Animal Testing

I'm completely for it and I kind of agree with the pointless testing of things like cosmetics but as for medical research I couldn't care less what they do to the animals as long as it has a sound scientific purpose

Plus there are standards testing clinics have to adhere to, to insure that the animals aren't completely harmed, well science labs anyway. In my bio labs at uni we do some experiments on animals but we knock them out first so they're not in any pain.

And I think its worth the sacrifice of a few monkeys and mice if it means that cure for diseases are going to be discovered or some other important scientific breakthrough

But at the end of the day they are just animals, in some cases there is just no alternative method - unless these extreme animals right protesters, (you know the ones that burn down labs and attack scientists) want to volunteer their services

Thunderstruck.:

(not even a cell from an animal,

..may I ask why you're opposed to that?

Against.

I can't stand the idea of innocent animals, who have not given permission or whatever being tested - with a risk - for scientific or cosmetic purposes. They might be alive specifically for that purpose, but they didn't give any form of permission to be subjected to strange, possibly harmful substances/viruses/methods.

What makes this discussion rather awkward is the fact that virtually everyone has benefited from medical testing on animals. If you've taken medications or recievec vacinations, chances are at one point or another your health benefited from something that was tested on animals. I don't see how one can say something is wrong while at the same time, use it.

Kurtni Von Teese:

What makes this discussion rather awkward is the fact that virtually everyone has benefited from medical testing on animals. If you've taken medications or recievec vacinations, chances are at one point or another your health benefited from something that was tested on animals. I don't see how one can say something is wrong while at the same time, use it.

I totally agree. I mean, it'd be great if we didn't have to test on animals, but we kind of need to... And besides, we've benefited from it.

I think that once a product is able to be on the shelves, they should stop testing on animals. Because, if it's on the shelves and they're still testing... I'm kinda iffy on getting it, because shouldn't it be good enough to use on ourselves?

I know I'm always going to sound like the cruel, hearless one for being in almost complete support of animal testing but some of us have to otherwise the human species wouldn't progress
And I'm not saying that it's ok to torture animals - if labs stick to the proper guidlines then this will not happen. I'm studying in the medical field, I have to do a lot of research and yes, experiments with animals but I know that what I'm doing is justifiable as the results could mean the dedvelopment of new life saving drugs and vaccines

I do however oppose cosmetic testing - there should be a sound scientific reason for the testing
Also, the most commonly used animal in experiments is the mouse, whoose DNA similarity is closer than the rat. The rat is used because its an easy animal to study and as a mamal has an almost identical internal antomical system

And there is a reason I have to think of them as just animals. Plus I also work with a lot of bacteria, a lot of pathogenic bacteria, which you will find these "precious" animals are the sources.

And if it weren't for using the AMES test of mice then we would not know which chemicals we come into close contact everyday are carcinogenic or not.

shitjustgotreal.onyx:

I totally agree. I mean, it'd be great if we didn't have to test on animals, but we kind of need to... And besides, we've benefited from it.

Exactly. If you show me a little girl dying of cancer, and a rat mutated from chemo, I can tell you which one my heart will go out to...

I'm firmly opposed to testing things such as cosmetics on animals or cleaning products because that is unnecessary. But when it comes to medicine, it is needed and it saves lives. As much as I love animals, I'll always say the health of humans comes before that of a lab rat. I don't think of them as "just animals", I value all living things and I adore animals, I just know people have to come first.

Kurtni Von Teese:

Thunderstruck.:

(not even a cell from an animal,

..may I ask why you're opposed to that?

Of course you can.

It's simply my belief. I am completely against it, 100%, no questions answered. I believe that taking even a cell from an animal is still testing on them, despite the fact taking cells probably wouldn't hurt them in the slightest.

I know abolishing it wouldn't happen overnight, but I believe we can stop cosmetics being tested, because most chemicals in things like shampoo have already been tested and there is no need for it. Also, their bodies are different from ours, and that can result in huge problems.

Thunderstruck.:

It's simply my belief.

Do you eat meat?
Do you use cosmetics?
Do you take medications when you're sick?

Dark.:

And the question still remains... why do animals have rights?
[the obvious ''because they're animals'' does not count as an answer.]

Frankly, I think there's a different between cruelty and medical research. Cruelty is wrong, developing a vaccine for HIV is not.
As for testing cosmetics, I support non-animal testing as long as there are other effective alternatives to it. I cannot explain how painful it is to buy and use a face cream and wake up the next morning with red burning spots all over your skin. Because that's the huge problem of banning animal testing, who to test on if not animals.

"I cannot explain how painful it is to buy and use a face cream and wake up the next morning with red burning spots all over your skin."

Think about the pain any animal who is tested on goes through.
It's much worse that that.

I think the worst testing is cosmetics.
It's sick. The animals aren't going to wear make up. Its not like we need make up.
In my opinion, It's sick.

I don't eat meat, all my make up says its not tested on animals and I don't take medication tested on animals unless my mum makes me, as she can force me, but sometimes I throw it back up.
I can' t stand the thought of an animal going through so much pain just so humans can get rid of a simple headache or look "pretty".

Sorry, It's just how I feel.

Thunderstruck.:

Of course you can.

It's simply my belief. I am completely against it, 100%, no questions answered. I believe that taking even a cell from an animal is still testing on them, despite the fact taking cells probably wouldn't hurt them in the slightest.

I know abolishing it wouldn't happen overnight, but I believe we can stop cosmetics being tested, because most chemicals in things like shampoo have already been tested and there is no need for it. Also, their bodies are different from ours, and that can result in huge problems.

Well it is testing on them, but seeing as how it doesn't harm them and it saves lives I can't understand why someone would oppose it.

I agree with you when you say it shouldn't be used for fickle reasons such as cosmetics, but I think medical research is different. As for their bodies being different than ours, that;s obvious. Scientists know how to work with that and focus on similar components. We wouldn't have many of the medicines that saves lives without animal testing. What do you say to all the people who depend on those things?

Dujo:

Thunderstruck.:

It's simply my belief.

Do you eat meat?
Do you use cosmetics?
Do you take medications when you're sick?

I am forced to eat meat by my mum. I tell her how it's actually made but she just tuts and gives me more.
I don't use cosmetics as in makeup. Gah. Can't stand the stuff.
And medications when I'm sick? I just sleep it off.

Kurtni Von Teese:

Thunderstruck.:

Of course you can.

It's simply my belief. I am completely against it, 100%, no questions answered. I believe that taking even a cell from an animal is still testing on them, despite the fact taking cells probably wouldn't hurt them in the slightest.

I know abolishing it wouldn't happen overnight, but I believe we can stop cosmetics being tested, because most chemicals in things like shampoo have already been tested and there is no need for it. Also, their bodies are different from ours, and that can result in huge problems.

Well it is testing on them, but seeing as how it doesn't harm them and it saves lives I can't understand why someone would oppose it.

I agree with you when you say it shouldn't be used for fickle reasons such as cosmetics, but I think medical research is different. As for their bodies being different than ours, that;s obvious. Scientists know how to work with that and focus on similar components. We wouldn't have many of the medicines that saves lives without animal testing. What do you say to all the people who depend on those things?

Aha. I understand.

You're right. We wouldn't have medicines that saves lives without it...but I'm still against it.

Animals shouldn't even have to be tested on. Why?
About medications, our sickness can easily be prevented. Something as simple as washing our hands can prevent us from getting sick. We DON'T need to kill/harm innocent animals for things we could've easily prevented on our own. And the whole cancer/other severe disease issue, there's a such thing as survival of the fittest. It sounds harsh, but mother nature is going to do what she pleases. People die. We don't have the right to choose their time of death.

And, cosmetics? Another thing we don't need. If something burns us, we have the ability to wash it off. Animals don't have that luxury while they're getting tested on.

Why do animals have rights? Simple. They were here first.

Animal testing is sick. For all those who are for it, I'm all for putting YOU in that lab so YOU can be tested on. See how you like it.

CaliginousXReality:

Something as simple as washing our hands can prevent us from getting sick.

Sorry to say, but washing your hands does not prevent you from getting cancer. Washing your hands won't prevent a heart attack. Washing your hands doesn't stop high blood pressure. Washing your hands keeps germs off, but germs are not the only thing that makes you sick and regardless of how excellent your hygeine is, you're still going to get sick. Especially when it comes to little kids, they're gross and they share germs and they get sick, it happens, it's part of life. Are you saying we should deny kids medical care because they forgot to wash their hands?

CaliginousXReality:

And the whole cancer/other severe disease issue, there's a such thing as survival of the fittest

Thats a fairly hypocritical thing to say, don't you think? Seeing as how you have benefited from medication in your life.

pulmonary archery.:

now when science is so advanced, you would think there would be other ways to work out what chemicals are going harm someone.

Examples.....

pulmonary archery.:

And if youre that deperate, find humans who are willing to be tested on. I'm sure there are some out there. If they die, its their own fault for consenting to it. Animals can't give consent for us to destroy their bodies.

You can't honestly think that would work. People with lower incomes would be manipulated into taking part in studies without knowing the full effect that it could have on them; they more than likely wouldn't even know what they're consenting to. Human lives are not disposeable.