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druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 12:41am He often stood alone as an Illinois lawmaker in opposition to protections for babies who survived abortion.
We were in Springfield to lobby for passage of the state Born Alive Infant Protection Act, legislation that would require hospitals to care for infants who survive an abortion. Obama spoke against the legislation in 2001 and 2002 and single-handedly defeated it in committee in 2003.
My friend stood in Obama’s path and said, “Senator, we are going to pass Born Alive here in Illinois this year.”
Obama smiled smoothly and agreed, “I think you will,” adding, “I would have voted for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Illinois had it been worded the same as the federal bill. I think that’s the position the Democrats should take.”
There’s just one thing he forgot to mention: Obama had stopped his committee from adding the federal wording.
With Obama no longer in the state Senate, the Born Alive legislation passed in 2005.
The rest of the article is here.
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I, personally, am appalled and disgusted.
Thoughts? |
Mrs. Melting Crayons
Banned
Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 4803 | April 17th, 2008 at 12:45am Yeah, appalled and disgusted pretty much covers it.
I don't know where I stand on abortion, but really, this is horrific. I didn't think anyone could honestly live with themselves if they let a baby die like that. |
the endless.
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 2623 | April 17th, 2008 at 12:45am As far as I can tell, Obama avoids taking a position on a lot of issues, especially controversial ones like abortion.
But I don't entirely understand what this act does. Do some embryos survive abortion due to a botched procedure? Or is it something that just happens to a small percentage of abortions? |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 12:46am ^
In late-term abortions, the infant sometimes lives. The bill was to keep them from simply putting the baby in the closet and letting it die. Obama thought the babies should be rocked to death. |
Stereo.
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 743 | April 17th, 2008 at 12:56am Wait I don't exactly understand the born alive infant protection act. Can somebody explain it to me in a om, or on here? |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 12:59am ^
The Born Alive Protection Act is to keep infants that survive late-term abortions alive. Not to put them in a closet and let them die, which was what used to happen. |
the endless.
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 2623 | April 17th, 2008 at 01:17am He wants them rocked to death?
That's just fucking sick.
With medical care, these babies could survive, correct? |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 01:19am the endless.:With medical care, these babies could survive, correct?
Some would and some would not. But I believe that they should have been given care to help live. We're talking about living, breathing babies. This is no longer a fetus. This is a child. |
Mrs. Melting Crayons
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Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 4803 | April 17th, 2008 at 01:24am That's just sick.
When I was born, I was in worse condition than these babies.
Do I not have a right to live? |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 01:27am ^
They're not talking about babies born in bad conditions, just babies that were meant to be aborted.
Not that this is an issue any longer. Except for the fact that he could be President and he wanted babies rocked to death. |
Mrs. Melting Crayons
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Age: 14
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Posts: 4803 | April 17th, 2008 at 01:28am druscilla; bones.:^
They're not talking about babies born in bad conditions, just babies that were meant to be aborted.
Not that this is an issue any longer. Except for the fact that he could be President and he wanted babies rocked to death. I know. I was just saying that it took more medical care for me than it would have taken for those babies. Just...ugh. |
Sardonic Grin
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Age: 20
Gender: Female
Posts: 7808 | April 17th, 2008 at 02:16am This article is from a Right to Life article, couldn't it be bias? |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 02:19am Sardonic Grin:This article is from a Right to Life article, couldn't it be bias?
The opening is from a completely different article that isn't even associated with Right to Life.
The link to the original my mom sent me is dead. I just typed the headline into Yahoo. |
Kurtni O'Hara
Database Error
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3411 | April 17th, 2008 at 03:44am druscilla; b o n e s: This is no longer a fetus. This is a child. Do you think the mother still had the right to abort? |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 04:42am Kurtni Von Teese:druscilla; b o n e s: This is no longer a fetus. This is a child. Do you think the mother still had the right to abort?
Of course she had the right to abort. These are late-term so I only agree in the case of the mother's health. But the right to abortion doesn't really play in here. We're talking about shoving children in closets. |
Kurtni O'Hara
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Posts: 3411 | April 17th, 2008 at 04:54am druscilla; b o n e s:Kurtni Von Teese:druscilla; b o n e s: This is no longer a fetus. This is a child. Do you think the mother still had the right to abort?
Of course she had the right to abort. These are late-term so I only agree in the case of the mother's health. But the right to abortion doesn't really play in here. We're talking about shoving children in closets. When someone has an abortion, it's with the understanding that the death of the fetus is justified. I just don't see how you can call that wrong, when you support the intentional death to begin with. |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 17th, 2008 at 05:16am Kurtni Von Teese:When someone has an abortion, it's with the understanding that the death of the fetus is justified. I just don't see how you can call that wrong, when you support the intentional death to begin with.
Because it's no longer a fetus. It's a living breathing human. It was a botched abortion. Things don't always go according to plan. |
Kurtni O'Hara
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Posts: 3411 | April 18th, 2008 at 02:48am druscilla; bones.:Kurtni Von Teese:When someone has an abortion, it's with the understanding that the death of the fetus is justified. I just don't see how you can call that wrong, when you support the intentional death to begin with.
Because it's no longer a fetus. It's a living breathing human. It was a botched abortion. Things don't always go according to plan.
It was living, breathing, and human when it was still a fetus. |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 18th, 2008 at 04:53am Kurtni Von Teese:druscilla; bones.:Kurtni Von Teese:When someone has an abortion, it's with the understanding that the death of the fetus is justified. I just don't see how you can call that wrong, when you support the intentional death to begin with.
Because it's no longer a fetus. It's a living breathing human. It was a botched abortion. Things don't always go according to plan.
It was living, breathing, and human when it was still a fetus.
Not legally human. |
The Motorcycle Boy.
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Posts: 2211 | April 18th, 2008 at 03:12pm I think that, in some sense, Obama's opinion is correct on this subject. The mothers have an abortion thinking that they will not have to deal with a child, and that is their choice. When the baby then survives the abortion, the mothers then have to either care for the child themselves, or give it up for adoption. Either way, they are still left caring for a child that they didn't want in the first place.
However, at the same time I can understand the opinions of those opposed to this. I'm kind of gray on this issue. |
