Animal Testing

Completely for it.
Only for medicinal purposes.
We did a debate on it ages ago, and after researching it I realised how... stupid? Some people are about it.

Alternative methods are cheaper, and are used a lot recently, animals are only used when completely necessary. I mean, people go on about it like scientists like torturing animals. They don't. They're just trying to do the best for their study.

My dad told me a story about PETA and the stupid pre-conceptions about animal testing.
Basically, some lab was using dogs, or puppies, for some sort of medicinal trial. The dogs were perfectly healthy, only had to get a daily blood test, and had brilliant living conditions, got to run about during the day etc. PETA, however, decided to break into the lab, kidnapping the dogs in plastic bin liners. The dogs suffocated to death.

I hate PETA.

Peta isn't all it's cracked up to be.


I've never supported Peta, I never will. Their hypocrites in my opinion. But let me guess, Peta tried to say it was something that went on at the lab that caused them to die?

Bleed The Dream:

Peta isn't all it's cracked up to be.


I've never supported Peta, I never will. Their hypocrites in my opinion. But let me guess, Peta tried to say it was something that went on at the lab that caused them to die?

I think they said something like... they were better off dead, 'cause of the torture they suffered.
But... they didn't suffer at all. Until PETA went and stuffed them in a bag!

And yes, yes they are!
The president of it, or something, is a diabetic. Uses insulin. I mean, you can't use insulin and then be against animal testing. You owe your life to animal testing!

Hypocrites.

Which only makes me hate Peta more.

^ So, scientists can use you as a test subject?

gerontophobia.:

I'm against animal testings.
I mean, come on. It's our products their testing for, so why torture and hurt animals just because we want a better smelling shampoo?

Use humans for human products, animals for animal products. End of story.

EDIT: Even if the animals aren't tortured, it's still completely horrible to lock up these poor animals their whole lives just to test them. What is the tests are painful? You don't think animals hurt, too?

No. I think animals hurt.
But I don't have a problem subjecting animals to a couple of painful tests in order to cure Aids.
Basically, it's down to what you think is more important.
Animals not being in pain, or human life.

gerontophobia.:

Animals share this planet just as much as we do, and I don't think that our lives and well being ae worth any more than theirs is.

If we need to test, then why not test on humans? Because it's painful? Because we could die? Wow.

Animals do share this planet.
But to be painfully honest... we're higher in the food chain.

Basically, it's all about personal morals.
I'd prefer to kill an animal, than a human.
Some people prefer animals over humans. I get that.
But that's what it comes down to with animal testing. Which life do you value more, humans, or animals.
If you value animals in higher esteem than people, then animal testing isn't for you.
I, personally, would kill hundreds of animals to cure aids... or cancer... or something that will save thousands of human lives.

gerontophobia.:

Then why not test on HUMANS?
I don't get it.

Um... they do test on humans.
The amount of adverts I've seen for people to volunteer for medical research is ridiculous.
But with human test subjects it's more risky. There was a thing a while back where a bunch of people died from medical research tests, and the lab got sued.Plus, like I said, people [usually] value human lives higher than animals, and would prefer to kill an animal accidentally than a human.

gerontophobia.:

Yeah... it's true that most people would rather animal tests than human tests, and animal testing is something that is never going to stop. Ever.
I'd just rather that some labs didn't treat animals so badly... if every lab was kind to all animals, and tried their best not to inflict pain on them, then it wouldn't be as horrible as it is now.

You do know that there are guidelines to how you're supposed to treat animals in labs. It has to be humane. They have to feed them correctly, have a vet on call at all times.

The ones who don't are doing it illegally.

I mean, putting animals in stressful situations will effect the results, obviously scientists will do their best to lower the stress levels so more accurate results can be obtained.

I hate that PETA and other similar organizations make it out that people like to treat animals awfully. That they're testing on animals and putting them in pain for the fun of it. It's only ever done when completely necessary.

gerontophobia.:

Yeah? What about those ones where they lock a dog in a room, fill it's lungd with cigg smoke, and see how long it can survive?
I read they did that somewhere, and it was legal.
How is that humane?

I'm only for animal testing for medicinal purposes.
Anything else, like for cosmetics, food, or cigarettes I see as unnecessary, and not right no matter how they carry it out.
So that doesn't really apply.

Plus, if you read that from an animal rights website/newsletter or pamphlet, then it is obviously going to be inhumane, as that's the propaganda they're spreading.

I am for animal testing, for medicinal purposes, when carried out right.
Nothing is always carried out right. Murder is illegal, people still kill each other.
Plus, laws and regulations surrounding animal testing vary around the world. Where was that experiment carried out, and what was the purpose of it?

gerontophobia.:

Animal testing for deseases makes a LOT more sense than for cosmetics, but no one is going to stop anyways.

No, actually I saw it on TV. It made me cry.

If no one's going to stop, then the best thing is to control it.
Where I live we have the strictest/most harsh regulations when it comes to animal testing, which is probably why I'm so for it. Try to do it right, we can cause less pain and save people's lives.
Cosmetic testing is pointless.

Oh right. There are some messed up videos out there meant to shock us so we join the cause.

gerontophobia.:

Testing on animals for our benefit is completely wrong, no matter the reason.
We're the ones who made the world into what it is, with it's chemicals, poverty, and even deseases.

It's all our fault all this happened. And animals have to pay for it?

Well, using that logic then it was alright for Iams to test on animals.
Which I think was wrong.

We may have been the ones to make the world what it is, but we have the chance to correct that, or at least some of that, it just so happens animals are the key.
I mean, come on. Are you honestly telling me that if you went into heart failure, and had the chance of a heart transplant. You'd refuse it just because it was a procedure tested on animals? Or would you refuse a diabetic insulin because it was produced through animal testing? Have you been vaccinated? You have animal testing to thank for that as well.