fix my parenthesis and screwed up because I can't delete posts. >.< Sorry for spamming)

Tas; Chemical Love.:

lyrical_mess:

I have a question for the Christians here. It's not meant to sound sarcastic or mean or anything. A geniuine question.

The Bible says that the world was created in six days and everyone chilled out on the seventh day or something alone those lines. But those who believe in that, do you really cancel out logic? Do you forget about chemistry and physics, which have laws and proofs that state that it is impossible to create a planet in seven days? Is it taken as a metaphor is literally?

Though I'm not a Christian, I have a feeling that who ever wrote that bit down wasn't being literal.

Ok. Being a Christian you have to cancel out most beliefs of science. Evolution ect. We believe that with God, all things are possible so he can make a planet in 6 days. He can make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights. He can help his son feed thousands of people with merely 7 loaves of bread and a few pieces of fish. There is no way that the laws of physics and chemistry can apply because God doesn't have to abide by rules. He can do anything. We can never know if this was meant to be taken figuratively or literally. Can we can do is make educated guesses. How do we know that 6 days inst 6 years in God time? We don't. But I personally believe in it to be literal.

Did that answer you question alright?

K, thanks. And thanks to the other person who answered my question too.

But I really love the story of Noah's Ark. I used to go to a Catholic school in kindergarten but I will never forget that story. Because in Hindu mythology, there is a mention of a flood. These demons come out and decide to be a pain in everyone's ass and the world gets submerged in a cosmic ocean. Vishnu comes in the form of a boar and uses his tusks to get the world out of it.

Two significant religions - the oldest and the newest - both mention a great flood. A flood of that size would actually affest the earth's rotation by a few hours. The first man to calculate the earth's rotation was off by a few hours. Perhaps the flood really happened. It's very very possible.

Roxie is Mah Name:

(gah sorry I tried to fix my parenthesis and screwed up because I can't delete posts. >.< Sorry for spamming)

You can press the report button and a mod will delete your post for you.
Its what its there for.

Bloodraine:

lyrical_mess:

I have a question for the Christians here. It's not meant to sound sarcastic or mean or anything. A geniuine question.

The Bible says that the world was created in six days and everyone chilled out on the seventh day or something alone those lines. But those who believe in that, do you really cancel out logic? Do you forget about chemistry and physics, which have laws and proofs that state that it is impossible to create a planet in seven days? Is it taken as a metaphor is literally?

Though I'm not a Christian, I have a feeling that who ever wrote that bit down wasn't being literal.

The people I know take it to be a metaphor. They don't think its real.
Some Christians believe both. They think one of God's days could be millions of years, which would explain the order of things. You know, first there was a planet, then there were animals, then humans...
Its just another theory, of course, but it combines both science and religion.

That makes more sense than any other explanation. If one day for God is several million years, then several million years x 7 is how long it took to create the Earth.

I think he does, but that's my opinion <3

Okay, first off, evolution isn't nessesarily anti-christian. Though, I'm not Christian, I just want to let you all know.

Evolution means change over time.

Lets take humans for an example. At one time they migrated from place to place for the knew nothing of farming or hunting, and then after thousands of years, they learned how to farm and hunt, which allowed them to stay in one play and build giant cities.

thus, change over time.

I hate it when people tell me God has a plan.
Is that why my mother was sexually molested by her father?
Is that why my fiance is afraid to come out to her parents?
Is that why I've been sexually harassed?
Is that why people are dying in Iraq?

God's plan sucks.

I believe there is a higher power of some sorts- whether it be God, Gods, etc etc. Hell, for all we know, three goddess decended from the heavens and formed this planet (cookie for whoever got that reference).

However the Bible? A group of stories to explain the then unexplainable. Re-read the bible, like really read it. Some of the passages you can explain easily now. Think about it, someone saw lightening for the first time, they couldn't explain it, so they said it was a God that was angry. Crops burned to the ground, why? Because God was pissed at you. You are King of England. Why? because God has chosen you. The Bible was there to control people or to lead people into the right direction. No one will ever know what the true bible stated because it has been 1. Translated so many times by people with their own ideals. and 2. King James even admitted to translating his own version of the Bible and had taken out passages, and added to the Bible to fit his own needs. Hell the Bible was written by hearsay! The whole story of Jesus wasn't written until sixty years after the death of Jesus. Ever play telephone? I am not saying that the whole aspect of Relgion is nothing but a load of shit or trying to step on peoples ideals, but it is just something to mention. Alot of people take the bible too seriously and use it to hate people and cause wars. The Crusades. Slavery. Homophobia. Anti- Women Rights. Murder. Are all justified by the bible if you manipulate it properly. Hell, there is even a passage promoting INCEST.

I thought the Bible forbade incest. I'm pretty sure all religions do. As do most governments.

druscilla; in love:

I hate it when people tell me God has a plan.
Is that why my mother was sexually molested by her father?
Is that why my fiance is afraid to come out to her parents?
Is that why I've been sexually harassed?
Is that why people are dying in Iraq?

God's plan sucks.

I have a problem with God`s plans too. We studied Noah in Religion class and it said that God can stop people from totally destroying Earth and themselves. So why doesn't he? I believe that its not God`s fault that the world is like you mentioned and we cant all expect God to come and rescue us all. I guess it all depends on do you believe he could actually do that. Death is an issue to me. My classmate died at the age of 13 and he was the nicest kids ever. He died of meningitis. If I was his mother no one would ever make me feel better saying that his death was God`s plan.

Fer Suuure Jenni:

I believe there is a higher power of some sorts- whether it be God, Gods, etc etc. Hell, for all we know, three goddess decended from the heavens and formed this planet (cookie for whoever got that reference).

However the Bible? A group of stories to explain the then unexplainable. Re-read the bible, like really read it. Some of the passages you can explain easily now. Think about it, someone saw lightening for the first time, they couldn't explain it, so they said it was a God that was angry. Crops burned to the ground, why? Because God was pissed at you. You are King of England. Why? because God has chosen you. The Bible was there to control people or to lead people into the right direction. No one will ever know what the true bible stated because it has been 1. Translated so many times by people with their own ideals. and 2. King James even admitted to translating his own version of the Bible and had taken out passages, and added to the Bible to fit his own needs. Hell the Bible was written by hearsay! The whole story of Jesus wasn't written until sixty years after the death of Jesus. Ever play telephone? I am not saying that the whole aspect of Relgion is nothing but a load of shit or trying to step on peoples ideals, but it is just something to mention. Alot of people take the bible too seriously and use it to hate people and cause wars. The Crusades. Slavery. Homophobia. Anti- Women Rights. Murder. Are all justified by the bible if you manipulate it properly. Hell, there is even a passage promoting INCEST.

Dude, you just made a whole post making x amount of claims and never backed them up.
Like the 60 years thing. Proof?
Bible references for all those passages you claim promote murder and incest?
Proof that the crusades was all the bible's fault?

Plus King James didn't translate the Bible himself. He actually had barely any part in that. Its just called King James 'cause he comissioned it. And there are different editions of the Bible, I don't see why the KJV is such a biig fuckin' deal o_o
I mean, christ, I'm English and I've never even seen a copy of that bible that my ex-king once comissioned. Like, 400 years before I was born, but whatever.

druscilla; in love:

I hate it when people tell me God has a plan.
Is that why my mother was sexually molested by her father?
Is that why my fiance is afraid to come out to her parents?
Is that why I've been sexually harassed?
Is that why people are dying in Iraq?

God's plan sucks.

Maybe God wants to test us.

lyrical_mess:

I thought the Bible forbade incest. I'm pretty sure all religions do. As do most governments.

Leviticus, Chapter 20, Verse 17 if you're interested XDD
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Leviticus.html

Bloodraine:

Fer Suuure Jenni:

I believe there is a higher power of some sorts- whether it be God, Gods, etc etc. Hell, for all we know, three goddess decended from the heavens and formed this planet (cookie for whoever got that reference).

However the Bible? A group of stories to explain the then unexplainable. Re-read the bible, like really read it. Some of the passages you can explain easily now. Think about it, someone saw lightening for the first time, they couldn't explain it, so they said it was a God that was angry. Crops burned to the ground, why? Because God was pissed at you. You are King of England. Why? because God has chosen you. The Bible was there to control people or to lead people into the right direction. No one will ever know what the true bible stated because it has been 1. Translated so many times by people with their own ideals. and 2. King James even admitted to translating his own version of the Bible and had taken out passages, and added to the Bible to fit his own needs. Hell the Bible was written by hearsay! The whole story of Jesus wasn't written until sixty years after the death of Jesus. Ever play telephone? I am not saying that the whole aspect of Relgion is nothing but a load of shit or trying to step on peoples ideals, but it is just something to mention. Alot of people take the bible too seriously and use it to hate people and cause wars. The Crusades. Slavery. Homophobia. Anti- Women Rights. Murder. Are all justified by the bible if you manipulate it properly. Hell, there is even a passage promoting INCEST.

Dude, you just made a whole post making x amount of claims and never backed them up.
Like the 60 years thing. Proof?
Bible references for all those passages you claim promote murder and incest?
Proof that the crusades was all the bible's fault?

Plus King James didn't translate the Bible himself. He actually had barely any part in that. Its just called King James 'cause he comissioned it. And there are different editions of the Bible, I don't see why the KJV is such a biig fuckin' deal o_o
I mean, christ, I'm English and I've never even seen a copy of that bible that my ex-king once comissioned. Like, 400 years before I was born, but whatever.

Here are the dates, estimated but backed up by the Catholic Church.
Mark: c. 50s to early 60s, or late 60s
Matthew: c. 50 to 70s
Luke: c. 59 to 63, or 70s to 80s
John: c. 85 to near 100, or 50s to 70

And clearly you didn't read what I said properly. I said "The Crusades. Slavery. Homophobia. Anti- Women Rights. Murder.Are all justified by the bible if you manipulate it properly.

Though i will admit King James didn't have that much involvment in the translation of the bible, doesn't mean that others didn't take the original Bible and ripped it to shreds. PLease, humans are not pure or innocent enough to keep their own ideals out of a Scared book.

As for incest. You all know the story of Sodom that was destroyed by God because of the immense sin. Well he spared Lot, and his family, because they were the only rightous people who lived there. His wife, sadly, was turned into a pillar of salt because she turned back to the city as the fled. After brought to safety...Lot's daughters thought up a master plan.

31. And the elder said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man on earth to come upon us, as is the custom of all the earth.
32. Come, let us give our father wine to drink, and let us lie with him, and let us bring to life seed from our father."
33. And they gave their father wine to drink on that night, and the elder came and lay with her father, and he did not know of her lying down or of her rising up.
34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the elder said to the younger, "Behold, last night I lay with my father. Let us give him wine to drink tonight too, and come, lie with him, and let us bring to life seed from our father."
35. So they gave their father to drink on that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know of her lying down or of her rising up.
36. And Lot's two daughters conceived from their father

This story can be found in Gensis.

Fer Suuure Jenni:

Bloodraine:

Fer Suuure Jenni:

I believe there is a higher power of some sorts- whether it be God, Gods, etc etc. Hell, for all we know, three goddess decended from the heavens and formed this planet (cookie for whoever got that reference).

However the Bible? A group of stories to explain the then unexplainable. Re-read the bible, like really read it. Some of the passages you can explain easily now. Think about it, someone saw lightening for the first time, they couldn't explain it, so they said it was a God that was angry. Crops burned to the ground, why? Because God was pissed at you. You are King of England. Why? because God has chosen you. The Bible was there to control people or to lead people into the right direction. No one will ever know what the true bible stated because it has been 1. Translated so many times by people with their own ideals. and 2. King James even admitted to translating his own version of the Bible and had taken out passages, and added to the Bible to fit his own needs. Hell the Bible was written by hearsay! The whole story of Jesus wasn't written until sixty years after the death of Jesus. Ever play telephone? I am not saying that the whole aspect of Relgion is nothing but a load of shit or trying to step on peoples ideals, but it is just something to mention. Alot of people take the bible too seriously and use it to hate people and cause wars. The Crusades. Slavery. Homophobia. Anti- Women Rights. Murder. Are all justified by the bible if you manipulate it properly. Hell, there is even a passage promoting INCEST.

Dude, you just made a whole post making x amount of claims and never backed them up.
Like the 60 years thing. Proof?
Bible references for all those passages you claim promote murder and incest?
Proof that the crusades was all the bible's fault?

Plus King James didn't translate the Bible himself. He actually had barely any part in that. Its just called King James 'cause he comissioned it. And there are different editions of the Bible, I don't see why the KJV is such a biig fuckin' deal o_o
I mean, christ, I'm English and I've never even seen a copy of that bible that my ex-king once comissioned. Like, 400 years before I was born, but whatever.

Here are the dates, estimated but backed up by the Catholic Church.
Mark: c. 50s to early 60s, or late 60s
Matthew: c. 50 to 70s
Luke: c. 59 to 63, or 70s to 80s
John: c. 85 to near 100, or 50s to 70

And clearly you didn't read what I said properly. I said "The Crusades. Slavery. Homophobia. Anti- Women Rights. Murder.Are all justified by the bible if you manipulate it properly.

Though i will admit King James didn't have that much involvment in the translation of the bible, doesn't mean that others didn't take the original Bible and ripped it to shreds. PLease, humans are not pure or innocent enough to keep their own ideals out of a Scared book.

As for incest. You all know the story of Sodom that was destroyed by God because of the immense sin. Well he spared Lot, and his family, because they were the only rightous people who lived there. His wife, sadly, was turned into a pillar of salt because she turned back to the city as the fled. After brought to safety...Lot's daughters thought up a master plan.

31. And the elder said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man on earth to come upon us, as is the custom of all the earth.
32. Come, let us give our father wine to drink, and let us lie with him, and let us bring to life seed from our father."
33. And they gave their father wine to drink on that night, and the elder came and lay with her father, and he did not know of her lying down or of her rising up.
34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the elder said to the younger, "Behold, last night I lay with my father. Let us give him wine to drink tonight too, and come, lie with him, and let us bring to life seed from our father."
35. So they gave their father to drink on that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know of her lying down or of her rising up.
36. And Lot's two daughters conceived from their father

This story can be found in Gensis.

Ok, first you need tot ake what you read in the old testament carefully. Alot of things changed when Jesus came. Like animal sacrafice. Just because lots daughters slept with him, doesn't mean its justifiable. If anything the bible puts it there to show not to do it. And ANYTHING can work for you if you manipulate it properly. Look at Adolf Hitler. He was an incredibally intelligent man that manipulated thousands for his misplaced ideals.