Animal Testing

mali:

But what makes us worth more than animals?

To us or to the universe?

Dujo:

mali:

But what makes us worth more than animals?

To us or to the universe?

To you

mali:

To you

Humans made me. I live with them, work with them, I help them, they help me... I wouldn't survive without them. Is that enough?

You know... my dog had cancer surgery and because of that, she's still alive. Do you think that the process (lazer) was not animal tested? Because, animal testing saved my animal.

shitjustgotreal.onyx:

You know... my dog had cancer surgery and because of that, she's still alive. Do you think that the process (lazer) was not animal tested? Because, animal testing saved my animal.

All animal medications and procedures were tested on animals at one time or another.

Kurtni Von Teese:

shitjustgotreal.onyx:

You know... my dog had cancer surgery and because of that, she's still alive. Do you think that the process (lazer) was not animal tested? Because, animal testing saved my animal.

All animal medications and procedures were tested on animals at one time or another.

So my dog's life was saved because of animal testing.

It's necessary, in most cases. Not for cosmetics, but medication.

Now, if my dog got sick again, I wouldn't hesitate to have surgery performed on her. It doesn't matter to me if it was animal tested or not. If it wasn't, I don't think I would be too sure about it because who knows what could happen?

If I get sick, I take medication. Everything has to be tested on something, or else it could be dangerous.

p.s.- If she wouldn't have had surgery, she would have died at four years old. You can not tell me that is long enough for a dog to live.

Dujo:

mali:

To you

Humans made me. I live with them, work with them, I help them, they help me... I wouldn't survive without them. Is that enough?

I see. I don't really like your reasoning but whatever. (y)

mali:

Dujo:

mali:

To you

Humans made me. I live with them, work with them, I help them, they help me... I wouldn't survive without them. Is that enough?

I see. I don't really like your reasoning but whatever. (y)

I know for a fact you eat meat, have taken medication, and use cosmetics... so if his reasoning is inadequate, what's yours?

Kurtni Von Teese:

I know for a fact you eat meat, have taken medication, and use cosmetics... so if his reasoning is inadequate, what's yours?

Reasoning for what? Why I think they're the same? Because we're both living things...?
And by the way I never said I was against animal testing. I'm not. But if they're going to test animals, why not test some humans?

mali:

Reasoning for what? Why I think they're the same? Because we're both living things...?

No, that wasn't what you asked Dujo. You asked him why humans were worth more, but you said you didn't like his reasoning, I asked what yours was.

Dead Meat.:

^ They do.

Then good. (y)

Kurtni Von Teese:

mali:

Reasoning for what? Why I think they're the same? Because we're both living things...?

No, that wasn't what you asked Dujo. You asked him why humans were worth more, but you said you didn't like his reasoning, I asked what yours was.

I asked him why he thought humans were worth more. I was asking for him to justify his opinion, and I didn't think he had a great reason. Hence the "I don't like your reasoning"
I don't have "reasoning" for thinking that humans are worth more, because I don't think that.

mali:

I don't have "reasoning" for thinking that humans are worth more, because I don't think that.

But you benefit from animal testing every day in your life... so if they're equal to us why is that ok?

mali:

Reasoning for what? Why I think they're the same? Because we're both living things...?

Plants are living things, too (:

Dark.:

Animals can't even distinguish between their own interests and what is right, they cannot comprehend the concept of rights.

And all people can? Animals don't have to be able to comprehend rights, because we give them their rights, they don't define them. Our rights just come first.

Kurtni Von Teese:

Dark.:

Animals can't even distinguish between their own interests and what is right, they cannot comprehend the concept of rights.

And all people can? Animals don't have to be able to comprehend rights, because we give them their rights, they don't define them. Our rights just come first.

Humans have the ability to say what is right or wrong, it's called morality and most sane people have it. That however does not mean that they'll always do the right thing.
Rights are by definition the legal entitlement to do or refrain from doing something, they also imply obligations. We cannot demand animals to follow laws because they cannot comprehend them, the same way we cannot grand them human rights.

sueno?:

We cannot demand animals to follow laws because they cannot comprehend them, the same way we cannot grand them human rights.
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You mean grant them?
And we don't give them human rights, we give them animal rights. If you have a pet, they have the right to food. You have to take them to the vet. Certain species are protected under law and you can't hunt them. They're entitled to those rights.

sueno?:

they also imply obligations.

Rights don't imply obligations, that's responsibilities or duites, they're different.

I think we're going off topic in here, we should probably make a seperate thread to discuss this.