The Holocaust

The Holocaust is one of the most horrible things that ever happened. And it is unbelieveable that there are still some ppl out in this fucked up world who deny that it has ever happened.

Schindler's List is better read than watched; but the movie is pretty darn good.
Anyway; Holocaust has got to be one of the sickest things to have ever happened. Nothing really tops that. My Great Uncle fought during the war and was taken capture at one point by the German's and then his group were handed over to the Japanese. Although he told us what went on when he was capture - though I am sure it was edited to an extent, he told us that he could never trust a Japanese or German after what he went through. To which I think is fair, no one can fully know the horror's of what happened in there, you can have your films, you can have people retell the history of it; but being in it and actually seeing people that you know or have become friends with being killed infront of your eyes for something minor like getting a football... It's not something that we can fully appreciate.

Also Gypsies were heavily persecuted as well.

dolencia.:

Actually they weren't only Jews. Jews were only 2 thirds of the people killed. Other ethnicity especially Rromani and Slavs were also murdered. Also homosexuals.
My town used to have a rather big Jewish population -we had the biggest synagogue in the country or something like that- they were deported mostly to Auschwitz. Now there are few Jews here. I think people still know little about the Holocaust. I mean most know the basics and most associate it with Germany but it was a lot bigger.

I don't take movies a serious source of information. They're movies.

I included homosexuals if you'd bothered to read the summary more carefully. 6 million Jews were killed most people refer to this as "the Holocaust" and don't include other groups of people. Though 5 million other groups, including homosexuals were killed. It says that above.
Also I didn't say it was a serious source of information i said it provided a "vived" look at the Holocaust. Schindlers List is based after a real story and the character Oscar Schindler did actually exsist and save more than a thousands Jews from the Holocaust. Seriously.

Rachelish:

Also Gypsies were heavily persecuted as well.

I include the persecution of Gypsies in my summary of the Holocaust.

Gravity Thrill:

I included homosexuals if you'd bothered to read the summary more carefully. 6 million Jews were killed most people refer to this as "the Holocaust" and don't include other groups of people. Though 5 million other groups, including homosexuals were killed. It says that above.
Also I didn't say it was a serious source of information i said it provided a "vived" look at the Holocaust. Schindlers List is based after a real story and the character Oscar Schindler did actually exsist and save more than a thousands Jews from the Holocaust. Seriously.

By providing a ''vived'' version of the Holocaust doesn't it provide you some information? I mean you took the film as a ''vived'' look on the Holocaust thus historical truth.

By the way I've heard that wiki is also a really reliable source of information.

sueno?:

By providing a ''vived'' version of the Holocaust doesn't it provide you some information? I mean you took the film as a ''vived'' look on the Holocaust thus historical truth.

By the way I've heard that wiki is also a really reliable source of information.

Well, have you watched the film? Because it does actually provide you with quite a lot of information. It may not all be "historical truth" but most of it is.

Sure, anyone can write on wiki. But most of the people who put the information on wikipedia don't do it for kicks. They do it so they can share the information they know with the rest of the world.

Do you have any other sites that provide a good range of information on the Holocaust? Send them to me, I'll include them (:

sueno?:

By the way I've heard that wiki is also a really reliable source of information.

An easy way to check if a wiki article is reliable or not is to look at the footnotes for the article. If the sources are credible and accurate, the article probably is too. Everyone is always like " WIKI SUCKS!!!!1" when in all honesty it is usually is a very reliable resource if you verify the sources.

I despise Wiki simply because it's the lazy way of researching.

Anyway, back to topic. I took a film class on this and watched several films based on the Holocaust. Including the propaganda films used by the Germans. Every film had a flaw, specially those like Schindler's List or Life is Beautiful. The problem with these films is viewers want a hero. They want a happy ending. So, that's what the director gives them. All the films based on the Holocaust are truly astounding. I'd personally recommend The Pianist over any other film. Shoah, is another good film if you're into 8 hour long documentary style films.

People always say that. They're "movies". Yeah, they're movies. But a book is a "book". There's a popular saying, the winner always writes the history. So, even reading what's in a history book, you're getting the winner's side. You don't hear the other point of view - just the bad stuff. Don't get me wrong, what Hitler and the Nazis did was in no way justifiable but saying a movie is a "movie" isn't really fair. A lot of people didn't know the Holocaust was happening when it was happening. Movies like Schindler's List get people interested in the topic and curious as to what happened. Yeah, they're movies but they spark something else. Without these movies, I doubt half the population would have even bothered to research more in depth as to what happened during the Holocaust. Besides, sometimes pictures do more than words. Some people actually have to SEE what is/was happening in order for them to have a better understanding of what happened. Or how cruel it actually was. It's one thing to read it on a piece of paper but to see it is a whole other thing.

What I find sick is Nazis trying to cover up and say the Holocaust never happened. Yeah, because 6 million plus people just magically disappear.

I feel sorry for the mordern day Germans. A lot of them are lovely people (they probably have the usually yob and rude people too). My sister went there for an exchange school trip and they were taken to a consentration camp with the German's that they were with; the German's looked really guilty. Which was a shame because when they were over here they were all lovely people.

I hate all the crude stereotypes for Germans they people cruelly think is funny. I (seriously) adore the German language and mostly all the German people, but some people are so narrow-minded that if anyone mentions Germans, Hitler and the Nazi's have to come up. The Holocaust was a horrific event, but I'm glad that it is remembered throughout History.

Fentoozler:

Without these movies, I doubt half the population would have even bothered to research more in depth as to what happened during the Holocaust.

Thank you.

I have German cousins and I visit Germany constantly. It upsets me when people blame the German's nowdays ... sure a few of them will have played a part in the terrors of WWII and there are still quite a few neo-nazi's around (both in and out of Germany) but the majority of Germany are ashamed that The Holocaust is part of their countries history and I think they always will be simply because it's such a scar on a country like that and Germany will always be judged because of it.

It astounds me though, that some people today believe that The Holocaust was right. It's just sick. But anti-semitism was happening for thousands of years before the Nazi's, before World War II and Poland itself used to be a very anti-semetic country. I really don't see how it works that people can see one race as to blame ...

When I think of the Holocaust, my heart turns black with sadness. Its almost impossible to comprehend the cruelty they suffered. The sadness they felt when they felt their family ripped from their arms. When I think of the Holocaust, I think about the evil that they suffered. And for what? One man's dream? One demon's dream? The Holocaust was the most horrendous act of murder in the written history. And it's hard for us to think about the cruel nature that some humans possess.

This reminds me of a story. I was talking to my friends once, and they had one of their friends with us hanging out- he is Jewish. We were talking about places we wanted to travel and he had said Isreal, and the middle east, and England and France etc. ANd I had mentioned Germany and he says:

"I would never want to go there."
So I respond with: "Aw, how come?"
and he gave this really like mean look, as if I was stupid, and then it clicked. He wouldn't want to go because of the Holocaust.

Now, though I could see his reasoning, I don't think it is far to shun the country. Germany is beautiful from what I hear, and has a lot of history- more than just the Holocaust. And though what happened there was probably one of the most vile displays of human cruelity, I don't think it is entirely right to befault the entire country- especially since plenty of Germans risked their lives to save Jews.

And yes, there are people who deny the holocaust. Modern Day skin heads, and Neo-Nazi's mostly. I even saw a show where these girls had the audacity to say "I doubt six million jews even existed." It is ridiculous. Especially since there is video taped evidence of the holocaust. I believe, a British solider filmed them storming into a Concentration Camp- my teacher tried showing it to us but I believe she wasn't allowed to because it was that horrible.

^ That's silly to condemn a country for what a political party did. That's actually what I hate most is that when people say "I hate Germans for the Holocaust" I've actually blown up in class a few times because it was the Nazi party. And Nazi's weren't just German either. Many were from other countries that were taken over before the war. I've actually had people call me a Nazi after I've told them I was part German. It's fucking ridiculous.
Also wouldn't he like not want to go to a ton of other European countries because their were death camps spread all through out Europe? His reasoning seems kind of silly to me. >_>

If I remember correctly one year for Veterans Day a man who used to be in the Nazi army came in and talked to us and he actually denied the Holocaust. I had a look on my face the whole time like "". But it's nice to hear both sides of history.