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druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 18th, 2008 at 07:13pm ^
No, they don't. They already gave up the child. They don't have to deal with it. |
Tragic.
Grammar Guru
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 6291 | April 18th, 2008 at 08:44pm I have to agree with The Motorcycle Boy. It was already planned and it was carried out, and, sadly, the fetus was alive when it was removed. As sick as it can be to have a fetus meant to be dead, alive in front of you, you can really do nothing. -Sigh.-
Mother's choice to abort, and if the mother doesn't want it after it's come out and just so happened to be alive (which she was avoiding in the first place), then what do we do with the no-longer-a-fetus, but a baby? Sure, adoption but...I dunno how exactly that would go down. The baby's not to term, some will have some defect because of the adoption...
In the end, won't most of them be in an adoption house until they're legal?
I am, too, gray on this subject. Because they are now alive and breathing, I don't want to harm the child but...I dunno. |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 18th, 2008 at 08:58pm It's a child now.
A child.
It's no longer a fetus.
Once it is expelled and breathing it lost it's fetus status.
It's a fucking child now.
Anyone who thinks it should be locked to death/kept in a closet is allowing murder.
It's no longer a fetus. |
Stereo.
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 743 | April 18th, 2008 at 09:23pm ^ agreed and agreed.
If you 'dunno' about whether these children should be given medical care, maybe you should..never mind.
never mind what i was going to say that would have been bad and i'm apologizing even though i did not say it. |
Briton
Grammar Guru
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Posts: 3732 | April 19th, 2008 at 02:51am If the infant were to live through the abortion and stayed alive, what would they do with it? I don't expect the mother to care for it, and adoption is hard to go by. I don't like the idea of killing innocent kids. That's pretty freaking wrong. I don't expect the mother to keep it either. That would majorly suck; just imagine going in to have an abortion and the baby live. That's got to be hard on the baby and the mother. |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 19th, 2008 at 03:04am Leonore Paisley:If the infant were to live through the abortion and stayed alive, what would they do with it? I don't expect the mother to care for it, and adoption is hard to go by. I don't like the idea of killing innocent kids. That's pretty freaking wrong. I don't expect the mother to keep it either. That would majorly suck; just imagine going in to have an abortion and the baby live. That's got to be hard on the baby and the mother.
The bill is passed.
This thread was made to discuss Obama's stand on it. |
Tragic.
Grammar Guru
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 6291 | April 19th, 2008 at 06:47pm Olisykes.:^ agreed and agreed.
If you 'dunno' about whether these children should be given medical care, maybe you should..never mind.
never mind what i was going to say that would have been bad and i'm apologizing even though i did not say it.
I respect your opinion, and I'm glad that you didn't yell at me/say something offensive because of mine. It's not that I want to kill the babies, nor that I don't think that they should be given medical care. It's more along the lines of, if I was in this situation, I wouldn't know what the fuck to do.
It would be hard to keep a baby that you planned on aborting as it was a fetus, and it would be even harder to know that after it became a baby and took its first breath to realize that you still didn't want it, and no one knew what to do with it, so they killed it. I'm in the gray because I'm completely confused.
Like I said, I want to help the babies, I swear on my life. But...
Yeah. Still in the gray.
Eventually I'll choose black or white.
Question for everyone:
Do you think that Obama just up and said, "Hey, I'm going to rock babies to death because I'm a sick fuck."? That he's doing it because he really doesn't like babies?
Or do you think that he had to put time into this and really think about it? That, yes, they're babies now, but the mother chose to abort rather than go to term and put the baby up for adoption.
I personally think that Obama had to put some thought into it.
Personally. |
The Motorcycle Boy.
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Posts: 2211 | April 20th, 2008 at 05:02am To be honest, I don't really see the difference between a baby that is a few hours old meeting a peaceful demise versus a fetus who has been successfully aborted. |
Pie
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: -
Gender: Female
Posts: 1267 | April 20th, 2008 at 12:30pm I find it wrong that he thinks it's right to just lock the kid up till they're dead just because they turned out to be alive after the abortion. I mean, they technically are alive, and if the mothers want to get rid of it they can either a) commit murder and then go to jail or b) just fucking give it up for adoption. Although I don't encourage it, you can give your fucking kid up for adoption and they can either go to a shitty family or a wonderful family, depends on who would actually take them in.
So, yeah, I don't like the idea of people actually agreeing with him on this, since basically you're murdering a child. It's no longer a Goddamn fetus. It's a living, breathing person.
None of you can possibly say you would actually kill it just because it turned out to survive the abortion.
One fucking word if you want to get rid of it:
adoption.
EDIT:
sorry for all the curse words (or the common use of the word 'fuck')....
It just sickens me that much to see that someone who wants to lead a country finds it an 'aye-okay' thing to do to an innocent little child. |
Kurtni O'Hara
Database Error
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3409 | April 20th, 2008 at 02:56pm This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but it puzzles me how many people use adoption as a pro-argument in this thread, but when someone mentions it in an abortion discussion, the adoption system fails and it's overcrowded.  |
Fallen From Grace
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Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 7800 | April 20th, 2008 at 05:22pm Kurtni Von Teese:This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but it puzzles me how many people use adoption as a pro-argument in this thread, but when someone mentions it in an abortion discussion, the adoption system fails and it's overcrowded.
I noticed that. It sounds so stupid when you put it that way.
But I guess it's a different case now that the baby is born. The adoption system is over-crowded and doesn't always work properly but when the baby is born, it's not a fetus that can be aborted anymore. It's now the case where adoption is necessary [if the mother doesn't want it]. |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 21st, 2008 at 03:30am The Motorcycle Boy.:To be honest, I don't really see the difference between a baby that is a few hours old meeting a peaceful demise versus a fetus who has been successfully aborted.
Legally, however, there is a vast difference. Such as the fact that the baby is now a legal human and a fetus still is not. |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 21st, 2008 at 03:33am Kurtni Von Teese:This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but it puzzles me how many people use adoption as a pro-argument in this thread, but when someone mentions it in an abortion discussion, the adoption system fails and it's overcrowded.
Because we're talking about a child as opposed to a fetus.
I am opposed to infanticide. |
Kurtni O'Hara
Database Error
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3409 | April 23rd, 2008 at 07:53pm druscilla; swinging.:Kurtni Von Teese:This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but it puzzles me how many people use adoption as a pro-argument in this thread, but when someone mentions it in an abortion discussion, the adoption system fails and it's overcrowded.
Because we're talking about a child as opposed to a fetus.
I am opposed to infanticide. What you're opposed to doesn't really change the state of the adoption system. |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | April 23rd, 2008 at 07:53pm Kurtni Von Teese:druscilla; swinging.:Kurtni Von Teese:This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but it puzzles me how many people use adoption as a pro-argument in this thread, but when someone mentions it in an abortion discussion, the adoption system fails and it's overcrowded.
Because we're talking about a child as opposed to a fetus.
I am opposed to infanticide. What you're opposed to doesn't really change the state of the adoption system.
No, but it does clarify the argument. |
SomeGirlOnTheNet
Writer's Block
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 21 | July 20th, 2008 at 01:04am He's sick.  |
Lyzzla
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Posts: 320 | July 20th, 2008 at 04:50am Okay...the terms "shoved in a closet" and "rock the baby to death" are confusing me. Is this just slang for killing kids, or does it have some meaning?
I can't say I agree with this one. Wouldn't it be just as easy to give it up for adoption at this point? Surely if you can sign the papers to have it killed, you don't care enough about handing the baby to someone else? |
druscilla; nazareth.
Ghostwriter
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 17953 | July 21st, 2008 at 09:17pm Lyzzla:Okay...the terms "shoved in a closet" and "rock the baby to death" are confusing me. Is this just slang for killing kids, or does it have some meaning?
It means exactly what it says.
Placing the child in a closet.
Having someone rock the baby to death, like when you rock a baby to sleep. |
Kurtni O'Hara
Database Error
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3409 | July 21st, 2008 at 09:23pm druscilla; glitter.:Lyzzla:Okay...the terms "shoved in a closet" and "rock the baby to death" are confusing me. Is this just slang for killing kids, or does it have some meaning?
It means exactly what it says.
Placing the child in a closet.
Having someone rock the baby to death, like when you rock a baby to sleep. Do you have a source saying that is standard practice? |
Coldwind4
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 334 | July 29th, 2008 at 01:01am If that IS true, than I find that pretty sick.
I am pro-life to a degree, depending on the circumstance, but when people who are pro-choice throw out certain arguments justifying that, I can see and respect their opinions, because even if I don't like it...they make points that make sense.
But I can really see no way to justify the murder of an already born child. Almost everything political is a big grey area for me, but not this if it's true. Once the child is born, there are much better, and EASIER options than that. I don't respect that decision. |
