Animal Testing

Against, against, against.
Animals have feelings too. Just because they can't talk and tell us it hurts through words, and maybe they don't understand what's happening, that doesn't mean we can do it.
Honestly, don't we have enough makeup brands already? And haven't we dont enough tests by now to know what works and what doesn't?

You're harming them on purpose. Isn't that animal abuse? Sure, maybe it's for the "greater good", but what good is it? So we can have just another makeup company?

I may be biased, since I have pet rats, dogs, and a cat. But that doesn't change it.

crash in the rain:

You know... my dog had cancer surgery and because of that, she's still alive. Do you think that the process (lazer) was not animal tested? Because, animal testing saved my animal.

It was for the good of an animal, not a human.

May I please point out that Humans are a species of animal?
We may not see ourselves as that, but we're just a bunch of monkeys.

Double ><

Fluff;:

Against, against, against.
Animals have feelings too. Just because they can't talk and tell us it hurts through words, and maybe they don't understand what's happening, that doesn't mean we can do it.
Honestly, don't we have enough makeup brands already? And haven't we dont enough tests by now to know what works and what doesn't?

You're harming them on purpose. Isn't that animal abuse? Sure, maybe it's for the "greater good", but what good is it? So we can have just another makeup company?

I may be biased, since I have pet rats, dogs, and a cat. But that doesn't change it.

Have you ever taken any medicines? Pain killers? Anti nauseous tablets?

Cause if you have, they have all been tested on animals. So really you have benefited from animal testing.

ChemicallyImbalanced:

Fluff;:

Against, against, against.
Animals have feelings too. Just because they can't talk and tell us it hurts through words, and maybe they don't understand what's happening, that doesn't mean we can do it.
Honestly, don't we have enough makeup brands already? And haven't we dont enough tests by now to know what works and what doesn't?

You're harming them on purpose. Isn't that animal abuse? Sure, maybe it's for the "greater good", but what good is it? So we can have just another makeup company?

I may be biased, since I have pet rats, dogs, and a cat. But that doesn't change it.

Have you ever taken any medicines? Pain killers? Anti nauseous tablets?

Cause if you have, they have all been tested on animals. So really you have benefited from animal testing.

I'm talking about cosmetic testing.
Should have said that

Ianto Jones:

I completly disagree with the above.

Just animals? Just animals?
They have hearts and feelings just like humans.
Humans have no right to test on animals in any way shape or form.
I personally find it disgusting.
It was proven that the percent that's the same in a Rats DNA as a Human, is 1%.
1 freaking percent. For millions of rats lives.
To some people, rats don't matter. They are still Animals.
They have hearts. Lives. Mums. Dads.
Testing on Humans would have such a greater outcome.

But we continue to put them in so much pain.

"If you don't like my opinions leave.But just remember, the animals can't leave the cages that hold them. They are captive and suffering. As you cozy into your bed tonight, try to imagine the pain and the suffering that they endure day after day and night after night. Next time you get some soap in your eyes, try to imagine that pain for 3 or 4 days at a time. Next time you have a stomach ache, try to imagine liquid plumber being poured down your throat till you puke so much that you bleed so much you die. Next time you bump your head, try to imagine being a monkey and getting a steel plate smashed into your skull at 50 miles per hour. Then, only then should you feel compelled to tell me that I'm wrong about my opinions. For all these things have happened in the name of science. They continue in abundance till this day."

Think.

i think that it's a load of bollacks that testing medicines in rabbits going to be anything like people.
give that job to people on the death sentance.

I'm totally against it. I think it's so unfair on the animals involved that humans could be shortening their lives for a chance of some progress in research.
People have tried convincing me that the medical testing is fine, but I'm still yet to see it.

ZoeePea:

I'm totally against it. I think it's so unfair on the animals involved that humans could be shortening their lives for a chance of some progress in research.
People have tried convincing me that the medical testing is fine, but I'm still yet to see it.

if you have ever been vaccinated, been treated for any medical problem or taken any medication in your life, you have benefited from it

wish_i_was_adie:

ZoeePea:

I'm totally against it. I think it's so unfair on the animals involved that humans could be shortening their lives for a chance of some progress in research.
People have tried convincing me that the medical testing is fine, but I'm still yet to see it.

if you have ever been vaccinated, been treated for any medical problem or taken any medication in your life, you have benefited from it

Whether people have benefited from it or not, people are still going to be against it regardless.

wish_i_was_adie:

ZoeePea:

I'm totally against it. I think it's so unfair on the animals involved that humans could be shortening their lives for a chance of some progress in research.
People have tried convincing me that the medical testing is fine, but I'm still yet to see it.

if you have ever been vaccinated, been treated for any medical problem or taken any medication in your life, you have benefited from it

the only medication I've taken is Capol, when I wasn't old enough to decide what I could do.
and yes, vaccinations, but I did have people holding me down.
I even had my tooth pulled out (by the dentist) with out anesthetic. and I don't take pain killers for any pains.
I like the natural medication of sleep.

ZoeePea:

the only medication I've taken is Capol, when I wasn't old enough to decide what I could do.
and yes, vaccinations, but I did have people holding me down.
I even had my tooth pulled out (by the dentist) with out anesthetic. and I don't take pain killers for any pains.
I like the natural medication of sleep.

And if you had cancer? Needed surgery?Would you allow a sick pet to suffer? Sleep can't fix everything.

Okay, few things because I can't be bothered copy and pasting and quoting. I know that's rude but hey, it's a multi-applicational temporal posting data ghost.

1. We do not have a full list of chemicals that "work" and "don't work" or however you word it. Take aspirin for example. It took thirty years of solid research and millenia of crude use to get the form we have today. From that, we were able to figure out the pharmacafore (the bit what works) and develop medications that had some of the properties of aspirin that are based around different molecules such as paracetamol and ibuprofen. As we are organic creatures, it is obvious that the medicines we take are also organic. This means that any compound...ANY COMPOUND with carbon in it. This means millions of possibilities...and that doesn't even include inorganic compounds. We have barely scratched the surface on medical breakthroughs. We do not have all the answers.

2. PLEASE READ THIS!

Nuremberg Code.:

The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

We cannot experiment on humans willy-nilly. That is against the law. We cannot experiment on humans without consent. We cannot do it to prisoners because they will die anyway. I really hate to invoke Godwin's Law but that really is on the concentration camp side of things.

3. We will all need some form of medical advancement in our lifetimes and to avoid it is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Animal testing is at the moment our only option. If you can get a way of a new way of testing things, it would be helpful but until then we have to.

The Valiant!:

Animal testing is at the moment our only option. If you can get a way of a new way of testing things, it would be helpful but until then we have to.

Why is human testing illegal but not animal testing? What makes you think humans are any better than animals? You think animals can't feel pain? You think animals can't ba sad when they loose their child? How do you know that? Humans are no better than animals, in fact, I think we're worse.

Whoever said animals can't feel pain? Everyone who is against animal testing always says that. But I haven't seen one person say that animals can't feel pain, that they aren't sad when they loose a child.

But the fact of the matter is, we NEED animal testing. We need it for our penicillin and our vaccinations for various diseases. Like, I think it was Kurtni who said this, if you were handed a gun, and had to shoot either a little girl who had cancer or a dog, who would you shoot? I know I would shoot the dog to save the girls life.

And you act like the scientist's LIKE to hurt them. They try NOT to. But in some cases it is inevitable.

And what if you or your sister or your brother or one of your parents get cancer. And they finally have a cure, but it was found testing on animals, would you deny yourself it? What if your certain family member can't make the decision for themselves, what if you had to make it. Would you deny them?

Animal testing is completely necessary until we find a more efficient way to test.

Michael James Way:

The Valiant!:

Animal testing is at the moment our only option. If you can get a way of a new way of testing things, it would be helpful but until then we have to.

Why is human testing illegal but not animal testing? What makes you think humans are any better than animals? You think animals can't feel pain? You think animals can't ba sad when they loose their child? How do you know that? Humans are no better than animals, in fact, I think we're worse.

...Did you not read what I just wrote? It is illegal for humans to be tested straight away because it can kill them. It can cause PTSD and the psychological aftermath is huge if it goes wrong. If there is the slightest risk, all patients must be informed by law - regardless of the situation or type of experiment.

I do not think that animals do not feel pain or they cannot have grief - do not put words in my mouth. It is painfully obvious - and it has been shown quite plainly - that animals do not have a mental capacity of ourselves. It is obvious to see that. They lack self-consciousness. They lack an urge for aesthetics or technology.

Basically, it is down to this. A rat - a nameless rat - can tell us so much more about the human condition than Charlie Green the baker that lives on 41 Maple Street. A rat only lives for a few years. Charlie might live to 100 if he stays off the fatty foods and low-grade meat. A rat may not have the choice to be part of an experiment but the rat also does not understand what an experiment is. In the wild, for most of the Western world, the rat is regarded as vermin. Would you find it acceptable to find a rat in your house? Or in the kitchen where you eat? Yes, I know there are places where the thing is sacred. I'm not talking about there though because you do not live there. Charlie Green has the right to know what an experiment entails and he has the right to withdraw at any possible moment. The rat does not because it does not understand. It was born for this.

And besides, I would like to see your alternatives. What would you do to make sure enough humans participated? You do realise that for most experiments that you need over one hundred participants? That they need to be from differing backgrounds? They need to all have one specific ailment? Do you realise how difficult it would be to arrange such a thing? And for them all to want to participate? It is difficult enough for people to leave their bodies for medical purposes after they are dead, why would they do it when they are alive?

Humans are in a different league from animals. You would not put krill into the same league as the whale and humans are in a different league from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Yes, we are all animals but to go back to acting like animals would take a lot. Animals do not understand the concepts of fashion, music or computers.

The Valiant: thank you for your well stated points, I was close to giving up on this thread

Michael James Way:

Why is human testing illegal but not animal testing?

Ever hear of Nazi human experimentation in the past?

Human experimentation is a slippery slope. Scientists (in the past) chose already marginalized populations and treated these people in horrible ways, many times against their will. The selection process was rarely random.

Here's a few examples of why human experimentation isn't being used the way it used to be: Examples of Past Human Experimentation

How many people who are against animal testing take birth control or plan on using condoms? I hate to break it to you, but both of those involve animal testing and contain animal by products.

Without both of those products, the world would be severely overpopulated and poverty would be even worse than it is now. Humans would be suffering, and as so many of you have pointed out humans are animals too. So if you're so against the suffering of animals, I don't see how you can oppose contraceptives.

Animals that overpopulate in the wild, and animals in zoos, are often given some form of contraceptive to prevent them from suffering from starvation and overpopulation. Without animal testing that wouldn't be possible.